Does the award say BENCH COY? I don't understand the critics of Pastner saying anybody could win with that talent. Well, who got the talent there? He didn't inherit a single player. Last time I checked, recruiting is part of coaching. A big part.

Tyndall had the least experienced team in college basketball this season, along with Mississippi St. and Lipscomb (Maybe).

USM went 21-8.

MSU is 9-21.

Lipscomb is 11-18.

I think Pastner or Tyndall would be more than deserving for the jobs they have done this season.

(03-12-2013 08:36 AM)UofMBandGuy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 06:10 AM)transitt Wrote:  That's because a lot of Memphis fans don't understand how hard it is to go undefeated in conference (and don't even remember little nuggets like the fact that the Derrick Rose/CDR team was POINT TWO seconds away from losing at UAB.). Most of the Memphis fans who were going to be angry had we not gone undefeated became Memphis fans in about 2006.

It's so hard in fact that Memphis has done it what 4 times in the last 7 years?

They should expect the team to go undefeated based on the money and committment we put into the program as opposed to what our conference mates do.

We outdraw our conference mates even when people 10 rows into the third deck are paying $200 per year for one ticket.

Fans in seats don't dictate wins for any team and there are many programs that put a lot of money into their program, but they don't go undefeated. Those elements are definitely a plus, but in the end, you still have to play the game on the court. Guys get hurt, have bad perfomances, or come up against bad match ups. We may feel we can and should go undefeated, but if it were really that simple, we would have done it 7 out of 7 times. And by 20 and 30 points every game--since it's that easy.

(03-12-2013 08:36 AM)UofMBandGuy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 06:10 AM)transitt Wrote:  That's because a lot of Memphis fans don't understand how hard it is to go undefeated in conference (and don't even remember little nuggets like the fact that the Derrick Rose/CDR team was POINT TWO seconds away from losing at UAB.). Most of the Memphis fans who were going to be angry had we not gone undefeated became Memphis fans in about 2006.

It's so hard in fact that Memphis has done it what 4 times in the last 7 years?

They should expect the team to go undefeated based on the money and committment we put into the program as opposed to what our conference mates do.

We outdraw our conference mates even when people 10 rows into the third deck are paying $200 per year for one ticket.

What does all of that have to do with being able to go through a conference schedule undefeated?

If it was easy in CUSA, why haven't other programs been able to do it?

If it was easy to do in any conference, why were only 3 champions undefeated in conference play?

Many Tiger fans have been spoiled by success and think that an undefeated conference season is an entitlement.

I don't want to see back to back 6 win seasons like we've had in the past to bring Tiger fans back to earth and appreciate years like this, but at some point, fans have to realize that just "Memphis" on the front of the jersey and 15K fans in the stands doesn't win games.

I acknowledge that we have some inherent advantages with funding/location, but other programs aren't laying down when we show up. We still have to win games against programs with full scholarship recruited players like everyone else does.

That $200 guy in the third level hasn't hit many shots or retrieved many rebounds.

That's all a little harsher than intended. I just get weary of fans thinking that it's easy out there and it's disrespectful to the other conference members.

(03-12-2013 08:36 AM)UofMBandGuy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 06:10 AM)transitt Wrote:  That's because a lot of Memphis fans don't understand how hard it is to go undefeated in conference (and don't even remember little nuggets like the fact that the Derrick Rose/CDR team was POINT TWO seconds away from losing at UAB.). Most of the Memphis fans who were going to be angry had we not gone undefeated became Memphis fans in about 2006.

It's so hard in fact that Memphis has done it what 4 times in the last 7 years?

They should expect the team to go undefeated based on the money and committment we put into the program as opposed to what our conference mates do.

We outdraw our conference mates even when people 10 rows into the third deck are paying $200 per year for one ticket.

So Pastner is expected to do in his forth season what it took Calipari 15 years and three jobs to do just because we draw a lot of fans? By that logic ECU should run the table in football every season...

(03-12-2013 09:20 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:36 AM)UofMBandGuy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 06:10 AM)transitt Wrote:  That's because a lot of Memphis fans don't understand how hard it is to go undefeated in conference (and don't even remember little nuggets like the fact that the Derrick Rose/CDR team was POINT TWO seconds away from losing at UAB.). Most of the Memphis fans who were going to be angry had we not gone undefeated became Memphis fans in about 2006.

It's so hard in fact that Memphis has done it what 4 times in the last 7 years?

They should expect the team to go undefeated based on the money and committment we put into the program as opposed to what our conference mates do.

We outdraw our conference mates even when people 10 rows into the third deck are paying $200 per year for one ticket.

What does all of that have to do with being able to go through a conference schedule undefeated?

