(02-14-2013 03:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Can anyone honestly say that when Pastner says "this is a really good team, with really good players, with a really good coach" it hasn't lost it's effect?

When you say that before/during/after the Rice game, then turn around and say it before/during/after the UCF game, what does it mean?

It has really become a joke with the local media now, they say it on the radio and laugh all the time.
I truly believe it has become a joke with Pastner as well, I swear it seemed he had a hard time trying not to laugh when he was saying it at half-time. Parrish couldn't contain himself. Wolo actually laughed out loud when he said it on the post game.

If everyone thinks it is a joke, don't worry about it and have a good laugh with the rest of them.

(02-14-2013 03:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:15 PM)ballen Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 07:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Funny thing is if I said the op was an email I sent to Jerry Palm I would have gotten a bunch of +'s but since it was used in a hypothetical "say this instead of that" the usual suspects take their digs.

You actually had some very valid points but if they came from the coach they would be considered biased. An email to Palm is a much better idea and I would love to see his response!

What?

So the "CUSA is really good, no really, SMU is a well coached team with some good players. UCF is a talented team and well coached" is (not only) seen as biased, but possible as straight up stupid.

People listen to a messenger when the message premise of the message is rooted in truth and follows a logical format.

When a speaker leads with something that is patently ridiculous, then the message gets lost because the listener can't get past the first statement.

I think you're worrying too much over a bunch of nothing. It will all work out in the end.

(02-14-2013 03:24 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 03:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Can anyone honestly say that when Pastner says "this is a really good team, with really good players, with a really good coach" it hasn't lost it's effect?

When you say that before/during/after the Rice game, then turn around and say it before/during/after the UCF game, what does it mean?

It has really become a joke with the local media now, they say it on the radio and laugh all the time.
I truly believe it has become a joke with Pastner as well, I swear it seemed he had a hard time trying not to laugh when he was saying it at half-time. Parrish couldn't contain himself. Wolo actually laughed out loud when he said it on the post game.

If everyone thinks it is a joke, don't worry about it and have a good laugh with the rest of them.

I actually did last night. When it was happening I just started laughing. Of course the flip side of that, if the "really good coaches,players,teams" figure out that it is just one big joke, they might not find it as funny.

(02-14-2013 03:26 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 03:24 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 03:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Can anyone honestly say that when Pastner says "this is a really good team, with really good players, with a really good coach" it hasn't lost it's effect?

When you say that before/during/after the Rice game, then turn around and say it before/during/after the UCF game, what does it mean?

It has really become a joke with the local media now, they say it on the radio and laugh all the time.
I truly believe it has become a joke with Pastner as well, I swear it seemed he had a hard time trying not to laugh when he was saying it at half-time. Parrish couldn't contain himself. Wolo actually laughed out loud when he said it on the post game.

If everyone thinks it is a joke, don't worry about it and have a good laugh with the rest of them.

I actually did last night. When it was happening I just started laughing. Of course the flip side of that, if the "really good coaches,players,teams" figure out that it is just one big joke, they might not find it as funny.

Hopefully by the time they figure it out, the Tigers will be 31-3 and off to the Dance.

(02-14-2013 03:25 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 03:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:15 PM)ballen Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 07:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Funny thing is if I said the op was an email I sent to Jerry Palm I would have gotten a bunch of +'s but since it was used in a hypothetical "say this instead of that" the usual suspects take their digs.

You actually had some very valid points but if they came from the coach they would be considered biased. An email to Palm is a much better idea and I would love to see his response!

What?

So the "CUSA is really good, no really, SMU is a well coached team with some good players. UCF is a talented team and well coached" is (not only) seen as biased, but possible as straight up stupid.

People listen to a messenger when the message premise of the message is rooted in truth and follows a logical format.

When a speaker leads with something that is patently ridiculous, then the message gets lost because the listener can't get past the first statement.

I think you're worrying too much over a bunch of nothing. It will all work out in the end.

Sure, I am just providing give and take with others in this thread.

If Ballin thinks the OP, coming from the coach, is seen as biased, my response was just what does the "cusa is awesome and Goodman hasn't done his research" smack of.

