(03-21-2013 10:16 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 09:26 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 09:21 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 09:14 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 07:02 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  In the past the Sun Belt could very well be used as an excuse for any woes your program has suffered. However, I think that stigma is disapearing quickly. All we have to do is keep winning fellas, that's it. Winning cures all ills.

I'm not sure what media you are reading or who you talk to Burn, but the stigma has gotten worse once is was announced which programs where being considered for replacements for MT and FAU. Our brand hit its peak this past season with 4 bowl teams and now the Sun Belt is rebranding and rebuilding. No one possibly could think the stigma is diapearing now that we are taking a step backwards for a few years.

stAte, UL, WKU, ULM. None of those peaking bowl teams have left yet.

Yes, and you are replacing programs that have all played in bowl games at the FBS level with FCS transition teams. That is the other part of the picture that you conveniently left out.

And I've pointed out that WKU, FAU, FIU all had the same things said and ODU, Charlotte are in the same boat. You conveniently leave that out of your picture.

People act as if reputations and perceptions in college football are static. They can be highly non-static.

If we come back in 5 years Texas State may have a greater reputation than UNT. Very possible. UTSA may be tearing it up. USM may still be down and Ole Miss may be SEC Champs. App State may be going to a bowl while FAU/FIU are in the Bottom 10.

Today's FCS status means nothing. Nothing. CUSA's prior rep is being completely reset starting this fall.

Well Tx State already has as much status as N Tx IMO. N Tx had a fast start and has completely let is fall apart.

(03-21-2013 10:48 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:43 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Bingo, now just replace Elon, Furmon and Wofford with Ga Southern, GSU, and App State.

Now you see where the Cajuns are coming from.

The difference b/w App and any SB school are far smaller than the difference b/w App and Wofford.

Add 22 FB scholarships and App looks just like any other FBS school, take away 22 from yours, and yours would look just like a top 10 FCS school, even in attendance.

Add 22 schollies to Wofford, they'll look like an FCS school with 22 scholarships and 7,000 attendance.

Smoke that.

That is only because you are emotionally attached to APP St. We have absolutely zero history with any program that has been mentioned to join the Sun Belt aside from NMSU.

We as a collective fan base want to e associated with La Tech, USM, UAB, stAte, and Rice. That is meant as no disrespect towards App St. but we just don't have much interest in your program. If it makes you feel any better 99% of Cajun fans are not against App State, but 99% are 100% against Ga Southern.

(03-21-2013 05:33 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 12:29 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Cajun, the one thing I am confused about, do you feel that your school's success athletically is directly tied to the conference you play in? You seen so convinced that you must get out of the Sun Belt immediately, it makes me want to ask, do you have boosters who wont donate if you stay in the SBC or something?

ASU has unveiled much of the same master plan that you guys have in recent months, but ours has no direct connection to what league we play in. We're getting an indoor practice field and new football building in a couple years regardless of what patch we wear on our sleeve. Our boosters will donate the same amount regardless of where we play, our fan support will be the same regardless of whether we not we play in the SBC, MAC, or CUSA.

Thats why we're so calm. We're going to grow regardless whether or not CUSA likes our media market.

Look man, stAte is in a unique position. You guys are the only other FBS program in your state so you have a recruiting advantage in Arkansas. So being in the Sun Belt does not hurt you like it does the Cajuns. We are competing against 3 other FBS schools within Louisiana that are going after the same athletes that we are. Two of them negatively recruit against the Cajuns daily, the other gets who they want. It is a huge deal to the Cajuns to get out of the Sun Belt.

I can appreciate some of that, but we do compete against an SEC school that recruits negatively against us almost daily. The thing is, that school is going to recruit negatively against us regardless of what league we are in. We are going to be seen as beneath a lot of people's attention whether we play in the SBC, CUSA, or MAC. We still must recruit daily against teams like Tech, Memphis, and Tulsa instate, and any one of those can use the conference line. It just doesnt work on Arkansas recruits because they see CUSA as nothing too.

If Boosters at ASU threatened to withhold money because of the conference we played in, they would most likely get covered with nasty emails and comments from our own fans because of it.

People in Arkansas dont identify with CUSA as being anything more than a mid major league like the SBC. I fully believe our donations would only increase if we moved up to an AQ league.

