(02-12-2013 09:18 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 01:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't apologize for a damned thing. I'm not the one with a totally ignorant view of what is actually happening. You're the one who is now on the wrong side of nearly every issue in America...but don't change...that'll just guarantee Hillary in 2016 and Corey Booker in 2024. Maybe by 2032 the 'new' Republican Party might get to be President.

It is sad that even with an issue like this that should scare the hell out of anyone regardless of gang affiliation that ANYONE would defend this nonsense.

He's just far too stupid to see what's really going on. He's more interested in defending his side no matter what injustice they commit (drone striking Americans? Ehhh that's fine because its Obama doing it....again if bush did it they'd lose it) than actually taking a step back and saying "hey, this isn't a good idea".

I wasn't a big Romney fan, I thought alot of the things Bush did, including parts of the patriot act, were VERY wrong. I can criticize my "party" for wrong doings when I see them.

If you can't even see the purchasing of 1.6 billion bullets by a domestic security agency as a "bad move", regardless of what they are claimed up be for, then you lose any and all credibility forever. Although, it's not like you had any credibility anyways so I guess just carry on little man.

(02-12-2013 09:25 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 09:18 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 01:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't apologize for a damned thing. I'm not the one with a totally ignorant view of what is actually happening. You're the one who is now on the wrong side of nearly every issue in America...but don't change...that'll just guarantee Hillary in 2016 and Corey Booker in 2024. Maybe by 2032 the 'new' Republican Party might get to be President.

It is sad that even with an issue like this that should scare the hell out of anyone regardless of gang affiliation that ANYONE would defend this nonsense.

He's just far too stupid to see what's really going on. He's more interested in defending his side no matter what injustice they commit (drone striking Americans? Ehhh that's fine because its Obama doing it....again if bush did it they'd lose it) than actually taking a step back and saying "hey, this isn't a good idea".

I wasn't a big Romney fan, I thought alot of the things Bush did, including parts of the patriot act, were VERY wrong. I can criticize my "party" for wrong doings when I see them.

If you can't even see the purchasing of 1.6 billion bullets by a domestic security agency as a "bad move", regardless of what they are claimed up be for, then you lose any and all credibility forever. Although, it's not like you had any credibility anyways so I guess just carry on little man.

There is not doubt the Left has given Obama far more of a pass than the Right gave Shrub. This guy is God to them. He farts rainbows and shats gold bricks.

(02-12-2013 09:18 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 01:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't apologize for a damned thing. I'm not the one with a totally ignorant view of what is actually happening. You're the one who is now on the wrong side of nearly every issue in America...but don't change...that'll just guarantee Hillary in 2016 and Corey Booker in 2024. Maybe by 2032 the 'new' Republican Party might get to be President.

It is sad that even with an issue like this that should scare the hell out of anyone regardless of gang affiliation that ANYONE would defend this nonsense.

An issue like what? The governmental military complex has far more dangerous things than bullets to worry about when they decide to cut off the hand that feeds them.

(02-12-2013 09:18 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 01:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't apologize for a damned thing. I'm not the one with a totally ignorant view of what is actually happening. You're the one who is now on the wrong side of nearly every issue in America...but don't change...that'll just guarantee Hillary in 2016 and Corey Booker in 2024. Maybe by 2032 the 'new' Republican Party might get to be President.

It is sad that even with an issue like this that should scare the hell out of anyone regardless of gang affiliation that ANYONE would defend this nonsense.

Exactly. I haven't seen any of these Prog fools explain why the DHS needs this amount of HOLLOW point rounds when our own military is limited to ball. Lenin had a word for people like that.

What's the shelf life of these bullets? Will they be useless in 5, 10, or 15 years?

The conspiracy theories are hilarious.

Why they are buying the bullets

Quote:Online rumors about a big government munitions purchase are true, sort of.

The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them -- roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States -- for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.

Published federal notices about the ammo buy have agitated conspiracy theorists since the fall. That's when conservative radio host Alex Jones spoke of an "arms race against the American people" and said the government was "gearing up for total collapse, they're gearing up for huge wars."

The government's explanation is much less sinister.

Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.

The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second largest criminal investigative agency.

ICE's ammunition requests in the last year included:

--450 million rounds of .40-caliber duty ammunition

--40 million rounds of rifle ammunition a year for as many as five years, for a total bullet-buy of 200 million rounds

--176,000 rifle rounds on a separate contract

--25,000 blank rounds

The Homeland Security ammo buy is not the first time the government's bullets purchases have sparked concerns on the Internet. The same thing happened last year when the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was buying 174,000 hollow point bullets.