More importantly, F CUSA. They screwed Memphis on the tourney this year and Memphis will be leaving CUSA anyway.

(02-14-2013 03:35 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 03:25 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 03:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:15 PM)ballen Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 07:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Funny thing is if I said the op was an email I sent to Jerry Palm I would have gotten a bunch of +'s but since it was used in a hypothetical "say this instead of that" the usual suspects take their digs.

You actually had some very valid points but if they came from the coach they would be considered biased. An email to Palm is a much better idea and I would love to see his response!

What?

So the "CUSA is really good, no really, SMU is a well coached team with some good players. UCF is a talented team and well coached" is (not only) seen as biased, but possible as straight up stupid.

People listen to a messenger when the message premise of the message is rooted in truth and follows a logical format.

When a speaker leads with something that is patently ridiculous, then the message gets lost because the listener can't get past the first statement.

I think you're worrying too much over a bunch of nothing. It will all work out in the end.

Sure, I am just providing give and take with others in this thread.

If Ballin thinks the OP, coming from the coach, is seen as biased, my response was just what does the "cusa is awesome and Goodman hasn't done his research" smack of.

More importantly, F CUSA. They screwed Memphis on the tourney this year and Memphis will be leaving CUSA anyway.

C-USA has been good for our program overall (including the basketball program), but I am very much ready to be out of here. It will be so nice to no longer have to read/hear that our conference is "absolutely putrid" or to have to read bubble watch articles where we are listed at the very bottom in the "best of the rest" section. We aren't going to a great basketball conference, but at least we will be with Cindy, UConn and Temple. They won't be able to trash a conference with those programs in it (at least I don't think they will).

I'm now of the opinion that we should just stop talking about it because I'm now sure he's just doing it to screw with people.

(02-13-2013 10:38 PM)Blackman Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:26 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Oh yeah, there is no doubt it is just a joke at this point. He even screwed it up and Wolo started laughing...

Did the same thing at the halftime interview, even hesitated for a second and then finished, Parrish had as large of a smile as his mouth makes during it.

I am surprised that people have not figured this out yet.

It’s his way of throwing a big middle finger to those complaining about what he is saying.

Cal had the "miserables and yard signs", Josh has this. Entertaining.....

(02-14-2013 06:14 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:38 PM)Blackman Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:26 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Oh yeah, there is no doubt it is just a joke at this point. He even screwed it up and Wolo started laughing...

Did the same thing at the halftime interview, even hesitated for a second and then finished, Parrish had as large of a smile as his mouth makes during it.

I am surprised that people have not figured this out yet.

It’s his way of throwing a big middle finger to those complaining about what he is saying.

Cal had the "miserables and yard signs", Josh has this. Entertaining.....

Yeah, I got so sick of hearing about the freaking imaginary yard signs.

(02-14-2013 03:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Can anyone honestly say that when Pastner says "this is a really good team, with really good players, with a really good coach" it hasn't lost it's effect?

When you say that before/during/after the Rice game, then turn around and say it before/during/after the UCF game, what does it mean?

It has really become a joke with the local media now, they say it on the radio and laugh all the time.
I truly believe it has become a joke with Pastner as well, I swear it seemed he had a hard time trying not to laugh when he was saying it at half-time. Parrish couldn't contain himself. Wolo actually laughed out loud when he said it on the post game.

Case in point, from Don Wade in today's Daily News:

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"So Josh Pastner’s latest post-game conference is just about to start, this one after a 93-71 victory over Central Florida on Wednesday, Feb. 13, a game the Tigers led by as many as 34 points.

Before I can sit down a colleague stops me and says with a smile, 'They’re a good team, good players.'

I smile and say, 'They’re well-coached. That’s a good win.'

He replies, 'Donnie Jones (the UCF coach) is a good friend of mine.'

As I settle into my chair, another colleague smirks, leans in and whispers, 'That’s a good win. Good players, good coach … .'

And on and on it goes until Pastner sits down behind the microphone and, no kidding, says: 'That’s a good team we just played. A well-coached team … Donnie’s a dear friend … good players, high-level team … that’s a good win.'