(03-21-2013 11:00 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 05:33 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 12:29 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Cajun, the one thing I am confused about, do you feel that your school's success athletically is directly tied to the conference you play in? You seen so convinced that you must get out of the Sun Belt immediately, it makes me want to ask, do you have boosters who wont donate if you stay in the SBC or something?

ASU has unveiled much of the same master plan that you guys have in recent months, but ours has no direct connection to what league we play in. We're getting an indoor practice field and new football building in a couple years regardless of what patch we wear on our sleeve. Our boosters will donate the same amount regardless of where we play, our fan support will be the same regardless of whether we not we play in the SBC, MAC, or CUSA.

Thats why we're so calm. We're going to grow regardless whether or not CUSA likes our media market.

Look man, stAte is in a unique position. You guys are the only other FBS program in your state so you have a recruiting advantage in Arkansas. So being in the Sun Belt does not hurt you like it does the Cajuns. We are competing against 3 other FBS schools within Louisiana that are going after the same athletes that we are. Two of them negatively recruit against the Cajuns daily, the other gets who they want. It is a huge deal to the Cajuns to get out of the Sun Belt.

I can appreciate some of that, but we do compete against an SEC school that recruits negatively against us almost daily. The thing is, that school is going to recruit negatively against us regardless of what league we are in. We are going to be seen as beneath a lot of people's attention whether we play in the SBC, CUSA, or MAC. We still must recruit daily against teams like Tech, Memphis, and Tulsa instate, and any one of those can use the conference line. It just doesnt work on Arkansas recruits because they see CUSA as nothing too.

If Boosters at ASU threatened to withhold money because of the conference we played in, they would most likely get covered with nasty emails and comments from our own fans because of it.

People in Arkansas dont identify with CUSA as being anything more than a mid major league like the SBC. I fully believe our donations would only increase if we moved up to an AQ league.

I understand the points that you are trying to make, but again you don't have three other mid major programs within your borders. La Tech and Tulane have been killing us with the negative recruiting.

You guys just have to out recruit Memphis who sucks and is a basketball school. UCA who is FCS, there is no comparison.

(03-21-2013 10:54 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  We as a collective fan base want to e associated with La Tech, USM, UAB, stAte, and Rice. That is meant as no disrespect towards App St. but we just don't have much interest in your program. If it makes you feel any better 99% of Cajun fans are not against App State, but 99% are 100% against Ga Southern.

The Sun Belt, as it sits today, must do something. All they can do is pick the best options.

(03-21-2013 11:04 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  I understand the points that you are trying to make, but again you don't have three other mid major programs within your borders. La Tech and Tulane have been killing us with the negative recruiting.

I think you are doing pretty darn well in comparison to those...I'd rather be you than either of those...and conference doesn't seem to be stopping you.

(03-21-2013 11:04 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:00 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 05:33 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 12:29 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Cajun, the one thing I am confused about, do you feel that your school's success athletically is directly tied to the conference you play in? You seen so convinced that you must get out of the Sun Belt immediately, it makes me want to ask, do you have boosters who wont donate if you stay in the SBC or something?

ASU has unveiled much of the same master plan that you guys have in recent months, but ours has no direct connection to what league we play in. We're getting an indoor practice field and new football building in a couple years regardless of what patch we wear on our sleeve. Our boosters will donate the same amount regardless of where we play, our fan support will be the same regardless of whether we not we play in the SBC, MAC, or CUSA.

Thats why we're so calm. We're going to grow regardless whether or not CUSA likes our media market.

Look man, stAte is in a unique position. You guys are the only other FBS program in your state so you have a recruiting advantage in Arkansas. So being in the Sun Belt does not hurt you like it does the Cajuns. We are competing against 3 other FBS schools within Louisiana that are going after the same athletes that we are. Two of them negatively recruit against the Cajuns daily, the other gets who they want. It is a huge deal to the Cajuns to get out of the Sun Belt.

I can appreciate some of that, but we do compete against an SEC school that recruits negatively against us almost daily. The thing is, that school is going to recruit negatively against us regardless of what league we are in. We are going to be seen as beneath a lot of people's attention whether we play in the SBC, CUSA, or MAC. We still must recruit daily against teams like Tech, Memphis, and Tulsa instate, and any one of those can use the conference line. It just doesnt work on Arkansas recruits because they see CUSA as nothing too.

