(03-15-2013 04:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 03:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 03:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  easiest way for SLU (and VCU for that matter) to make a statement is to go far in the NCAA tourney this year. A Final Four for really either and I think they HAVE to get added for 2013. Imagine first game of the new Big East- Final Four team vs St John's, in the Garden. That's not bad.

Seeing how everyone and their mother is reporting that we will announce our '13 roster BEFORE the NCAA tournament to get some buzz i doubt that anything that happens in the tournament will effect that. '14 is possible though.

Yes and no. Keep in mind, for VCU and Butler- both announced they were going to the A10 WELL after the NCAA tourney(May I think even) for the 2012-13 season. I think we'd be idiots if we don't take SLU or VCU if they make the final 4 this year(even with them not getting introduced next week). That would be SUCH a huge boost perception wise heading into the new era.

Okay but what do we do, tell Creighton "sorry guy maybe next year if George Mason doesn't make another final four run."? Go to 11 for a year and then 12 the next? Go right to 12 and completely obliterate the A-10? Also it is an incredibly LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot of VCU making a Final Four run. St. Louis is more of a LOOOOOOONG shot as well. Not as unlikely but still unlikely.

(03-15-2013 05:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 04:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 03:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 03:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  easiest way for SLU (and VCU for that matter) to make a statement is to go far in the NCAA tourney this year. A Final Four for really either and I think they HAVE to get added for 2013. Imagine first game of the new Big East- Final Four team vs St John's, in the Garden. That's not bad.

Seeing how everyone and their mother is reporting that we will announce our '13 roster BEFORE the NCAA tournament to get some buzz i doubt that anything that happens in the tournament will effect that. '14 is possible though.

Yes and no. Keep in mind, for VCU and Butler- both announced they were going to the A10 WELL after the NCAA tourney(May I think even) for the 2012-13 season. I think we'd be idiots if we don't take SLU or VCU if they make the final 4 this year(even with them not getting introduced next week). That would be SUCH a huge boost perception wise heading into the new era.

Okay but what do we do, tell Creighton "sorry guy maybe next year if George Mason doesn't make another final four run."? Go to 11 for a year and then 12 the next? Go right to 12 and completely obliterate the A-10?

That one.

Quote: Also it is an incredibly LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot of VCU making a Final Four run. St. Louis is more of a LOOOOOOONG shot as well. Not as unlikely but still unlikely.

True. But a Final Four (or for VCU another Final Four) would make passing over that school much more awkward.

(03-15-2013 05:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 04:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 03:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 03:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  easiest way for SLU (and VCU for that matter) to make a statement is to go far in the NCAA tourney this year. A Final Four for really either and I think they HAVE to get added for 2013. Imagine first game of the new Big East- Final Four team vs St John's, in the Garden. That's not bad.

Seeing how everyone and their mother is reporting that we will announce our '13 roster BEFORE the NCAA tournament to get some buzz i doubt that anything that happens in the tournament will effect that. '14 is possible though.

Yes and no. Keep in mind, for VCU and Butler- both announced they were going to the A10 WELL after the NCAA tourney(May I think even) for the 2012-13 season. I think we'd be idiots if we don't take SLU or VCU if they make the final 4 this year(even with them not getting introduced next week). That would be SUCH a huge boost perception wise heading into the new era.

Okay but what do we do, tell Creighton "sorry guy maybe next year if George Mason doesn't make another final four run."? Go to 11 for a year and then 12 the next? Go right to 12 and completely obliterate the A-10? Also it is an incredibly LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot of VCU making a Final Four run. St. Louis is more of a LOOOOOOONG shot as well. Not as unlikely but still unlikely.

I say we go to 12.

I think VCU might have more of a shot because of VCU's style of play. They aren't an easy team to prepare for in short order. Not to mention all the experience they have quite frankly.

Butler vs. Saint Louis, Round 3.

Congrats to the Bulldogs. Will be another battle tomorrow.

(03-15-2013 05:34 PM)LouPower Wrote:  Butler vs. Saint Louis, Round 3.

Congrats to the Bulldogs. Will be another battle tomorrow.

Not it won't. Butler's going to get run out of town on a rail. The players are tired, the coach is tired, and they're just not very good.

(03-15-2013 05:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 05:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 04:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 03:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 03:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  easiest way for SLU (and VCU for that matter) to make a statement is to go far in the NCAA tourney this year. A Final Four for really either and I think they HAVE to get added for 2013. Imagine first game of the new Big East- Final Four team vs St John's, in the Garden. That's not bad.