More money and committment means better facilites and higher expectations.

Sorry I didn't spell it all out.

(03-12-2013 10:20 AM)transitt Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:36 AM)UofMBandGuy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 06:10 AM)transitt Wrote:  That's because a lot of Memphis fans don't understand how hard it is to go undefeated in conference (and don't even remember little nuggets like the fact that the Derrick Rose/CDR team was POINT TWO seconds away from losing at UAB.). Most of the Memphis fans who were going to be angry had we not gone undefeated became Memphis fans in about 2006.

It's so hard in fact that Memphis has done it what 4 times in the last 7 years?

They should expect the team to go undefeated based on the money and committment we put into the program as opposed to what our conference mates do.

We outdraw our conference mates even when people 10 rows into the third deck are paying $200 per year for one ticket.

So Pastner is expected to do in his forth season what it took Calipari 15 years and three jobs to do just because we draw a lot of fans? By that logic ECU should run the table in football every season...

Cal was at Memphis 15 years?

Pastner inherited the program in much better shape than Cal.

(03-12-2013 12:03 PM)UofMBandGuy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 10:20 AM)transitt Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:36 AM)UofMBandGuy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 06:10 AM)transitt Wrote:  That's because a lot of Memphis fans don't understand how hard it is to go undefeated in conference (and don't even remember little nuggets like the fact that the Derrick Rose/CDR team was POINT TWO seconds away from losing at UAB.). Most of the Memphis fans who were going to be angry had we not gone undefeated became Memphis fans in about 2006.

It's so hard in fact that Memphis has done it what 4 times in the last 7 years?

They should expect the team to go undefeated based on the money and committment we put into the program as opposed to what our conference mates do.

We outdraw our conference mates even when people 10 rows into the third deck are paying $200 per year for one ticket.

So Pastner is expected to do in his forth season what it took Calipari 15 years and three jobs to do just because we draw a lot of fans? By that logic ECU should run the table in football every season...

Cal was at Memphis 15 years?

Pastner inherited the program in much better shape than Cal.

Dude,you're killing me. I understand expecting a WINNING season every year with the level of committments. I understand expecting an NCAA tourney bid.

To go undefeated in conference play? Absurd. There are good programs in CUSA . Not only that, they are all division I players. Somebody has on off night, somebody gets sick, somebody gets stupid------- and you get beat.


For a coach to hold this group of talent together, and go undefeated in the league? When everybody wants to beat you so bad it hurts!? Playing in paces like Tulsa,UTEP, and Hattiesburg? You expect to go undefeated through that?


You're killing me smalls . You're killing me.

(03-12-2013 12:27 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  To go undefeated in conference play? Absurd.

4 of the last 7 years is absurd? Ok if you say so.

(03-12-2013 12:33 PM)UofMBandGuy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 12:27 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  To go undefeated in conference play? Absurd.

4 of the last 7 years is absurd? Ok if you say so.

Good, because I say so.

Going undefeated in this confrence, or any confrence, is amazing.

To think anything else is lunacy. To expect it? Outright disrespectful to the other teams, and a complete lack of understanding of the basketball tradition at some of these schools.

Partner, COY, period, end of story.

1) Donnie Tyndall CoY.
2) Josh Pastner
3) Danny Manning

1) Best over all job with what he had to work with.

2) Memphis is Memphis. Fan base is a little arrogant and assumes they should win CoY every year they are in C-USA. Most years they would be the default winner. Not this year. People outside of the conference are saying Tyndall for CoY also. That tells me more than opinions inside the conference.

3) Tulsa had probably the toughest road to get wins this season. Coach Manning got the best he could out of the players he had. Hard to do when most of them are true freshmen and not an all-american in the bunch.

(03-12-2013 08:50 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Does the award say BENCH COY? I don't understand the critics of Pastner saying anybody could win with that talent. Well, who got the talent there? He didn't inherit a single player. Last time I checked, recruiting is part of coaching. A big part.

I get what you are saying. Recruiting is part of it.

You can really turn things into semantics, but I think the YEAR aspect of the award's name is significant. Pastner's core players returned--a group that has underachieved big time. Really, this season was just about finally living up to potential (they still aren't) for Memphis. People still believe--and I think there is little doubt--that Pastner is underachieving outside of recruiting.

Tyndall took over a program with few players left and still the same **** facilities and poor basketball following. He almost took USM to the NCAA Tourney.

No brainer, to me.