Jonathan L. Lasher, the agency's assistant inspector general for external relations, said those bullets were for the Social Security inspector general's office, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.

Jones the talk-show host did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Wow are you dumb. If you honestly believe they are going to use 1.6 billion bullets for "training", you are beneath plant life level dumb.

But hey, if DHS says they are going to use them for training only, that MUST be what they are for right?
I mean, every government agency in history has always told the truth about everything they've ever bought or taken right? There have never been any alterior motives in the history of American government right???

I mean, if DHS says they are only for training, what other possible proof do we need right?? Give me a f.cking break, how gullible can you possibly be.

Are you going to tell me that their plan to confiscate assault weapons is really JUST for protecting kids? What a dumb response.

(02-15-2013 01:08 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Wow are you dumb. If you honestly believe they are going to use 1.6 billion bullets for "training", you are beneath plant life level dumb.

But hey, if DHS says they are going to use them for training only, that MUST be what they are for right?
I mean, every government agency in history has always told the truth about everything they've ever bought or taken right? There have never been any alterior motives in the history of American government right???

I mean, if DHS says they are only for training, what other possible proof do we need right?? Give me a f.cking break, how gullible can you possibly be.

Are you going to tell me that their plan to confiscate assault weapons is really JUST for protecting kids? What a dumb response.

Wow you are dumb. It's like you think they will be getting all 1.6 billion bullets at once. This is over 4-5 years. And going to more than one agency.

(02-15-2013 01:20 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 01:08 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Wow are you dumb. If you honestly believe they are going to use 1.6 billion bullets for "training", you are beneath plant life level dumb.

But hey, if DHS says they are going to use them for training only, that MUST be what they are for right?
I mean, every government agency in history has always told the truth about everything they've ever bought or taken right? There have never been any alterior motives in the history of American government right???

I mean, if DHS says they are only for training, what other possible proof do we need right?? Give me a f.cking break, how gullible can you possibly be.

Are you going to tell me that their plan to confiscate assault weapons is really JUST for protecting kids? What a dumb response.

Wow you are dumb. It's like you think they will be getting all 1.6 billion bullets at once. This is over 4-5 years. And going to more than one agency.

Well lets see.....the largest agency uses 17 million bullets a year. There arent that many other angencies out there, the police get their own weapons, so does the military.

Do the math on how long it will take them to use 1.6 BILLION bullets if between ever agency they use, oh let's be generous and say, 25 million a year total.

But yeah, buying this much artillery in a 10 month span while also attempting to wrestle away our gun rights isn't the LEAST bit suspicious!!!

Of course it's all for training! Who DOESN'T use hollow point bullets for training!!! F.cking idiot.

One year in Iraq required 70 million rounds.

(02-15-2013 03:06 AM)Claw Wrote:  One year in Iraq required 70 million rounds.

Bingo. That's a war zone where training is also required on a daily basis.

1.6 billion bullets in a 10 month span for a domestic watchdog group is utter insanity. Not to mention hundreds of millions of hollow points.

There is no logical explanation that involves training only and if you suggest as much, you are beyond dumb, you are criminally stupid because you will be an accessory to government corruption or worse, depending on what they really do with the 1.6 BILLION.

Training for DHS and the coast guard is NOT a logical explanation to any with even a shred of intelligence or critical thinking ability.

Ps, someone with a military or police background can better answer this question, is there any reason whatsoever to order hollow point bullets for training? I mean seriously, what sense at all does that make?

(02-15-2013 01:20 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 01:08 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Wow are you dumb. If you honestly believe they are going to use 1.6 billion bullets for "training", you are beneath plant life level dumb.

But hey, if DHS says they are going to use them for training only, that MUST be what they are for right?
I mean, every government agency in history has always told the truth about everything they've ever bought or taken right? There have never been any alterior motives in the history of American government right???

I mean, if DHS says they are only for training, what other possible proof do we need right?? Give me a f.cking break, how gullible can you possibly be.

Are you going to tell me that their plan to confiscate assault weapons is really JUST for protecting kids? What a dumb response.

Wow you are dumb. It's like you think they will be getting all 1.6 billion bullets at once. This is over 4-5 years. And going to more than one agency.

Sometimes a response isn't even necessary.