(06-11-2013 10:33 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 10:06 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 09:35 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  

Quote:Ken Hoffman, chairman and executive director of the Little Caesars Bowl, told ESPN he has been in contact with officials from [AAC, MWC, CUSA, Sun Belt] conferences about starting future bowl games in Ireland, Dubai and either Toronto or Nassau.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...es-sources

No, No, No & eh...

no way, Dubai, heck MAC loses money on going to bowls in the country let alone half way around the world

If there was some way to break totally even then I would be for it. That would be a cool recruiting tool for our conference. Play a bowl game half way around the world or in a tropical paradise.

(06-11-2013 11:09 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  If there was some way to break totally even then I would be for it. That would be a cool recruiting tool for our conference. Play a bowl game half way around the world or in a tropical paradise.

You made a good point on another thread and I think I may have made it elsewhere as well, but it may be time to stop playing them in the OOC.

Maybe not the top teams who would be bowl eligible anyway or the bottom teams who won't be bowl eligible anyway, but it is DEFINITELY time to stop playing the middle "bowl bubble" type of teams.

Try to shut us out of bowls all you want but if you're crappy middle teams all go 5-7, we'll end up in those bowl anyway. Of course all they would do is change the bowl requirements so that their 5-7 and 4-8 teams could get in. I'd love to see it come to that. Imagine the ridicule.

(06-11-2013 10:33 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 10:06 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 09:35 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  

Quote:Ken Hoffman, chairman and executive director of the Little Caesars Bowl, told ESPN he has been in contact with officials from [AAC, MWC, CUSA, Sun Belt] conferences about starting future bowl games in Ireland, Dubai and either Toronto or Nassau.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...es-sources

No, No, No & eh...

no way, Dubai, heck MAC loses money on going to bowls in the country let alone half way around the world

Maybe those countries and sponsors are willing to pay big bucks to get American football over there. Everyone already understands it would cost schools a fortune to do it so there may be some stipulations as to payouts so that schools don't end up in the hole.

Time to throw this out again. Still think it's the best possible outcome for the MAC Champ Bowl.

(06-09-2013 09:48 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  My proposal would be that the MAC, AAC, Liberty Bowl, and St. Louis Bowl work together to get the MAC #1 to St. Louis and the AAC #1 to the Liberty every year with the two bowls sharing a "Big 12 #6/SEC #8" tie-in. When the St. Louis Bowl gets the Big 12, the SEC goes to the Liberty Bowl and vice versa.

This way the MAC and the AAC could get a "contract conference" opponent for its Champion/#1. The Big 12 and SEC get local, drivable bowls for their lower bowl eligible teams that would ensure a quality opponent.

The Big 12 will still have its "solid" slot, it would just be split between Memphis and St. Louis, which is better to avoid "bowl fatigue" by providing variety. The Big 12 will not be "sacrificing" anything and gets the perk of varying locations for its fans to visit.

A lot would have to happen for this to be realized, but I think it would be a Win-Win-Win-Win for all parties.

Most years, the MAC would be looking at its Champion playing one of Missouri, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, or Oklahoma State in St. Louis.

Sounds like a winner to me.

(06-11-2013 11:28 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  Time to throw this out again. Still think it's the best possible outcome for the MAC Champ Bowl.

(06-09-2013 09:48 PM)TARDledo Wrote:  My proposal would be that the MAC, AAC, Liberty Bowl, and St. Louis Bowl work together to get the MAC #1 to St. Louis and the AAC #1 to the Liberty every year with the two bowls sharing a "Big 12 #6/SEC #8" tie-in. When the St. Louis Bowl gets the Big 12, the SEC goes to the Liberty Bowl and vice versa.

This way the MAC and the AAC could get a "contract conference" opponent for its Champion/#1. The Big 12 and SEC get local, drivable bowls for their lower bowl eligible teams that would ensure a quality opponent.

The Big 12 will still have its "solid" slot, it would just be split between Memphis and St. Louis, which is better to avoid "bowl fatigue" by providing variety. The Big 12 will not be "sacrificing" anything and gets the perk of varying locations for its fans to visit.

A lot would have to happen for this to be realized, but I think it would be a Win-Win-Win-Win for all parties.

Most years, the MAC would be looking at its Champion playing one of Missouri, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, or Oklahoma State in St. Louis.

Sounds like a winner to me.

Yeah but college sports aren't about putting out a good product and growing from there, they're about scratching and clawing to gain some perceived advantage over other institutions. (See the MAC Hockey thread discussion).

(06-11-2013 11:15 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 11:09 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  If there was some way to break totally even then I would be for it. That would be a cool recruiting tool for our conference. Play a bowl game half way around the world or in a tropical paradise.