(03-12-2013 12:03 PM)UofMBandGuy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 10:20 AM)transitt Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:36 AM)UofMBandGuy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 06:10 AM)transitt Wrote:  That's because a lot of Memphis fans don't understand how hard it is to go undefeated in conference (and don't even remember little nuggets like the fact that the Derrick Rose/CDR team was POINT TWO seconds away from losing at UAB.). Most of the Memphis fans who were going to be angry had we not gone undefeated became Memphis fans in about 2006.

It's so hard in fact that Memphis has done it what 4 times in the last 7 years?

They should expect the team to go undefeated based on the money and committment we put into the program as opposed to what our conference mates do.

We outdraw our conference mates even when people 10 rows into the third deck are paying $200 per year for one ticket.

So Pastner is expected to do in his forth season what it took Calipari 15 years and three jobs to do just because we draw a lot of fans? By that logic ECU should run the table in football every season...

Cal was at Memphis 15 years?

Pastner inherited the program in much better shape than Cal.

Cal was in about his 15th season as a head coach the first time he went through a conference undefeated. What about that do you not understand.

If you expect a 4th year coach to be as good as one with 15 years experience then you know little about athletics.

Calipari left the program in SUCH GREAT SHAPE that Pastner had to sign Stephens without even seeing him play just to have enough bodies for practice.

Gonzaga clearly has much more support than anyone else in the WCC.....their coach must suck because they don't go undefeated every season.

Murray St has more support than any other OVC program. They didn't even get the auto bid this season.

Anyone who puts undefeated conference seasons as an expectation is an idiot.


If you expect it, see above.

(03-12-2013 01:04 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:50 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Does the award say BENCH COY? I don't understand the critics of Pastner saying anybody could win with that talent. Well, who got the talent there? He didn't inherit a single player. Last time I checked, recruiting is part of coaching. A big part.

I get what you are saying. Recruiting is part of it.

You can really turn things into semantics, but I think the YEAR aspect of the award's name is significant. Pastner's core players returned--a group that has underachieved big time. Really, this season was just about finally living up to potential (they still aren't) for Memphis. People still believe--and I think there is little doubt--that Pastner is underachieving outside of recruiting.
Tyndall took over a program with few players left and still the same **** facilities and poor basketball following. He almost took USM to the NCAA Tourney.

No brainer, to me.

Anyone who thinks that doesn't know the situation in Memphis, period.

(03-12-2013 01:04 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:50 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Does the award say BENCH COY? I don't understand the critics of Pastner saying anybody could win with that talent. Well, who got the talent there? He didn't inherit a single player. Last time I checked, recruiting is part of coaching. A big part.

I get what you are saying. Recruiting is part of it.

You can really turn things into semantics, but I think the YEAR aspect of the award's name is significant. Pastner's core players returned--a group that has underachieved big time. Really, this season was just about finally living up to potential (they still aren't) for Memphis. People still believe--and I think there is little doubt--that Pastner is underachieving outside of recruiting.

Tyndall took over a program with few players left and still the same **** facilities and poor basketball following. He almost took USM to the NCAA Tourney.

No brainer, to me.

How on earth is going 16-0 in Conference underachieving?

It's not Memphis' fault the conference is garbage this year.

(03-12-2013 12:33 PM)UofMBandGuy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 12:27 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  To go undefeated in conference play? Absurd.

4 of the last 7 years is absurd? Ok if you say so.

Seriously man, how many other teams not wearing U C L A across their chest 40 years ago have gone undefeated in conference play 4 of 7 years?

We absolutely have advantages of funding/located in a basketball hotbed/etc, but other programs are well funded and are in "basketball cities." They don't go undefeated in conference play every year and we won't either, I don't care what conference we're in.

All I can tell you is enjoy the ride, years like this don't "just happen" because a program is well funded. Good players don't just show up asking for a scholarship.

Don't get sucked up in the entitlement crowd on mt.org. Just enjoy the moment because it will disappear and you'll be wishing for years like these. If you can't enjoy a year like this, you're setting yourself up for disappointment in the future.

I've honestly been where you are.....we were winning 7,8, and 9 football games a year when I became a Tiger fan and thought we'd always be that good. It didn't exactly work out that way.

Enjoy the wins and the good years for as long as you can and forget the losses and bad years as soon as you can or you'll be disappointed more than satisfied.

Not only is it wrong to expect to go undefeated in conference play every year, it is an insult to conference members.

(03-12-2013 12:54 PM)TulsaEye Wrote:  1) Donnie Tyndall CoY.
2) Josh Pastner
3) Danny Manning

1) Best over all job with what he had to work with.

2) Memphis is Memphis. Fan base is a little arrogant and assumes they should win CoY every year they are in C-USA. Most years they would be the default winner. Not this year. People outside of the conference are saying Tyndall for CoY also. That tells me more than opinions inside the conference.

