(03-05-2013 07:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-05-2013 11:46 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 09:12 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 08:40 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  Guys the source on this is about as bad as they come. I would trust rumors started by posters on this board more than I would believe Tux Yoda

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

The fact that he's a bad source doesn't mean there's not some validity to this. It just makes too much sense to be dismissed lightly.

if this was a tweet from the Dude or MHver it wouldn't have gotten past the first page.

"Just makes too much sense". It's the exact opposite of making sense.

I actually thought that he was joking when he said "it makes too much sense." The amount of stupidity in this thread is astounding.

USF and UCF aren't going to the Big XII and viewers and passion are what matter in TV contracts, not "markets." If "markets" drove their value, the BIG EAST would have been beyond rich and the SEC and the B1G would both be broke.

It's a bit different when you introduce schools like Texas and Oklahoma to the Tampa and Orlando markets, than the big east schools. Sure both teams are on in both cities when they're nationally shown, but the interest in Big 12 football and basketball aren't there on a regular basis which would add cable subscribers which the revenue derives from. Of course FSU and Miami, as well as other ACC schools with more of a national presence are the first choice. This idea is basically discussion based on alternatives if the ACC schools can't get out.

(03-06-2013 08:16 AM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  

(03-05-2013 07:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-05-2013 11:46 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 09:12 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 08:40 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  Guys the source on this is about as bad as they come. I would trust rumors started by posters on this board more than I would believe Tux Yoda

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

The fact that he's a bad source doesn't mean there's not some validity to this. It just makes too much sense to be dismissed lightly.

if this was a tweet from the Dude or MHver it wouldn't have gotten past the first page.

"Just makes too much sense". It's the exact opposite of making sense.

I actually thought that he was joking when he said "it makes too much sense." The amount of stupidity in this thread is astounding.

USF and UCF aren't going to the Big XII and viewers and passion are what matter in TV contracts, not "markets." If "markets" drove their value, the BIG EAST would have been beyond rich and the SEC and the B1G would both be broke.

It's a bit different when you introduce schools like Texas and Oklahoma to the Tampa and Orlando markets, than the big east schools. Sure both teams are on in both cities when they're nationally shown, but the interest in Big 12 football and basketball aren't there on a regular basis which would add cable subscribers which the revenue derives from. Of course FSU and Miami, as well as other ACC schools with more of a national presence are the first choice. This idea is basically discussion based on alternatives if the ACC schools can't get out.

Tell that the the SEC and the B1G.

The "markets drive TV contracts" theory was invented by nBE fans to feel good about themselves.

Don't get me wrong, UCF has a TON of potential and I was in favor of the BE adding UCF for about a decade now, but the B1G XII shouldn't be interested in potential. The Big XII should be (and is) interested in realized potential and that's where UCF fails, and that's why UCF isn't going to the Big XII. Pull a Miami circa 1980 and UCF will be in the Big XII by the end of the decade. However, until then, it ain't happen'.

"That's exactly one of the questions we'll be asking ourselves,” Bowlsby said Wednesday. “Look at Maryland and Rutgers. They don't bring programs that are of the ilk of the others in the Big Ten. The philosophy clearly is: ‘As members of the Big Ten we can grow them.' "

If the Big XII thinks they can grow brands then UCF and USF would be the ideal candidates to attempt that.

(03-06-2013 11:49 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  "That's exactly one of the questions we'll be asking ourselves,” Bowlsby said Wednesday. “Look at Maryland and Rutgers. They don't bring programs that are of the ilk of the others in the Big Ten. The philosophy clearly is: ‘As members of the Big Ten we can grow them.' "

If the Big XII thinks they can grow brands then UCF and USF would be the ideal candidates to attempt that.

The difference is that the B1G is fighting to defend itself as #1, whereas the Big XII is fghting to not be #5. There is a big* difference.

*Get it? The B1G and the Big XII both have "big" in their name

Wildly, this speculation has reared it's ugly head again:

Quote:Dave Biddle ‏@davebiddle 9h
With the news that the Big 12 will look to add two more teams, have to wonder if the UC Bearcats might finally have a home.

Quote:Dave Biddle ‏@davebiddle 9h
Although, several reports say USF and UCF are the frontrunners to fill the two open spots in the Big 12 (which currently has 10 teams).

Biddle runs the Bucknuts.com website on 247 sports. Not sure where he's getting this.