If Boosters at ASU threatened to withhold money because of the conference we played in, they would most likely get covered with nasty emails and comments from our own fans because of it.

People in Arkansas dont identify with CUSA as being anything more than a mid major league like the SBC. I fully believe our donations would only increase if we moved up to an AQ league.

I understand the points that you are trying to make, but again you don't have three other mid major programs within your borders. La Tech and Tulane have been killing us with the negative recruiting.

You guys just have to out recruit Memphis who sucks and is a basketball school. UCA who is FCS, there is no comparison.

We recruit against La Neck pretty heavily, also go against Tulsa quite a bit. Only times we recruit against UCA are for fringe prospects that we might offer a last minute scholly too.

The truth is that in Arkansas, Appalachian State has more identity in this state than UNT, FIU, FAU, UTSA, Charlotte, and Old Dominion do combined. Why? Because App State made national news a few years ago beating Michigan. None of the other schools have ever done that.

I can guarantee you that when ULL heads to Fayetville for football next season, a good portion of the fans there will think you are a lower level program than ULM.

(03-21-2013 11:10 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:54 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  We as a collective fan base want to e associated with La Tech, USM, UAB, stAte, and Rice. That is meant as no disrespect towards App St. but we just don't have much interest in your program. If it makes you feel any better 99% of Cajun fans are not against App State, but 99% are 100% against Ga Southern.

The Sun Belt, as it sits today, must do something. All they can do is pick the best options.

And we are making the right decision too if we add App and Ga Southern. For many of our schools you guys will bring more of an identity than any of the schools that just left except for MTSU.

(03-21-2013 11:10 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:54 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  We as a collective fan base want to e associated with La Tech, USM, UAB, stAte, and Rice. That is meant as no disrespect towards App St. but we just don't have much interest in your program. If it makes you feel any better 99% of Cajun fans are not against App State, but 99% are 100% against Ga Southern.

The Sun Belt, as it sits today, must do something. All they can do is pick the best options.

That is something most rational people can agree on.

(03-21-2013 10:54 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:48 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:43 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Bingo, now just replace Elon, Furmon and Wofford with Ga Southern, GSU, and App State.

Now you see where the Cajuns are coming from.

The difference b/w App and any SB school are far smaller than the difference b/w App and Wofford.

Add 22 FB scholarships and App looks just like any other FBS school, take away 22 from yours, and yours would look just like a top 10 FCS school, even in attendance.

Add 22 schollies to Wofford, they'll look like an FCS school with 22 scholarships and 7,000 attendance.

Smoke that.

That is only because you are emotionally attached to APP St. We have absolutely zero history with any program that has been mentioned to join the Sun Belt aside from NMSU.

We as a collective fan base want to e associated with La Tech, USM, UAB, stAte, and Rice. That is meant as no disrespect towards App St. but we just don't have much interest in your program. If it makes you feel any better 99% of Cajun fans are not against App State, but 99% are 100% against Ga Southern.

Interesting statement, we will see if it holds any water very soon :)

(03-21-2013 11:15 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:04 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:00 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 05:33 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 12:29 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Cajun, the one thing I am confused about, do you feel that your school's success athletically is directly tied to the conference you play in? You seen so convinced that you must get out of the Sun Belt immediately, it makes me want to ask, do you have boosters who wont donate if you stay in the SBC or something?

ASU has unveiled much of the same master plan that you guys have in recent months, but ours has no direct connection to what league we play in. We're getting an indoor practice field and new football building in a couple years regardless of what patch we wear on our sleeve. Our boosters will donate the same amount regardless of where we play, our fan support will be the same regardless of whether we not we play in the SBC, MAC, or CUSA.

Thats why we're so calm. We're going to grow regardless whether or not CUSA likes our media market.

Look man, stAte is in a unique position. You guys are the only other FBS program in your state so you have a recruiting advantage in Arkansas. So being in the Sun Belt does not hurt you like it does the Cajuns. We are competing against 3 other FBS schools within Louisiana that are going after the same athletes that we are. Two of them negatively recruit against the Cajuns daily, the other gets who they want. It is a huge deal to the Cajuns to get out of the Sun Belt.

I can appreciate some of that, but we do compete against an SEC school that recruits negatively against us almost daily. The thing is, that school is going to recruit negatively against us regardless of what league we are in. We are going to be seen as beneath a lot of people's attention whether we play in the SBC, CUSA, or MAC. We still must recruit daily against teams like Tech, Memphis, and Tulsa instate, and any one of those can use the conference line. It just doesnt work on Arkansas recruits because they see CUSA as nothing too.