3) Tulsa had probably the toughest road to get wins this season. Coach Manning got the best he could out of the players he had. Hard to do when most of them are true freshmen and not an all-american in the bunch.

We don't assume that we should win coach of the year. Calipari won COY in 2006, 2008 and 2009. We had undefeated conference records in 2007, 2008 and 2009. Pastner has never won COY. This and his 1st season are really the only seasons where he deserves it.

(03-12-2013 01:04 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:50 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Does the award say BENCH COY? I don't understand the critics of Pastner saying anybody could win with that talent. Well, who got the talent there? He didn't inherit a single player. Last time I checked, recruiting is part of coaching. A big part.

I get what you are saying. Recruiting is part of it.

You can really turn things into semantics, but I think the YEAR aspect of the award's name is significant. Pastner's core players returned--a group that has underachieved big time. Really, this season was just about finally living up to potential (they still aren't) for Memphis. People still believe--and I think there is little doubt--that Pastner is underachieving outside of recruiting.

Tyndall took over a program with few players left and still the same **** facilities and poor basketball following. He almost took USM to the NCAA Tourney.

No brainer, to me.

I haven't seen a single poster from Memphis or anywhere else say that Tyndall should get very serious consideration. In fact, many Tiger fans have stated they are undecided. Not sure why you're referencing "underachieved big time."

We did have a great core of players returning, but you're forgetting that we lost our leading scorer, leading rebounder, player that scored more points as a soph than any player in Memphis history, and CUSA Player of the Year.

After most/many(can't remember exactly how many) of our conference games, there were comments on this board by fans of opposing teams that recognized that Coach Paster was much improved and doing a good job.

(03-12-2013 01:37 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 01:04 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:50 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Does the award say BENCH COY? I don't understand the critics of Pastner saying anybody could win with that talent. Well, who got the talent there? He didn't inherit a single player. Last time I checked, recruiting is part of coaching. A big part.

I get what you are saying. Recruiting is part of it.

You can really turn things into semantics, but I think the YEAR aspect of the award's name is significant. Pastner's core players returned--a group that has underachieved big time. Really, this season was just about finally living up to potential (they still aren't) for Memphis. People still believe--and I think there is little doubt--that Pastner is underachieving outside of recruiting.

Tyndall took over a program with few players left and still the same **** facilities and poor basketball following. He almost took USM to the NCAA Tourney.

No brainer, to me.

I haven't seen a single poster from Memphis or anywhere else say that Tyndall should get very serious consideration. In fact, many Tiger fans have stated they are undecided. Not sure why you're referencing "underachieved big time."

We did have a great core of players returning, but you're forgetting that we lost our leading scorer, leading rebounder, player that scored more points as a soph than any player in Memphis history, and CUSA Player of the Year.

After most/many(can't remember exactly how many) of our conference games, there were comments on this board by fans of opposing teams that recognized that Coach Paster was much improved and doing a good job.

Im far from being a accused of being a memphis fan, but JP had memphis playing from feb on better than any period i remimber. I think this years memphis team in the latter half could beat any squad that Cal put on the floor.

(03-12-2013 01:37 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 01:04 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:50 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Does the award say BENCH COY? I don't understand the critics of Pastner saying anybody could win with that talent. Well, who got the talent there? He didn't inherit a single player. Last time I checked, recruiting is part of coaching. A big part.

I get what you are saying. Recruiting is part of it.

You can really turn things into semantics, but I think the YEAR aspect of the award's name is significant. Pastner's core players returned--a group that has underachieved big time. Really, this season was just about finally living up to potential (they still aren't) for Memphis. People still believe--and I think there is little doubt--that Pastner is underachieving outside of recruiting.

Tyndall took over a program with few players left and still the same **** facilities and poor basketball following. He almost took USM to the NCAA Tourney.

No brainer, to me.

I haven't seen a single poster from Memphis or anywhere else say that Tyndall should get very serious consideration. In fact, many Tiger fans have stated they are undecided. Not sure why you're referencing "underachieved big time."

We did have a great core of players returning, but you're forgetting that we lost our leading scorer, leading rebounder, player that scored more points as a soph than any player in Memphis history, and CUSA Player of the Year.

After most/many(can't remember exactly how many) of our conference games, there were comments on this board by fans of opposing teams that recognized that Coach Paster was much improved and doing a good job.

I can't see saying Memphis underachieved as well. I think their finish and the fact they won all conference games is a pretty strong statement on them. I think the Memphis Coach and USM's coach are the ones that should be considered front runners and I favor USM's coach simply because he had a bigger hill to climb and had far less expectations than Memphis. Both coaches did a good job and either could make a case for deserving the award.