(02-14-2013 03:14 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 03:10 PM)motiger Wrote:  The difference between Will and Geron is one of them is a TEAM player! And thats what has helped us this year. Not just one hot shot. IMOP

I know that is so easy to toss out there.

I disagree completely. If we hadn't had W. Barton we would have lost a LOT more games last season. He carried our team through many games. Yes, he screwed up against St Louis, without him we wouldn't have gotten to PLAY St Louis.
In fact, if we are going to throw out opinions such as the above, I am willing to say we would have been NIT bound without Will Barton last season.

I agree that Will helped us out alot. Will was awesome, But Will not being a team player I think also hurt us quite a bit. You are correct that we might have been in the NIT without him. It was in my opion alot more than just the St. Louis game, Thats when it really showed. It was all year.

(02-14-2013 03:14 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 03:10 PM)motiger Wrote:  The difference between Will and Geron is one of them is a TEAM player! And thats what has helped us this year. Not just one hot shot. IMOP

I know that is so easy to toss out there.

I disagree completely. If we hadn't had W. Barton we would have lost a LOT more games last season. He carried our team through many games. Yes, he screwed up against St Louis, without him we wouldn't have gotten to PLAY St Louis.
In fact, if we are going to throw out opinions such as the above, I am willing to say we would have been NIT bound without Will Barton last season.

It's not a knock on Will Barton but what Geron brings to the table is probably the difference in potentially winning games in the tournament. Barton was good for what he brought to the team then but not to the level and intangibles that this current guy has

Will Barton was a team player.

It was an easy call to pick that this year's team was likely to be better than last year's team, because of the maturity of the Juniors and the additions...

But would have been even better with a Junior Will Barton...we would be undefeated...I believe.

the geron-rose and geron-reke comparisons need to stop. those guys were another level and i'm thinking if you make the comparison now you just can't see the difference in athleticism. Geron is probably as athletic, or close, to any other 2 guard in college b-ball (would be interesting to see him and Oladipu from IU on the court side by side to get a better idea). he will be able to hold his own with almost anyone. Rose and tyreke dominated others with their physical gifts as freshmen. They were like Anthony Davis or Blake Griffin but at the guard positions, if that helps you.

Geron is good but he is not like that.

(02-14-2013 08:46 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  This is why I voted DJ as MVP early on. Regardless of what we do now, if DJ had not carried us emotionally through the early part of the season nothing we do now would matter.

Exactly.

(02-14-2013 09:11 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I think Wolo is scared of Geron. Their interviews are always the shortest.

Might have something to do with Dave's inability to correctly pronounce the kids name. If I'm not mistaken its pronounced like Karen rather than Jeerin. It's irritating.

(02-14-2013 11:08 PM)jgardne Wrote:  the geron-rose and geron-reke comparisons need to stop. those guys were another level and i'm thinking if you make the comparison now you just can't see the difference in athleticism. Geron is probably as athletic, or close, to any other 2 guard in college b-ball (would be interesting to see him and Oladipu from IU on the court side by side to get a better idea). he will be able to hold his own with almost anyone. Rose and tyreke dominated others with their physical gifts as freshmen. They were like Anthony Davis or Blake Griffin but at the guard positions, if that helps you.

Geron is good but he is not like that.

Neither Evans nor Rose "were on another level" when they were in college their freshmen year.

Geron has many similarities between the two.

You have to be impressed with how far Geron has progressed through just over 20 college games played. Look at the stat lines from the past few games, then look around the country and try to find another 6'3" guard putting up 25/8/7 or 19/9/8, while racking up steals and guarding generally every opponent's primary ball-handler or primary scorer. He is an NBA player. It's obvious.

DJ is absolutely the soul of the team, and I agree with the previous posters who speak to how unique he is, and how his effort has elevated him from a novelty act to one of the primary glue guys in the nation - a role which is only supported by the insane athletic displays he puts on every single night, which have to get the entire team energized (as they obviously do).

However, the biggest story of this season is Joe's leadership. After Will's departure, I think the team started the year leaderless, and Joe was just trying too hard. It was frustrating watching the games in the Bahamas, and I honestly just felt really badly for JJ. The turnaround since he has established real floor leadership on the team has been amazing, and his season stats are pretty incredible for such a balanced team. His percentages and efficiency are pretty much off the charts, and you'd be looking for a long time to try to find a Tigers starting PG shooting a 54/77/49 split. Ridiculous.

I think the entire team is finally taking ownership and the leadership is coming from every direction. Chris has quietly turned his season around in the middle of this, and the overall attitude of the team definitely has a visible swagger to it that I haven't seen in a Pastner team yet. The ceiling is high, and I don't think a deep run is out of the question if this momentum keeps building. It's really gratifying finally seeing what you knew this group of players was capable of. Take away the one struggle at SMU, and you have strung together recently some of the most impressive displays of Tiger basketball I've watched under Pastner. If only they could've continued down the road they were on late in the season last year, when the passing and defense were so high-level before the stinker against SLU..