If Boosters at ASU threatened to withhold money because of the conference we played in, they would most likely get covered with nasty emails and comments from our own fans because of it.

People in Arkansas dont identify with CUSA as being anything more than a mid major league like the SBC. I fully believe our donations would only increase if we moved up to an AQ league.

I understand the points that you are trying to make, but again you don't have three other mid major programs within your borders. La Tech and Tulane have been killing us with the negative recruiting.

You guys just have to out recruit Memphis who sucks and is a basketball school. UCA who is FCS, there is no comparison.

We recruit against La Neck pretty heavily, also go against Tulsa quite a bit. Only times we recruit against UCA are for fringe prospects that we might offer a last minute scholly too.

The truth is that in Arkansas, Appalachian State has more identity in this state than UNT, FIU, FAU, UTSA, Charlotte, and Old Dominion do combined. Why? Because App State made national news a few years ago beating Michigan. None of the other schools have ever done that.

I can guarantee you that when ULL heads to Fayetville for football next season, a good portion of the fans there will think you are a lower level program than ULM.

I can guarantee you're wrong. We're not going up there to play a home game. You're comfortable in the SBC, most of us Cajun fans are not - as it stands. You're not going to alter our views and outlook with your calm and rational posts.

(03-21-2013 10:54 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:48 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:43 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Bingo, now just replace Elon, Furmon and Wofford with Ga Southern, GSU, and App State.

Now you see where the Cajuns are coming from.

The difference b/w App and any SB school are far smaller than the difference b/w App and Wofford.

Add 22 FB scholarships and App looks just like any other FBS school, take away 22 from yours, and yours would look just like a top 10 FCS school, even in attendance.

Add 22 schollies to Wofford, they'll look like an FCS school with 22 scholarships and 7,000 attendance.

Smoke that.

That is only because you are emotionally attached to APP St. We have absolutely zero history with any program that has been mentioned to join the Sun Belt aside from NMSU.

We as a collective fan base want to e associated with La Tech, USM, UAB, stAte, and Rice. That is meant as no disrespect towards App St. but we just don't have much interest in your program. If it makes you feel any better 99% of Cajun fans are not against App State, but 99% are 100% against Ga Southern.

What is the difference between App and Southern among your fanbase? I'm honestly curious.

(03-21-2013 11:21 AM)Klak Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:54 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:48 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:43 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Bingo, now just replace Elon, Furmon and Wofford with Ga Southern, GSU, and App State.

Now you see where the Cajuns are coming from.

The difference b/w App and any SB school are far smaller than the difference b/w App and Wofford.

Add 22 FB scholarships and App looks just like any other FBS school, take away 22 from yours, and yours would look just like a top 10 FCS school, even in attendance.

Add 22 schollies to Wofford, they'll look like an FCS school with 22 scholarships and 7,000 attendance.

Smoke that.

That is only because you are emotionally attached to APP St. We have absolutely zero history with any program that has been mentioned to join the Sun Belt aside from NMSU.

We as a collective fan base want to e associated with La Tech, USM, UAB, stAte, and Rice. That is meant as no disrespect towards App St. but we just don't have much interest in your program. If it makes you feel any better 99% of Cajun fans are not against App State, but 99% are 100% against Ga Southern.

What is the difference between App and Southern among your fanbase? I'm honestly curious.

Ga Southern is the most arrogant fan base we have dealt with. More so than Liberty, La Tech and LSU. Most App St fans have been respectful and understand that it will be a process of transitioning. Ga Southern fans feel as though y'all will be the leader o the Sun Belt from day 1. You guys will be lucky to replicate the success of WKU, FIU and FAU.

(03-21-2013 11:21 AM)Complacent Cajun Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:15 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:04 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:00 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 05:33 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Look man, stAte is in a unique position. You guys are the only other FBS program in your state so you have a recruiting advantage in Arkansas. So being in the Sun Belt does not hurt you like it does the Cajuns. We are competing against 3 other FBS schools within Louisiana that are going after the same athletes that we are. Two of them negatively recruit against the Cajuns daily, the other gets who they want. It is a huge deal to the Cajuns to get out of the Sun Belt.