Seeing how everyone and their mother is reporting that we will announce our '13 roster BEFORE the NCAA tournament to get some buzz i doubt that anything that happens in the tournament will effect that. '14 is possible though.

Yes and no. Keep in mind, for VCU and Butler- both announced they were going to the A10 WELL after the NCAA tourney(May I think even) for the 2012-13 season. I think we'd be idiots if we don't take SLU or VCU if they make the final 4 this year(even with them not getting introduced next week). That would be SUCH a huge boost perception wise heading into the new era.

Okay but what do we do, tell Creighton "sorry guy maybe next year if George Mason doesn't make another final four run."? Go to 11 for a year and then 12 the next? Go right to 12 and completely obliterate the A-10? Also it is an incredibly LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot of VCU making a Final Four run. St. Louis is more of a LOOOOOOONG shot as well. Not as unlikely but still unlikely.

I say we go to 12.

I think VCU might have more of a shot because of VCU's style of play. They aren't an easy team to prepare for in short order. Not to mention all the experience they have quite frankly.

I've seen them play. if they get a crew who calls a tight game they are done. Lot's of hacks that never get called when they play.

we need to pick the 5 that make the most sense. if VCU(can we say that) fits now then they fit now. making the final 4 wont make them a better fit. not making the final 4 wont make then less of a fit.

(03-15-2013 07:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 05:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 05:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 04:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 03:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Seeing how everyone and their mother is reporting that we will announce our '13 roster BEFORE the NCAA tournament to get some buzz i doubt that anything that happens in the tournament will effect that. '14 is possible though.

Yes and no. Keep in mind, for VCU and Butler- both announced they were going to the A10 WELL after the NCAA tourney(May I think even) for the 2012-13 season. I think we'd be idiots if we don't take SLU or VCU if they make the final 4 this year(even with them not getting introduced next week). That would be SUCH a huge boost perception wise heading into the new era.

Okay but what do we do, tell Creighton "sorry guy maybe next year if George Mason doesn't make another final four run."? Go to 11 for a year and then 12 the next? Go right to 12 and completely obliterate the A-10? Also it is an incredibly LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot of VCU making a Final Four run. St. Louis is more of a LOOOOOOONG shot as well. Not as unlikely but still unlikely.

I say we go to 12.

I think VCU might have more of a shot because of VCU's style of play. They aren't an easy team to prepare for in short order. Not to mention all the experience they have quite frankly.

I've seen them play. if they get a crew who calls a tight game they are done. Lot's of hacks that never get called when they play.

I've seen teams like that- you never get called for all the hacks. NEVER.

(03-15-2013 08:08 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  we need to pick the 5 that make the most sense. if VCU(can we say that) fits now then they fit now. making the final 4 wont make them a better fit. not making the final 4 wont make then less of a fit.

The thing is, they would allow us to make a much larger splash right of the bat. Them or SLU- if either one makes the final 4. Also, it's like what Frank said- if VCU gets another final 4- they start getting into that exceptional area where it overrides the fit aspect a lot more.

(03-15-2013 08:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 07:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 05:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 05:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 04:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Yes and no. Keep in mind, for VCU and Butler- both announced they were going to the A10 WELL after the NCAA tourney(May I think even) for the 2012-13 season. I think we'd be idiots if we don't take SLU or VCU if they make the final 4 this year(even with them not getting introduced next week). That would be SUCH a huge boost perception wise heading into the new era.

Okay but what do we do, tell Creighton "sorry guy maybe next year if George Mason doesn't make another final four run."? Go to 11 for a year and then 12 the next? Go right to 12 and completely obliterate the A-10? Also it is an incredibly LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot of VCU making a Final Four run. St. Louis is more of a LOOOOOOONG shot as well. Not as unlikely but still unlikely.

I say we go to 12.

I think VCU might have more of a shot because of VCU's style of play. They aren't an easy team to prepare for in short order. Not to mention all the experience they have quite frankly.

I've seen them play. if they get a crew who calls a tight game they are done. Lot's of hacks that never get called when they play.

I've seen teams like that- you never get called for all the hacks. NEVER.

If you get two regular ACC refs you're going to get called for touch fouls all day and night. Why do you think Big East teams have issues in the NCAA? Physical teams get lit up by refs who aren't used to "Big East Style" BBall.

(03-15-2013 08:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 08:08 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  we need to pick the 5 that make the most sense. if VCU(can we say that) fits now then they fit now. making the final 4 wont make them a better fit. not making the final 4 wont make then less of a fit.

The thing is, they would allow us to make a much larger splash right of the bat. Them or SLU- if either one makes the final 4. Also, it's like what Frank said- if VCU gets another final 4- they start getting into that exceptional area where it overrides the fit aspect a lot more.