(02-14-2013 11:08 PM)jgardne Wrote:  the geron-rose and geron-reke comparisons need to stop. those guys were another level

Incredible...

The similarities between Geron and DRose are obvious...Of course DRose is on a different level now, which is obvious and so is Tyreke, though he's not on Rose's level either

No one is comparing them, however, Geron does certainly have MANY similarities to DRose...Many

(02-15-2013 01:04 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 11:08 PM)jgardne Wrote:  the geron-rose and geron-reke comparisons need to stop. those guys were another level

Incredible...

The similarities between Geron and DRose are obvious...Of course DRose is on a different level now, which is obvious and so is Tyreke, though he's not on Rose's level either

No one is comparing them, however, Geron does certainly have MANY similarities to DRose...Many

Geron is similar in that he's about the same height as Derrick Rose, and has a similar body type, I guess. Their games are different, Rose had much more of a mid-range, elevated and finish from 6-10 feet game than Geron does. Geron shoots a little better from the outside, but not as much as you'd think (DRose 34% 3Pt, Geron 36%).

But if Geron has the athleticism and skill of derrick rose, guess what? He'd be projected the #1 pick right now.

(02-15-2013 01:11 PM)jgardne Wrote:  But if Geron has the athleticism and skill of derrick rose, guess what? He'd be projected the #1 pick right now.

My God, no one is saying that Geron has DR's skill level...NO ONE...Geron is taller by the way...

Geron's athleticism, build, quickness, mannerisms etc. remind people of Rose...

(02-15-2013 07:59 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 11:08 PM)jgardne Wrote:  the geron-rose and geron-reke comparisons need to stop. those guys were another level and i'm thinking if you make the comparison now you just can't see the difference in athleticism. Geron is probably as athletic, or close, to any other 2 guard in college b-ball (would be interesting to see him and Oladipu from IU on the court side by side to get a better idea). he will be able to hold his own with almost anyone. Rose and tyreke dominated others with their physical gifts as freshmen. They were like Anthony Davis or Blake Griffin but at the guard positions, if that helps you.

Geron is good but he is not like that.

Neither Evans nor Rose "were on another level" when they were in college their freshmen year.

Geron has many similarities between the two.

they absolutely were on another level. Was anthony davis not on another level last year? What about bradley beal or MKG?

I don't even know what you're saying. Are you saying Geron is a #1 nba draft pick or Derrick Rose wasn't that good? either is insane. There was nobody in 2008 that you'd say "Oh, he'd have an advantage over Derrick Rose" about. A few people tried to say it in the ncaa tournament and then Rose eviscerated Augustin, Collison, Chalmers, Neitzel etc.

Just this year you can say the tigers do not have the advantage at SG if they play IU (oladipu) UCLA (Muhammed) Kansas (Mclemore) Kentucky (Goodwin) etc. etc.

(02-15-2013 01:15 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 01:11 PM)jgardne Wrote:  But if Geron has the athleticism and skill of derrick rose, guess what? He'd be projected the #1 pick right now.

My God, no one is saying that Geron has DR's skill level...NO ONE...Geron is taller by the way...

Geron's athleticism, build, quickness, mannerisms etc. remind people of Rose...

you're not saying it, memtigerbb is though.

(02-15-2013 01:11 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 01:04 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 11:08 PM)jgardne Wrote:  the geron-rose and geron-reke comparisons need to stop. those guys were another level

Incredible...

The similarities between Geron and DRose are obvious...Of course DRose is on a different level now, which is obvious and so is Tyreke, though he's not on Rose's level either

No one is comparing them, however, Geron does certainly have MANY similarities to DRose...Many

Geron is similar in that he's about the same height as Derrick Rose, and has a similar body type, I guess. Their games are different, Rose had much more of a mid-range, elevated and finish from 6-10 feet game than Geron does. Geron shoots a little better from the outside, but not as much as you'd think (DRose 34% 3Pt, Geron 36%).

But if Geron has the athleticism and skill of derrick rose, guess what? He'd be projected the #1 pick right now.

The three point numbers are not much different. However, over the last few games it is clear that Geron is settling in and is definitely a better three point shooter. Athletically, there is maybe one other point guard in the world as athletic as D Rose, Westbrook.

(02-15-2013 01:18 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 01:15 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 01:11 PM)jgardne Wrote:  But if Geron has the athleticism and skill of derrick rose, guess what? He'd be projected the #1 pick right now.

My God, no one is saying that Geron has DR's skill level...NO ONE...Geron is taller by the way...

Geron's athleticism, build, quickness, mannerisms etc. remind people of Rose...

you're not saying it, memtigerbb is though.

It's not even worth the time...Read the original post...