I can appreciate some of that, but we do compete against an SEC school that recruits negatively against us almost daily. The thing is, that school is going to recruit negatively against us regardless of what league we are in. We are going to be seen as beneath a lot of people's attention whether we play in the SBC, CUSA, or MAC. We still must recruit daily against teams like Tech, Memphis, and Tulsa instate, and any one of those can use the conference line. It just doesnt work on Arkansas recruits because they see CUSA as nothing too.

If Boosters at ASU threatened to withhold money because of the conference we played in, they would most likely get covered with nasty emails and comments from our own fans because of it.

People in Arkansas dont identify with CUSA as being anything more than a mid major league like the SBC. I fully believe our donations would only increase if we moved up to an AQ league.

I understand the points that you are trying to make, but again you don't have three other mid major programs within your borders. La Tech and Tulane have been killing us with the negative recruiting.

You guys just have to out recruit Memphis who sucks and is a basketball school. UCA who is FCS, there is no comparison.

We recruit against La Neck pretty heavily, also go against Tulsa quite a bit. Only times we recruit against UCA are for fringe prospects that we might offer a last minute scholly too.

The truth is that in Arkansas, Appalachian State has more identity in this state than UNT, FIU, FAU, UTSA, Charlotte, and Old Dominion do combined. Why? Because App State made national news a few years ago beating Michigan. None of the other schools have ever done that.

I can guarantee you that when ULL heads to Fayetville for football next season, a good portion of the fans there will think you are a lower level program than ULM.

I can guarantee you're wrong.

He's not wrong. The average Arkansas fan really will view you as less than ULM when you play.

(03-21-2013 11:17 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  And we are making the right decision too if we add App and Ga Southern. For many of our schools you guys will bring more of an identity than any of the schools that just left except for MTSU.

I think so. The SB is a football conference, I dont see their perception falling from the addition of 2 schools known to play good football.

When people hear App, they think football, and a major victory. When they hear NMSU, they think they've gone too far south on I-25 and should have gone west at Truth or Consequences toward Tuscon.

(03-21-2013 11:23 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:21 AM)Klak Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:54 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:48 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:43 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Bingo, now just replace Elon, Furmon and Wofford with Ga Southern, GSU, and App State.

Now you see where the Cajuns are coming from.

The difference b/w App and any SB school are far smaller than the difference b/w App and Wofford.

Add 22 FB scholarships and App looks just like any other FBS school, take away 22 from yours, and yours would look just like a top 10 FCS school, even in attendance.

Add 22 schollies to Wofford, they'll look like an FCS school with 22 scholarships and 7,000 attendance.

Smoke that.

That is only because you are emotionally attached to APP St. We have absolutely zero history with any program that has been mentioned to join the Sun Belt aside from NMSU.

We as a collective fan base want to e associated with La Tech, USM, UAB, stAte, and Rice. That is meant as no disrespect towards App St. but we just don't have much interest in your program. If it makes you feel any better 99% of Cajun fans are not against App State, but 99% are 100% against Ga Southern.

What is the difference between App and Southern among your fanbase? I'm honestly curious.

Ga Southern is the most arrogant fan base we have dealt with. More so than Liberty, La Tech and LSU. Most App St fans have been respectful and understand that it will be a process of transitioning. Ga Southern fans feel as though y'all will be the leader o the Sun Belt from day 1. You guys will be lucky to replicate the success of WKU, FIU and FAU.

YAY anecdotal evidence! If you're basing your opinion of a university athletic department on a few message board posters, you're gonna have a bad time.

(03-21-2013 11:21 AM)Complacent Cajun Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:15 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:04 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:00 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 05:33 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Look man, stAte is in a unique position. You guys are the only other FBS program in your state so you have a recruiting advantage in Arkansas. So being in the Sun Belt does not hurt you like it does the Cajuns. We are competing against 3 other FBS schools within Louisiana that are going after the same athletes that we are. Two of them negatively recruit against the Cajuns daily, the other gets who they want. It is a huge deal to the Cajuns to get out of the Sun Belt.

I can appreciate some of that, but we do compete against an SEC school that recruits negatively against us almost daily. The thing is, that school is going to recruit negatively against us regardless of what league we are in. We are going to be seen as beneath a lot of people's attention whether we play in the SBC, CUSA, or MAC. We still must recruit daily against teams like Tech, Memphis, and Tulsa instate, and any one of those can use the conference line. It just doesnt work on Arkansas recruits because they see CUSA as nothing too.