No, we don’t even need the coach to do his press conference anymore. We know the lines by heart, including how in Conference USA Memphis is everybody’s 'World Series' and 'Super Bowl' and this time, in a nice addition, 'their Stanley Cup and Master’s championship.' ”
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As, I think it was, missjtiger once said, talking in front of a camera is not his strong suit. But at least when he gets done, people are smiling or rolling their eyes, not loathing him AND the team AND the fans because of what kind of person he is, at least, perceived to be. Anyone still remember that effect? I do.

I think saying that kind of stuff over and over sounds dumb, but I'm gonna have to go along with the majority here. As long as we're winning, it's immaterial. And if he ever says that stuff after winning an NC, we'll all be laughing at it more than anyone else.

I guess he is just supposed to tell everyone how bad the conference really is. Great idea! We really don't deserve a decent NCAA seed (on national ranking) because these teams really suck and we haven't beat anyone good. I think it shows a lack of class complimenting other teams coaches and players.

He's also too nice. He can't get decent recruits because he doesn't talk poorly of his own players. He needs to tell everyone how they suck also.

You people are brilliant!

(02-16-2013 12:10 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I guess he is just supposed to tell everyone how bad the conference really is. Great idea! We really don't deserve a decent NCAA seed (on national ranking) because these teams really suck and we haven't beat anyone good. I think it shows a lack of class complimenting other teams coaches and players.

He's also too nice. He can't get decent recruits because he doesn't talk poorly of his own players. He needs to tell everyone how they suck also.

You people are brilliant!

Why do people keep saying that like it is the only option?
Does that mean in your experience, if you arent saying something really nice, you have to say something really bad?


Everytime I see someone say "what is he supposed to say CUSA SUCKS?" I just shake my head.

When your wife gets a really bad haircut you don't tell her it is really bad. But if you are going out of your way to lie and tell her how great it looks, you are just lying for the sake of lying.

If she ASKS, well of course you say, "it looks great honey". Otherwise you just pretend nothing changed and talk about how nice her butt looks in her new jeans which isn't a lie.


I am guessing you didn't even bother to read the OP and just the title.

If you HAD read the OP, you would have seen he wrote something a coach can say without BELITTLING the other teams AND (WAIT FOR IT) without LYING about the other teams as well.

Why would any person say what another wants him to say?

Haters gonna hate. Just win baby!

(02-16-2013 01:04 PM)Phillip26r Wrote:  Why would any person say what another wants him to say?

Yeah, people wanting to hear the basketball coach talk about basketball is so unfair to the coach.

(02-16-2013 01:07 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 01:04 PM)Phillip26r Wrote:  Why would any person say what another wants him to say?

Yeah, people wanting to hear the basketball coach talk about basketball is so unfair to the coach.

You missed my point grasshopper.

(02-16-2013 12:54 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 12:10 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I guess he is just supposed to tell everyone how bad the conference really is. Great idea! We really don't deserve a decent NCAA seed (on national ranking) because these teams really suck and we haven't beat anyone good. I think it shows a lack of class complimenting other teams coaches and players.

He's also too nice. He can't get decent recruits because he doesn't talk poorly of his own players. He needs to tell everyone how they suck also.

You people are brilliant!

Why do people keep saying that like it is the only option?
Does that mean in your experience, if you arent saying something really nice, you have to say something really bad?


Everytime I see someone say "what is he supposed to say CUSA SUCKS?" I just shake my head.

When your wife gets a really bad haircut you don't tell her it is really bad. But if you are going out of your way to lie and tell her how great it looks, you are just lying for the sake of lying.

If she ASKS, well of course you say, "it looks great honey". Otherwise you just pretend nothing changed and talk about how nice her butt looks in her new jeans which isn't a lie.


I am guessing you didn't even bother to read the OP and just the title.

If you HAD read the OP, you would have seen he wrote something a coach can say without BELITTLING the other teams AND (WAIT FOR IT) without LYING about the other teams as well.

Hate to say it, but I like a coach to have class... Winning with grace isn't easy... He says kind things about his opponents even if they suck.