(02-15-2013 01:17 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 07:59 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 11:08 PM)jgardne Wrote:  the geron-rose and geron-reke comparisons need to stop. those guys were another level and i'm thinking if you make the comparison now you just can't see the difference in athleticism. Geron is probably as athletic, or close, to any other 2 guard in college b-ball (would be interesting to see him and Oladipu from IU on the court side by side to get a better idea). he will be able to hold his own with almost anyone. Rose and tyreke dominated others with their physical gifts as freshmen. They were like Anthony Davis or Blake Griffin but at the guard positions, if that helps you.

Geron is good but he is not like that.

Neither Evans nor Rose "were on another level" when they were in college their freshmen year.

Geron has many similarities between the two.

they absolutely were on another level. Was anthony davis not on another level last year? What about bradley beal or MKG?

I don't even know what you're saying. Are you saying Geron is a #1 nba draft pick or Derrick Rose wasn't that good? either is insane. There was nobody in 2008 that you'd say "Oh, he'd have an advantage over Derrick Rose" about. A few people tried to say it in the ncaa tournament and then Rose eviscerated Augustin, Collison, Chalmers, Neitzel etc.

Just this year you can say the tigers do not have the advantage at SG if they play IU (oladipu) UCLA (Muhammed) Kansas (Mclemore) Kentucky (Goodwin) etc. etc.

You seem to act as if D Rose and Evans came out of the gate dominating in every game they played. That is nowhere close to accurate. Both peaked in the NCAA tournament. Both had flashes of greatness during the regular season.

More than just that, the body type, size, athleticism, determination, etc. etc. are similar.

All three came into Memphis with an NBA body. Geron is an NBA player, the only question on him all along was his maturity level.

Geron brought much needed toughness and swagger to this team. I've never thought of him as either a Rose or a Evans. To me, if you must make a comparison, it would be Antonio Anderson.

(02-15-2013 05:34 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  Geron brought much needed toughness and swagger to this team. I've never thought of him as either a Rose or a Evans. To me, if you must make a comparison, it would be Antonio Anderson.

He has an AA mentality with a game similar to Rose.

(02-15-2013 01:11 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 01:04 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 11:08 PM)jgardne Wrote:  the geron-rose and geron-reke comparisons need to stop. those guys were another level

Incredible...

The similarities between Geron and DRose are obvious...Of course DRose is on a different level now, which is obvious and so is Tyreke, though he's not on Rose's level either

No one is comparing them, however, Geron does certainly have MANY similarities to DRose...Many

Geron is similar in that he's about the same height as Derrick Rose, and has a similar body type, I guess. Their games are different, Rose had much more of a mid-range, elevated and finish from 6-10 feet game than Geron does. Geron shoots a little better from the outside, but not as much as you'd think (DRose 34% 3Pt, Geron 36%).

But if Geron has the athleticism and skill of derrick rose, guess what? He'd be projected the #1 pick right now.

NOT so-fast my friend; I would start by saying that Cal played a BIG role as well in regards to Rose being drafted #1 overall.....Not saying Rose wasn't deserving of that by any means.....Just saying that the exposure along with his obvious abilities played a huge role.....

D Rose also had that prestige coming into Memphis as well...

Now when you look at Geron.....he also had some hype>but also had baggage that causes a player to be question by those that made the decisions to rate; evaluate then consequently draft players.....

I said in a previous post about the scope of our team next year....that IF Geron does NOT declare for the NBA after our run in this years tourney>Then I truly believe that We will WIN IT ALL next year...

Once in the tourney and the world finds out who Memphis IS......They're going to see the intensity of our team that's fueled by Geron....We don't YET fully know what his status will skyrocket to during our run.....But can you image....Memphis in the final four this year....Geron has had (2) triple doubles> while he's taking the assignment of"I wanna guard your teams BEST player" I would draft HIM #1 Because that's RARE air my friend....Oscar Robertson worthy....

Speaking of.....I really feel (On the debate of Rose & Geron comparisons)

That Geron is more valuable to this team than D Rose was

Shocker, I know.....Geron doesn't have as much speed or as high of a vertical that Rose has.....But the ability to get the ball out of the rim from one end to the other.....and either finish at or above the rim or get the assist, is just as IF NOT MORE IMPRESSIVE....And his vertical may be ONLY slightly lower than Rose's.....Geron's rebounds are incredibly impressive...

If it where a DUNK contest, I give the edge to Rose....But the fact that Geron is doing Rose-like plays on the court> As well as shutting down the opposing teams go-to-guy IS ABSOLUTELY OTHER-WORLDLY.....

I'm so glad he's a tiger And Another of the MANY reasons that I feel that We are soo incredibly fortunate that Josh fell from the Heavens to save our BB program

(02-15-2013 05:34 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  Geron brought much needed toughness and swagger to this team. I've never thought of him as either a Rose or a Evans. To me, if you must make a comparison, it would be Antonio Anderson.

AA was NOT a scorer @ ALL....offense was VERY limited....never came close to averaging double figures...In either category.....sorry....Nor could he handle the ball as the point...sorry No comparison