If Boosters at ASU threatened to withhold money because of the conference we played in, they would most likely get covered with nasty emails and comments from our own fans because of it.

People in Arkansas dont identify with CUSA as being anything more than a mid major league like the SBC. I fully believe our donations would only increase if we moved up to an AQ league.

I understand the points that you are trying to make, but again you don't have three other mid major programs within your borders. La Tech and Tulane have been killing us with the negative recruiting.

You guys just have to out recruit Memphis who sucks and is a basketball school. UCA who is FCS, there is no comparison.

We recruit against La Neck pretty heavily, also go against Tulsa quite a bit. Only times we recruit against UCA are for fringe prospects that we might offer a last minute scholly too.

The truth is that in Arkansas, Appalachian State has more identity in this state than UNT, FIU, FAU, UTSA, Charlotte, and Old Dominion do combined. Why? Because App State made national news a few years ago beating Michigan. None of the other schools have ever done that.

I can guarantee you that when ULL heads to Fayetville for football next season, a good portion of the fans there will think you are a lower level program than ULM.

I can guarantee you're wrong. We're not going up there to play a home game. You're comfortable in the SBC, most of us Cajun fans are not - as it stands. You're not going to alter our views and outlook with your calm and rational posts.

Oh trust me...you'll run into it. Most football fans in Arkansas are incredibly ignorant of the college football world around them. There are large numbers of people in this state who believe that Arkansas is a better program than Alabama. The only thing that people in Arkansas will know is that ULM beat them last year, which in their foolish mind makes them a better program than ULL.

A few might have gotten lucky and watched you play in the New Orleans bowl last year, but they also probably saw ULM play in the I bowl, a bowl many in this state see as a higher profile game.

Thats what ASU fights against in this state, a large group of ignorant fans who think the world revolves around the University of Arkansas.

(03-21-2013 11:26 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:21 AM)Complacent Cajun Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:15 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:04 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:00 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I can appreciate some of that, but we do compete against an SEC school that recruits negatively against us almost daily. The thing is, that school is going to recruit negatively against us regardless of what league we are in. We are going to be seen as beneath a lot of people's attention whether we play in the SBC, CUSA, or MAC. We still must recruit daily against teams like Tech, Memphis, and Tulsa instate, and any one of those can use the conference line. It just doesnt work on Arkansas recruits because they see CUSA as nothing too.

If Boosters at ASU threatened to withhold money because of the conference we played in, they would most likely get covered with nasty emails and comments from our own fans because of it.

People in Arkansas dont identify with CUSA as being anything more than a mid major league like the SBC. I fully believe our donations would only increase if we moved up to an AQ league.

I understand the points that you are trying to make, but again you don't have three other mid major programs within your borders. La Tech and Tulane have been killing us with the negative recruiting.

You guys just have to out recruit Memphis who sucks and is a basketball school. UCA who is FCS, there is no comparison.

We recruit against La Neck pretty heavily, also go against Tulsa quite a bit. Only times we recruit against UCA are for fringe prospects that we might offer a last minute scholly too.

The truth is that in Arkansas, Appalachian State has more identity in this state than UNT, FIU, FAU, UTSA, Charlotte, and Old Dominion do combined. Why? Because App State made national news a few years ago beating Michigan. None of the other schools have ever done that.

I can guarantee you that when ULL heads to Fayetville for football next season, a good portion of the fans there will think you are a lower level program than ULM.

I can guarantee you're wrong. We're not going up there to play a home game. You're comfortable in the SBC, most of us Cajun fans are not - as it stands. You're not going to alter our views and outlook with your calm and rational posts.

Oh trust me...you'll run into it. Most football fans in Arkansas are incredibly ignorant of the college football world around them. There are large numbers of people in this state who believe that Arkansas is a better program than Alabama. The only thing that people in Arkansas will know is that ULM beat them last year, which in their foolish mind makes them a better program than ULL.

A few might have gotten lucky and watched you play in the New Orleans bowl last year, but they also probably saw ULM play in the I bowl, a bowl many in this state see as a higher profile game.

Thats what ASU fights against in this state, a large group of ignorant fans who think the world revolves around the University of Arkansas.