You made a good point on another thread and I think I may have made it elsewhere as well, but it may be time to stop playing them in the OOC.

Maybe not the top teams who would be bowl eligible anyway or the bottom teams who won't be bowl eligible anyway, but it is DEFINITELY time to stop playing the middle "bowl bubble" type of teams.

Try to shut us out of bowls all you want but if you're crappy middle teams all go 5-7, we'll end up in those bowl anyway. Of course all they would do is change the bowl requirements so that their 5-7 and 4-8 teams could get in. I'd love to see it come to that. Imagine the ridicule.

how do we fund our programs then, even with mid tier type of teams we generate what 5-700k? If we play only AAC, CUSA, Sunbelt, our money games will be gone and our AD's will be losing significant cash

(06-11-2013 12:07 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 11:15 AM)TARDledo Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 11:09 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  If there was some way to break totally even then I would be for it. That would be a cool recruiting tool for our conference. Play a bowl game half way around the world or in a tropical paradise.

You made a good point on another thread and I think I may have made it elsewhere as well, but it may be time to stop playing them in the OOC.

Maybe not the top teams who would be bowl eligible anyway or the bottom teams who won't be bowl eligible anyway, but it is DEFINITELY time to stop playing the middle "bowl bubble" type of teams.

Try to shut us out of bowls all you want but if you're crappy middle teams all go 5-7, we'll end up in those bowl anyway. Of course all they would do is change the bowl requirements so that their 5-7 and 4-8 teams could get in. I'd love to see it come to that. Imagine the ridicule.

how do we fund our programs then, even with mid tier type of teams we generate what 5-700k? If we play only AAC, CUSA, Sunbelt, our money games will be gone and our AD's will be losing significant cash

Not playing bad AQs without a 1-1 agreement would be a start.

I am not saying that we should stop playing the big paycheck games...the B1G (more specifically OSU) wants the conference to stop playing us.

(06-11-2013 11:09 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  If there was some way to break totally even then I would be for it.

That's the key: an honest payout, with a certain number of tickets pre-reserved for fans up to a cut-off date with the school getting a piece of that action, but all unsold tickets released back to the market rather than the school being on the hook for them.

The Bahamas are easier to get to than the Hawaii bowl. Heck, a cruise from Miami to the Bahamas can be around $200.

(06-11-2013 12:55 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 11:09 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  If there was some way to break totally even then I would be for it.

That's the key: an honest payout, with a certain number of tickets pre-reserved for fans up to a cut-off date with the school getting a piece of that action, but all unsold tickets released back to the market rather than the school being on the hook for them.

The Bahamas are easier to get to than the Hawaii bowl. Heck, a cruise from Miami to the Bahamas can be around $200.

No, 0 ticket requirement. That is how it is for all MAC bowls now and that is how it should be for a bowl out of the country.

I'd like the MAC tie-in to be in Ireland. I think it would be good for recruiting and would draw a good crowd from locals. Notre Dame and Navy sold out the game easily and locals who dont follow football dont know the difference or care between Michigan State and Western Michigan. Wikipedia says that ND and Navy sold 30,000 tickets to Americans which where we would only sell like 3,000, BUT it also says that the remaining tickets of 15,000 were sold out in 2 days to the locals to watch the game. The stadium only holds 45-50,000 and the Americans got first chance to buy their tickets as a priority, but it sounds like the locals would have easily bought more tickets than 15,000 if they could have. If this bowl could get 40,000+ attendance and have a travel stipend paid by the bowl sponsors along with the payout, I think it would be a home run for the MAC.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Isle_Classic

Im also wondering if the bowl destinations will rotate among those international sites so that one bowl cycles through ireland, bahamas, toronto etc... The Vacation Bowl sponsored by American Airlines or something.

Ireland, Dubai and either Toronto or Nassau. I like it.

Dubai might be a stretch but Puerto Rico may be a better fit. Honestly, this is a great idea. A destination bowl over the holidays is the best option. I would be more inclined to travel to any of the above over Little Rock for a bowl game. That sounded awful. I hope this pans out. Outside of Indy or St. Louis the MAC should be angling for bowls in and around Florida or to one of the above. Also sounds like Hoffman is trying his hardest to not end up in Little Rock. Which I really hope plays out. Little Rock bowl, no thanks...

Some *ass sitting next to Mark May on ESPN just now was discussing the new bowl games for the GO5, and said "yeah, I'm sure the MAC and Sun Belt will travel really well to Dubai, ha ha.".

I'm sure Indiana and Wake forest would travel amazingly, such a joke that we are getting the shaft from everyone to make a few people/organizations a little richer than they already are.