(05-01-2013 11:42 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Wildly, this speculation has reared it's ugly head again:

Quote:Dave Biddle ‏@davebiddle 9h
With the news that the Big 12 will look to add two more teams, have to wonder if the UC Bearcats might finally have a home.

Quote:Dave Biddle ‏@davebiddle 9h
Although, several reports say USF and UCF are the frontrunners to fill the two open spots in the Big 12 (which currently has 10 teams).

Biddle runs the Bucknuts.com website on 247 sports. Not sure where he's getting this.

My take on the speculation: UC has told the B12 thanks but we are waiting on the ACC.

I'm sure there are a lot of votes for expansion to be found in the B12 to protect against potential raids once the GOR expires.

No way Cinnci has turned a Big XII offer. An ACC offer may never come.

Large state universities aren't just a "market demographic"...they also have alumni ties.

UCF and USF are larger schools than FSU (by about 10 thou) and Miami (by about 30 thou). They may not be able to sniff at the national appeal of the Noles and Canes...but you have tens of thousands of loyal alums (mainly in Florida) who care about their old college teams. Now...put their old schools in games against formidable national squads like Texas, TCU, OkSt, Oklahoma...instead of Rutgers, UConn, Temple, and Pitt...and the move isn't so outlandish.

(03-04-2013 03:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Is likely untrue, but as has been pointed out on the BE boards, the combined markets of Tampa/Orlando are a MEGA market, a top 5 US market.

Or they could take Temple and get the #3 market and still have 1 school left that could be UConn, Cincy or BYU.

There is no credibility to this blog. I thought it had been established a year ago that tuxedo Yoda was the Dude from WV. He can't talk about the ACC any more so he's coming up with rumors that are still GOR feasible.

I'm so happy that I don't think this will happen, because if it did it would have huge negative consequences for the SBC.

I think it's great to see things like reason, common sense and actual math once again taking precedence over "well placed sources," wild speculation and message board math. That's a refreshing change for many/most of you.

USF and UCF are not going to the B12 any more than FSU and Clemson were.

Common phucking sense.

(05-01-2013 11:42 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Wildly, this speculation has reared it's ugly head again:

Quote:Dave Biddle ‏@davebiddle 9h
With the news that the Big 12 will look to add two more teams, have to wonder if the UC Bearcats might finally have a home.

Quote:Dave Biddle ‏@davebiddle 9h
Although, several reports say USF and UCF are the frontrunners to fill the two open spots in the Big 12 (which currently has 10 teams).

Biddle runs the Bucknuts.com website on 247 sports. Not sure where he's getting this.

This moron has pushed other crazy theories in the past too. That said these are somewhat logical. Taking either USF/UCF and Cincy makes sense to me on the geography/recruiting angle. ACC then might be tempted to take UConn. But the TV $$ will decide...the B12 is in a tough spot as these adds are after thoughts.

(03-06-2013 11:49 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  "That's exactly one of the questions we'll be asking ourselves,” Bowlsby said Wednesday. “Look at Maryland and Rutgers. They don't bring programs that are of the ilk of the others in the Big Ten. The philosophy clearly is: ‘As members of the Big Ten we can grow them.' "

If the Big XII thinks they can grow brands then UCF and USF would be the ideal candidates to attempt that.

I think the implication was that there was doubt that they could or should. I suspect most of the conference doesn't even want to ask that question. Its pretty hard being the #4 school, even in states like California, Texas or Florida.

(05-02-2013 01:37 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  Large state universities aren't just a "market demographic"...they also have alumni ties.

UCF and USF are larger schools than FSU (by about 10 thou) and Miami (by about 30 thou). They may not be able to sniff at the national appeal of the Noles and Canes...but you have tens of thousands of loyal alums (mainly in Florida) who care about their old college teams. Now...put their old schools in games against formidable national squads like Texas, TCU, OkSt, Oklahoma...instead of Rutgers, UConn, Temple, and Pitt...and the move isn't so outlandish.

It would certainly help USF and UCF, no doubt. It would help any school to be associated with the likes you mentioned. I'm trying to figure out how it helps the Big XII. TV is the only answer. It certainly does nothing for WVU and stretches travel even further for them as well as all of the other conference mates. Maybe it's worth it. Who knows?

(05-02-2013 06:58 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 03:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Is likely untrue, but as has been pointed out on the BE boards, the combined markets of Tampa/Orlando are a MEGA market, a top 5 US market.