The win at #8 Arkansas followed by overtime with Auburn and taking Baylor to the wire at home on national television has done wonders for our perception nationally, but unfortunately not in the SBC. I travel often and wear ULM gear and constantly have people all over stop and talk about the team and Browning. That national pub put us on the map. Also, in reading forums of our upcoming BCS games this year we are spoken of as a threat and not a cupcake. Amazing how quickly perception can change. Had ULL pulled off the Florida upset, it would have been much the same except that being the first game of the year and following it up with close losses to other BCS teams definitely helped.

(03-21-2013 12:06 PM)Arrowhead Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:26 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:21 AM)Complacent Cajun Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:15 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:04 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  I understand the points that you are trying to make, but again you don't have three other mid major programs within your borders. La Tech and Tulane have been killing us with the negative recruiting.

You guys just have to out recruit Memphis who sucks and is a basketball school. UCA who is FCS, there is no comparison.

We recruit against La Neck pretty heavily, also go against Tulsa quite a bit. Only times we recruit against UCA are for fringe prospects that we might offer a last minute scholly too.

The truth is that in Arkansas, Appalachian State has more identity in this state than UNT, FIU, FAU, UTSA, Charlotte, and Old Dominion do combined. Why? Because App State made national news a few years ago beating Michigan. None of the other schools have ever done that.

I can guarantee you that when ULL heads to Fayetville for football next season, a good portion of the fans there will think you are a lower level program than ULM.

I can guarantee you're wrong. We're not going up there to play a home game. You're comfortable in the SBC, most of us Cajun fans are not - as it stands. You're not going to alter our views and outlook with your calm and rational posts.

Oh trust me...you'll run into it. Most football fans in Arkansas are incredibly ignorant of the college football world around them. There are large numbers of people in this state who believe that Arkansas is a better program than Alabama. The only thing that people in Arkansas will know is that ULM beat them last year, which in their foolish mind makes them a better program than ULL.

A few might have gotten lucky and watched you play in the New Orleans bowl last year, but they also probably saw ULM play in the I bowl, a bowl many in this state see as a higher profile game.

Thats what ASU fights against in this state, a large group of ignorant fans who think the world revolves around the University of Arkansas.

The win at #8 Arkansas followed by overtime with Auburn and taking Baylor to the wire at home on national television has done wonders for our perception nationally, but unfortunately not in the SBC. I travel often and wear ULM gear and constantly have people all over stop and talk about the team and Browning. That national pub put us on the map. Also, in reading forums of our upcoming BCS games this year we are spoken of as a threat and not a cupcake. Amazing how quickly perception can change. Had ULL pulled off the Florida upset, it would have been much the same except that being the first game of the year and following it up with close losses to other BCS teams definitely helped.

Exactly, it wont work on SBC fans who have play you guys regularly, but the only thing many BCS fans will know is what they saw on TV

(03-21-2013 10:29 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:16 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 09:26 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 09:21 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 09:14 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  I'm not sure what media you are reading or who you talk to Burn, but the stigma has gotten worse once is was announced which programs where being considered for replacements for MT and FAU. Our brand hit its peak this past season with 4 bowl teams and now the Sun Belt is rebranding and rebuilding. No one possibly could think the stigma is diapearing now that we are taking a step backwards for a few years.

stAte, UL, WKU, ULM. None of those peaking bowl teams have left yet.

Yes, and you are replacing programs that have all played in bowl games at the FBS level with FCS transition teams. That is the other part of the picture that you conveniently left out.

And I've pointed out that WKU, FAU, FIU all had the same things said and ODU, Charlotte are in the same boat. You conveniently leave that out of your picture.

People act as if reputations and perceptions in college football are static. They can be highly non-static.

If we come back in 5 years Texas State may have a greater reputation than UNT. Very possible. UTSA may be tearing it up. USM may still be down and Ole Miss may be SEC Champs. App State may be going to a bowl while FAU/FIU are in the Bottom 10.

Today's FCS status means nothing. Nothing. CUSA's prior rep is being completely reset starting this fall.

bull****.

If status meant nothing, then why are so many FCS clamoring to move up?

IF status meant nothing, then why have no FBS "moved down"?

And as already stated, you had better believe that no additional schools that were Southland conference members at the time of the split will ever get in as long as we have a say about it.

AstroCajun, You do realize that he believes his logic reflects actual opinion outside the Sun Belt?