(06-11-2013 03:00 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Some *ass sitting next to Mark May on ESPN just now was discussing the new bowl games for the GO5, and said "yeah, I'm sure the MAC and Sun Belt will travel really well to Dubai, ha ha.".

I'm sure Indiana and Wake forest would travel amazingly, such a joke that we are getting the shaft from everyone to make a few people/organizations a little richer than they already are.

God I hate E$PN. Bunch of a**holes. Part of any separation there is between P5 and G5 is due to those morons.

(06-11-2013 03:02 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 03:00 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Some *ass sitting next to Mark May on ESPN just now was discussing the new bowl games for the GO5, and said "yeah, I'm sure the MAC and Sun Belt will travel really well to Dubai, ha ha.".

I'm sure Indiana and Wake forest would travel amazingly, such a joke that we are getting the shaft from everyone to make a few people/organizations a little richer than they already are.

God I hate E$PN. Bunch of a**holes. Part of any separation there is between P5 and G5 is due to those morons.

I swear, nothing pisses me off more than when some wankers come on and start slamming the MAC and Sun Belt. Spread the wealth evenly, allow us to make upgrades, then ridicule us if we fail but to openly slam us in such an unjust system

(06-11-2013 03:00 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Some *ass sitting next to Mark May on ESPN just now was discussing the new bowl games for the GO5, and said "yeah, I'm sure the MAC and Sun Belt will travel really well to Dubai, ha ha.".

I'm sure Indiana and Wake forest would travel amazingly, such a joke that we are getting the shaft from everyone to make a few people/organizations a little richer than they already are.

Thats the comment you would expect to hear. Honestly though, having a bowl outside of US could have legs on its own just by getting the community it is established in to buy in. When you are talking about doing two or three bowls in Orlando and how many more in Florida, there has to be some fatigue among casual local fans that won't attend all game. This puts more reliance on fans to travel. Having a bowl be the "only event in town" might carry some weight and surprise in attendance with strong local support.

And I would also think from the MAC's perspective, any bowl game it is in outside of the Midwest, whether it be Boise or Nassau, would probably draw the same amount of fans from the school in the game. Outside of relatively local games, MAC fans just haven't shown an interest in travelling in mass so setting up in a more remote locale might be a good buffer to that by drawing on the local community to buoy the game.

I predict the Ireland Bowl will be a home run for the MAC, and then the Big Ten will drop their Detroit Bowl and steal our new Ireland Bowl!!

(06-11-2013 03:08 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I predict the Ireland Bowl will be a home run for the MAC, and then the Big Ten will drop their Detroit Bowl and steal our new Ireland Bowl!!

HA! I had the same thought. I'm not sure it would work, BUT if it did the "follow the leaders (MAC)" Big Ten will be right there to push the MAC aside and steal their bid.

The Big Ten is so ******* banal.

(06-11-2013 03:04 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 03:02 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-11-2013 03:00 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Some *ass sitting next to Mark May on ESPN just now was discussing the new bowl games for the GO5, and said "yeah, I'm sure the MAC and Sun Belt will travel really well to Dubai, ha ha.".

I'm sure Indiana and Wake forest would travel amazingly, such a joke that we are getting the shaft from everyone to make a few people/organizations a little richer than they already are.

God I hate E$PN. Bunch of a**holes. Part of any separation there is between P5 and G5 is due to those morons.

I swear, nothing pisses me off more than when some wankers come on and start slamming the MAC and Sun Belt. Spread the wealth evenly, allow us to make upgrades, then ridicule us if we fail but to openly slam us in such an unjust system

The P5 is like the Grinch. They take every last crumb. Up to now we've been like the Who's in Whoville singing despite the fact that we have almost nothing left.

Maybe as I said above separating might be good for us and a mistake for the AQ d*uchebags. It can;t get any worse than the current "maybe they'll play nice at some point" system. As long as the new division names sound equal, we can't do any worse. We could have a 16 team playoff and sell the rights to NBC while the lazy AQ sucks at the ESPN teets.

An AL/NL kind of a thing as with ML baseball. AFBS and NFBS.

(06-11-2013 04:06 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Maybe as I said above separating might be good for us and a mistake for the AQ d*uchebags. It can;t get any worse than the current "maybe they'll play nice at some point" system. As long as the new division names sound equal, we can't do any worse. We could have a 16 team playoff and sell the rights to NBC while the lazy AQ sucks at the ESPN teets.

A new FCS dvision that included the MWC, MAC, AAC, CUSA, SBC from FBS along with Big Sky, Colonial, Missouri Valley, OVC, Southland might be able to secure a decent playoff contract.

Let the P5 leave the NCAA while the remaining schools keep March Madness and have a 16 team playoff.