Or they could take Temple and get the #3 market and still have 1 school left that could be UConn, Cincy or BYU.

There is no credibility to this blog. I thought it had been established a year ago that tuxedo Yoda was the Dude from WV. He can't talk about the ACC any more so he's coming up with rumors that are still GOR feasible.

Chicago is #3 by half a mil. However the Chicago metro population is over 50% larger than Philadelphia's metro population.

If the B12 was even considering Temple they would do better with NIU...but only if adding UC. Much closer for all except WV.

UCF and USF to the Big XII actually doesn't end the AAC as USF and UCF are considered "B Tier" schools in that conference's TV deal (the A list: UConn, Temple, UH, UC).

If USF and UCF leave, there is a decent chance that the AAC chooses NOT to backfill - and instead splits the money between fewer mouths.

USF and UCF to the Big XII isn't really going to happen - even if it does make sense.

(03-04-2013 04:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I tend to agree with the ECU fan that made the point to the effect of "If they really were this incredibly valuable/powerhouse combo that Fox would be willing to shell out millions of dollars for inclusion in a power conference ....why is the just made nBE deal so lousy?"

Sorry, just can't see the U_F twins adding the kind of real value to the B12 pie for that conference to consider their inclusion.

I think the B12 is content to wait for the B1G's next move first to see if bigger, better fruit like FSU and Miami shakes loose before investing in the two directional schools.

TV contracts are a product of 2 things: market AND brand. Markets alone get you $1 mIllion to $2 million per team. Brand gets you the rest. Aresco League TV deal was all market because there is no FB brand as a group. MWC and CUSA are within that same range for the same reason. The best example is the SEC. It has predominately small markets with a few (Nashville, Birmingham) larger markets, but they have a helluva brand. Therefore, big bucks.

(05-02-2013 08:09 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 06:58 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 03:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Is likely untrue, but as has been pointed out on the BE boards, the combined markets of Tampa/Orlando are a MEGA market, a top 5 US market.

Or they could take Temple and get the #3 market and still have 1 school left that could be UConn, Cincy or BYU.

There is no credibility to this blog. I thought it had been established a year ago that tuxedo Yoda was the Dude from WV. He can't talk about the ACC any more so he's coming up with rumors that are still GOR feasible.

Chicago is #3 by half a mil. However the Chicago metro population is over 50% larger than Philadelphia's metro population.

If the B12 was even considering Temple they would do better with NIU...but only if adding UC. Much closer for all except WV.

Sorry but NIU is nowhere close to being considered for a Big Boy conference.

(05-02-2013 08:09 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 06:58 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 03:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Is likely untrue, but as has been pointed out on the BE boards, the combined markets of Tampa/Orlando are a MEGA market, a top 5 US market.

Or they could take Temple and get the #3 market and still have 1 school left that could be UConn, Cincy or BYU.

There is no credibility to this blog. I thought it had been established a year ago that tuxedo Yoda was the Dude from WV. He can't talk about the ACC any more so he's coming up with rumors that are still GOR feasible.

Chicago is #3 by half a mil. However the Chicago metro population is almost double of Philadelphia.

If the B12 was even considering Temple they would do better with NIU...but only if adding UC. Much closer for all except WV.

I have nothing against NIU, but ECU has a better chance of getting into the SEC (or Big XII) than NIU does the Big XII. It ain't happening.

Temple isn't all that close to WVU but they are reasonably close in this day and age. Even ECU is considered close. Cincy makes the most sense of them all. All of those schools would be considered long before NIU. WVU's needs will be considered (not that it dominates the choice) in any decision.

All that aside, I'm not sure that the Big XII is really expanding. I'll believe it when I see it.

(05-02-2013 08:13 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 08:09 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 06:58 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 03:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Is likely untrue, but as has been pointed out on the BE boards, the combined markets of Tampa/Orlando are a MEGA market, a top 5 US market.

Or they could take Temple and get the #3 market and still have 1 school left that could be UConn, Cincy or BYU.

There is no credibility to this blog. I thought it had been established a year ago that tuxedo Yoda was the Dude from WV. He can't talk about the ACC any more so he's coming up with rumors that are still GOR feasible.

Chicago is #3 by half a mil. However the Chicago metro population is over 50% larger than Philadelphia's metro population.

If the B12 was even considering Temple they would do better with NIU...but only if adding UC. Much closer for all except WV.

Sorry but NIU is nowhere close to being considered for a Big Boy conference.

and neither should Temple.