So the hot topic recently is how high school players shouldn't be forced to stay one year in college. So do you feel it should be fixed and if so how?

I like the parity these one-and-done's have brought tot he landscape but I find the whole rule a bit stupid so I have two ideas on how to fix it.

A) Do something similar to the baseball route, high school players are eligible to be drafted. BUT if they don't get drafted or opt to head to college if they are drafted, they must stay at least 2 years.

B) Change it to where they must stay in college 2 years and not 1.

I like rule A.

2 years of college minimum.

(02-23-2013 11:54 AM)mistabinks Wrote:  2 years of college minimum.

Except in football. 3 non-redshirted years there BUT I do think in the rare case someone is ready after 2 there should be a waiver process

An expanded NBA minor league system + rule A would be great IMO.

(02-23-2013 01:28 PM)Chappy Wrote:  An expanded NBA minor league system + rule A would be great IMO.

So something like each d-league team affiliated with an NBA team, etc? Would probably need to expand the NBA draft to 3-5 rounds if you did that.

Let them go when they turn 18. Simple as that. College's jobs aren't to be the NBA's farm system and most of these players are just wasting college's time and their time. If they are good enough to be drafted or in that discussion out of high school their career clearly will be professional basketball if not in the NBA overseas's somewhere so they just as well go on into it and start making money because an athlete only has so many years when they can cash in.

You look back to the era when players went directly from high school and the guys that were going to be successful came in and were successful KG, Kobe, Lebron. Even the guys like Stephan Jackson that didn't get in the league immediately made it a few years after so nothing was lost by that system. The "bust" stories still get a nice windfall of NBA money they wouldn't have gotten if they went to college and got exposed (Adonis Thomas) and they still find somewhere to play professionally oversea's and still make hoops a career.

Look at the hype Adonis had in high school, if he was allowed to go in out of high school he would have probably been a lottery pick, so how many millions did the system cost that kid?

(02-23-2013 01:28 PM)Chappy Wrote:  An expanded NBA minor league system + rule A would be great IMO.

They don't need that. It's called overseas basketball. People don't relize how many great leagues there are all over the world paying millions of dollars to players too play basketball. You don't have to go to some crappy minor league here and make peanuts if you are willing to pack up your life and play in China or Europe. There are probably a couple hundred boarderline NBA caliber players that bounce between the NBA and overseas leagues. In a couple weeks some of those seasons will be over and you will see them start signing 10 day contracts in the NBA and teams not in contention mostly taking a look at them so in a lot of ways those leagues are like a A+ farm system but one that pays killer money in their own right. Even washed up Super Stars like McGrady, Marbury, Arenas etc at the end of their careers are in China right now cashing in big. Iverson was in Turkey a couple years ago etc. Some of these leagues even offer boarderline NBA players more money and a few have taken it.

My opinion...

1. Kids should be draftable out of high school. If they do not enter the draft or do not get drafted, they must wait 2 or 3 years to become eligible...a la baseball.

2. Any high school played drafted must receive a contract worth $X per year for 5 years. This would force teams to not roll the dice in someone because there is a significant stake. The only way this contract can be voided is by a certain level of criminal activity (not busted smoking weed) or gross dumbassery.

Basically forcing them to go to college is dumb and un-american. Unless they go the Brandon Jennings or Jeremy Tyler route then they are placed into a Nerlens Noel/Anthony Bennett situation. Those guys should have been in the NBA this season.

Raising the age isn't to protect the kids. Many of them would come out better off because like you said the NBA would roll the dice on a lot of them that might otherwise not have get drafted if they went to college. They also get an extra year of earnings which is significant when you only have tops of 15-20 years to play and usually less than 10 years.

These age restrictions boil down to 2 things.

#1 the Players Union trying to protect the jobs of 30 something year olds that would be forced out of the league with teams sitting on players that might not be as good but have more upside.

#2 the NBA executives wanting colleges to do their farming so they get a year to see them vs better competition and you don't have as many bust.

I really think the one and dones is worse for college basketball and puts schools that recruit at that level in a tough spot. Sure it can work out but a lot of times it doesn't. You let who ever is going to go go and the Dukes, UNC's etc are still going to get the best available players. Truthfully they probably wouldn't miss the headaches.

(02-23-2013 02:28 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  My opinion...

1. Kids should be draftable out of high school. If they do not enter the draft or do not get drafted, they must wait 2 or 3 years to become eligible...a la baseball.

2. Any high school played drafted must receive a contract worth $X per year for 5 years. This would force teams to not roll the dice in someone because there is a significant stake. The only way this contract can be voided is by a certain level of criminal activity (not busted smoking weed) or gross dumbassery.