Okay, if VCU makes ANOTHER Final Four this year ill consider them.

If they don't i don't see them getting an invite.

(03-15-2013 08:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 08:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 07:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 05:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 05:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Okay but what do we do, tell Creighton "sorry guy maybe next year if George Mason doesn't make another final four run."? Go to 11 for a year and then 12 the next? Go right to 12 and completely obliterate the A-10? Also it is an incredibly LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot of VCU making a Final Four run. St. Louis is more of a LOOOOOOONG shot as well. Not as unlikely but still unlikely.

I say we go to 12.

I think VCU might have more of a shot because of VCU's style of play. They aren't an easy team to prepare for in short order. Not to mention all the experience they have quite frankly.

I've seen them play. if they get a crew who calls a tight game they are done. Lot's of hacks that never get called when they play.

I've seen teams like that- you never get called for all the hacks. NEVER.

If you get two regular ACC refs you're going to get called for touch fouls all day and night. Why do you think Big East teams have issues in the NCAA? Physical teams get lit up by refs who aren't used to "Big East Style" BBall.

They've not had that problem in the NCAA tourney I'd say the last few years. We'll see how they fare this year in the tourney. Their probably now is they could wind up as a 4 or 5 and get the #1 in the sweet 16 round.

(03-15-2013 08:45 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 08:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 08:08 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  we need to pick the 5 that make the most sense. if VCU(can we say that) fits now then they fit now. making the final 4 wont make them a better fit. not making the final 4 wont make then less of a fit.

The thing is, they would allow us to make a much larger splash right of the bat. Them or SLU- if either one makes the final 4. Also, it's like what Frank said- if VCU gets another final 4- they start getting into that exceptional area where it overrides the fit aspect a lot more.

Okay, if VCU makes ANOTHER Final Four this year ill consider them.

If they don't i don't see them getting an invite.

In some ways that's all I've been saying. Get the invite almost via default. Make it where it's impossible for the Big East to not take them.

I mean, imagine in April headlines- Big East expands to 12, takes final four team VCU. That headline turns heads- even after the NCAA tourney is over.

(03-15-2013 08:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 08:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 08:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 07:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 05:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I say we go to 12.

I think VCU might have more of a shot because of VCU's style of play. They aren't an easy team to prepare for in short order. Not to mention all the experience they have quite frankly.

I've seen them play. if they get a crew who calls a tight game they are done. Lot's of hacks that never get called when they play.

I've seen teams like that- you never get called for all the hacks. NEVER.

If you get two regular ACC refs you're going to get called for touch fouls all day and night. Why do you think Big East teams have issues in the NCAA? Physical teams get lit up by refs who aren't used to "Big East Style" BBall.

They've not had that problem in the NCAA tourney I'd say the last few years. We'll see how they fare this year in the tourney. Their probably now is they could wind up as a 4 or 5 and get the #1 in the sweet 16 round.

Well we'll see.

Also outside of the FF run they have never made a Sweet 16, so i'd be concentrating on just getting there before you worry who they play in that round.

This thread is starting to take a familiar turn....

Tom Timmermann ‏@tomtimm

All indications are SLU won't be initial group of teams leaving for Big East. Still in good position for second wave.

From SLU beat writer.

(03-15-2013 11:17 PM)LouPower Wrote:  Tom Timmermann ‏@tomtimm

All indications are SLU won't be initial group of teams leaving for Big East. Still in good position for second wave.

From SLU beat writer.

This and all the other stuff coming out tonight is stuff we knew was going to happen. The one thing we can't agree on is #12.

Did you guys see this:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...ng-sources
The new Big East will have only 10 members in 2013-14 and then will take an approach to future expansion, sources with knowledge of the situation told ESPN's Andy Katz.

What the heck does an approach to future expansion mean? Is that the most cryptic sentence uttered?(well, non-Jersey Guy division)

(03-16-2013 01:03 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Did you guys see this:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...ng-sources
The new Big East will have only 10 members in 2013-14 and then will take an approach to future expansion, sources with knowledge of the situation told ESPN's Andy Katz.

What the heck does an approach to future expansion mean? Is that the most cryptic sentence uttered?(well, non-Jersey Guy division)

I think an adjective got edited out. "The new Big East will have only 10 members in 2013-14 and then will take an (adjective) approach to future expansion, sources with knowledge of the situation told ESPN's Andy Katz." They're probably not doing their best work updating at 3:35 ET

Aggressive approach, cautious approach, haphazard approach, etc.

How about "conscientious" ???