The NBA Draft is too small for #1 to work.

-Only a few high school kids are going to get drafted each year. It isn't like baseball where every elite high school player gets drafted.

-More than anyone, it would hurt the mid to late second round type picks. Because getting drafted is so difficult, it isn't fair to make a kid wait another year or two if they may get selected. That opportunity could easily be gone by the next draft.

Leave everything as is, just get rid of the "one year out of high school" bull****. There isn't a league that is harder to break into. Let the kids take advantage of their opportunity.

(02-23-2013 02:44 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  Basically forcing them to go to college is dumb and un-american. Unless they go the Brandon Jennings or Jeremy Tyler route

Two great examples. Jennings is just as well off as he would have ever been and even a guy like Tyler who everyone moaned about how bad it was for the guy to leave high school early. What did it hurt? He probably made several hundred thousands he wouldn't have otherwise dicking around in English 101 and College Algebra and he's still in the exact same place he would have been otherwise at the end of an NBA bench with real world experience in his occupation. Truthfully if he didn't get that international experience he might not even be as far a long as he is.

(02-23-2013 02:44 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  Basically forcing them to go to college is dumb and un-american. Unless they go the Brandon Jennings or Jeremy Tyler route

Two great examples. Jennings is just as well off as he would have ever been with more money in his pocket, and even a guy like Tyler who everyone moaned about how bad it was for the guy to leave high school early. What did it hurt? He probably made several hundred thousands he wouldn't have otherwise dicking around in English 101 and College Algebra where he didn't want to be, and he's still in the exact same place he would have been otherwise at the end of an NBA bench with real world experience in his occupation. Truthfully if he didn't get that international experience he might not even be as far a long as he is.

SJ took a jab at a Memphis player and no tiger fans jumped in? I'm honestly shocked

It's not a jab. It's reality. If he could have come out after high school he's a lottery pick and he would make about 12 million guaranteed. He's probably a 2nd rounder now and will be lucky to even stick in the league unless he improves a lot. He's the perfect example of a guy these rule hurt.

(02-23-2013 01:56 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 01:28 PM)Chappy Wrote:  An expanded NBA minor league system + rule A would be great IMO.

So something like each d-league team affiliated with an NBA team, etc? Would probably need to expand the NBA draft to 3-5 rounds if you did that.

NBA teams do not use the D-League enough. It seems like no teams send players down to the D-League. They'll just have the same player(s) inactive for 20-30-40 games in a row. Why not send them to the D-league? I went to a D-League game a couple months ago, and the level of skill was lacking, to put it nicely.

(02-23-2013 02:50 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 02:28 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  My opinion...

1. Kids should be draftable out of high school. If they do not enter the draft or do not get drafted, they must wait 2 or 3 years to become eligible...a la baseball.

2. Any high school played drafted must receive a contract worth $X per year for 5 years. This would force teams to not roll the dice in someone because there is a significant stake. The only way this contract can be voided is by a certain level of criminal activity (not busted smoking weed) or gross dumbassery.

The NBA Draft is too small for #1 to work.

-Only a few high school kids are going to get drafted each year. It isn't like baseball where every elite high school player gets drafted.

-More than anyone, it would hurt the mid to late second round type picks. Because getting drafted is so difficult, it isn't fair to make a kid wait another year or two if they may get selected. That opportunity could easily be gone by the next draft.

Leave everything as is, just get rid of the "one year out of high school" bull****. There isn't a league that is harder to break into. Let the kids take advantage of their opportunity.

You are totally misinterpreting my post. I'm saying to still allow high schoolers to enter the draft...like it was until a few years ago. However, those who don't enter the draft have to go to school for a few years.

To prevent NBA teams from loading up on has players late in the 2nd round and cutting them quickly...ruining their college eligibility...I would introduce some minimum commitment from the teams to the players.

I never proposed the NBA draft be a free-for-all like the MLB draft. Players still have to cjoose to enter the draft, unlike in baseball.

Not sure I've ever agreed with SJ this much. His opinion is dead on.

(02-23-2013 05:18 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  It's not a jab. It's reality. If he could have come out after high school he's a lottery pick and he would make about 12 million guaranteed. He's probably a 2nd rounder now and will be lucky to even stick in the league unless he improves a lot. He's the perfect example of a guy these rule hurt.

Just for the sake of discussion...Adonis' draft stock is definitely lower than it was in HS or even after his 1st year. However, the counter to your argument is that guys who have deficiencies that need work may be able to ultimately have a prolonged NBA career by being exposed in college and improving from there. AT seems to be improving, and could very well play himself back into the lottery over the 1+ years.