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RE: Tarik refused to re-enter the game in 2nd half?
You forgot the part where he wouldn't get any more tired chasing the 3 around the court.




(01-19-2013 08:08 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 07:59 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 07:39 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 07:31 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 07:23 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I dont see many 3's "quicker" than DJ.

You really think DJ can't guard a 3?

And Adonis is a 6'5 240lbs dribble driver, HAH, hilarious. Just because he sometimes passes up on a 3 and dribbles a few steps into the paint before missing his shot doesnt make him a dribble driver.

Neither is DJ which makes him just as good as Adonis in the "dribble drive" department.


Tell me DJ cant guard Adonis... I will laugh at that outrageous lie. DJ would OWN Adonis with his fallaway fade jumper. SWAT right back at him.

I love DJ but he has one of the slowest develping 3 point shots i've ever seen in terms of sheer time it take him to catch, adjust and shoot...Adonis' game is the dribble drive with power...He's the best on the team at that, along with Geron

The only point I'd agree with is that DJ could certainly guard Adonis but that wasn't the question I don't think...I think DJ could guard and defend and do a great job at that, against ANYBODY actually

Exactly right (not the adonis dribble drive). Now think about it this way. We are taking DJ and putting him on the 3. No doubt DJ can defend his man. So basically we lose Adonis' scoring, nothing lost on defense. Well, we now replace Adonis' scoring with Tarik. That to me is a more dependable tradeoff. So we lose nothing on defense and gain on offense.
Hard to argue that exchange. We might even gain a few rebounds in the end with DJ getting his 8 at the 3, Shaq getting his and Tarik snagging a few more. Adonis is really bad at rebounding, worse than any of the other 3 mentions.

DJ would have a very hard time guarding Geron and CCrawford...they would eat his lunch on the perimeter. He currently is not used to guarding smaller guys.

I love DJ to death but he does have limitations

Yeah...but DJ has heart! And if you look at the boxscore you can see that if we moved him there and put in Tarik we would have the same amount of points and more rebounds! No, no...it doesn't matter that he's played so phenomenal at the 4! We should move him out of there cuz Tarik played really well a while back. And Adonis doesn't dribble drive. Well he doesn't dribble drive in the sense of what **I** think that is. Yeah, yeah I get it...he catches the ball on the perimeter and dribbles into the lane, but that's not what I meant!

And don't you know that DJ is a better dribbler than Adonis? Haven't you see all those elite cuts and crossovers?! Bottom line: DJ should play the perimeter because that's the way it is. Yes, he will continue to get 5 blocks and 8 rebounds a game while he's running around the perimeter guarding a wing! Trust me! That's how basketball works! If you get rebounds and blocks when playing one position you will get the same stuff when you're playing away from the basket!
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RE: Tarik refused to re-enter the game in 2nd half?
Yea. DJ is definately not a traditional 4 but it would be a shame to take him out of a role that he has actually excelled at. He, more than any other player, has earned his time on the court.



(01-21-2013 08:46 PM)dan o Wrote:  
(01-21-2013 08:39 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  Score and defend a quicker man. You also take him out of the role as a help defender and shot blocker down low if he is out trying to defend a wing.



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(01-19-2013 04:19 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 04:18 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 03:55 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  Not this one. I wasn't sure before our first games, but it's become EVIDENT since.

I really think Tarik is struggling with that.

I dont see why it should be one or the other. They BOTH should start.

Uh, whose starting job should Tarik take?

The 5 or the 4.
DJ plays the 3.
Gerron the 2.
JJ at the point.

Why has Adonis been HANDED his starting role?

Tell me one thing Adonis does at the 3 that DJ cant do.

As has been the case in several seasons, we have tweeners at the 4.

Geron Johnson [or CC] has been more or less moving to the 3 in small ball

So, maybe we don't have any legitimate 3's or 4's, and I sometimes wish we did. But, we do have some very fine basketball players that can and do play multiple positions, but maybe not in the traditional manner.
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RE: Tarik refused to re-enter the game in 2nd half?
(01-21-2013 08:03 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  
(01-21-2013 07:44 PM)ballen Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 02:58 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  Just saw this on twitter.

8m Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner
Apparently Tarik Black refused to go back in the game when called upon in the 2nd half. Not sure what is going on with him.

Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner
Assistant coach Jimmy Williams went to talk to him, but Tarik said he wouldn't go back in the game.

So did Milner ever retract his statement?

No. He shouldn't b/c it's the truth. Pastner was just covering for him.

Not true and Grant Milner should retract it.
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RE: Tarik refused to re-enter the game in 2nd half?
(01-21-2013 10:32 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  Yea. DJ is definately not a traditional 4 but it would be a shame to take him out of a role that he has actually excelled at. He, more than any other player, has earned his time on the court.



(01-21-2013 08:46 PM)dan o Wrote:  
(01-21-2013 08:39 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  Score and defend a quicker man. You also take him out of the role as a help defender and shot blocker down low if he is out trying to defend a wing.

Shaq is legit and was playing the 4 spot. Hall played the 4 last year and also started most of his games.

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(01-19-2013 04:19 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 04:18 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I dont see why it should be one or the other. They BOTH should start.

Uh, whose starting job should Tarik take?

The 5 or the 4.
DJ plays the 3.
Gerron the 2.
JJ at the point.

Why has Adonis been HANDED his starting role?

Tell me one thing Adonis does at the 3 that DJ cant do.

As has been the case in several seasons, we have tweeners at the 4.

Geron Johnson [or CC] has been more or less moving to the 3 in small ball

So, maybe we don't have any legitimate 3's or 4's, and I sometimes wish we did. But, we do have some very fine basketball players that can and do play multiple positions, but maybe not in the traditional manner.

Shaq is legit and was playing the 4 spot. Hall played the 4 last year and also started most of his games.
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(01-19-2013 03:12 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 03:06 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 03:04 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 03:02 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Who is Grant Milner?

Sports intern for Channel 3, according to his twitter.

I remember when Glenn Carver reported that Jon Gruden was going to UT.

Exactly. Don't know how credible the guy is, which is why I put a question mark in the title haha. Although the photo is mainly what lead me to believe it may have been true.

To me the pictures says more to the effect of an injury . A person can view from any perspective they choose though .

Maybe the other player sitting down didnt want to go back in the game either .
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If Cal's lips were moving, he was lying. He was a pathological, sociopathic liar.
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(01-22-2013 12:27 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  If Cal's lips were moving, he was lying. He was a pathological, sociopathic liar.

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(01-21-2013 08:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner

DJ Stephens said Tarik Black came to the team before practice and apologized for his behavior Saturday, and said it won't happen again.

Apparently the players accepted it and all is well...Each player said how badly the team needs Black...Everything was much more relaxed too...Geron has become a positive, focused, voice of reason on this team...That's all from one of the players so I trust that...Good deal and glad to hear it...Every team has this...At every level...

If you think about it, this team hasn't had everybody playing well at the same time all year...If that were to occur, you've got quite a ride on your hands
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(01-21-2013 09:05 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  Cal lied a lot.





You have to dictate how YOU play and adjust to your opponent on defense...In any game.

They used to ask Cal if he'd watched film on the next team they would play...He'd say, "I'm not worried about them, I'm gonna play our game and worry about that."
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All the players, AA, CDR, Joey etc used to talk about that comment from Cal...Just that comment alone created swagger and confidence
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Jason Smith's article

Before the University of Memphis began practice Monday at the Finch Center, junior forward Tarik Black apologized to the team for his attitude in the second half of the Tigers' win over Harvard on Saturday.

Black was seen sitting emotionless on the bench as his teammates stood and cheered around him down the stretch in the Tigers' 60-50 win over Harvard at FedExForum.

Black had played just four minutes in the second half, contributing two points and four rebounds in 12 total minutes. After the game, Pastner said he wasn't going to "baby-sit" players and that those who don't produce will not play.

On Monday, after Memphis (14-3, 3-0 in Conference USA) concluded on-court preparations for its C-USA contest Tuesday against Tulane (13-5, 1-2) at FedExForum, Pastner said he planned to handle the situation with Black internally.

The team's third-leading scorer and rebounder, Black was a full participant in practice and appeared completely engaged, clapping in support of teammates and diving to the floor on more than one occasion for loose balls. At one point, teammates Geron Johnson, Chris Crawford and Shaq Goodwin went over to pick Black up and after he dove onto the floor.

"I thought he was really good (Monday) in practice. He had a great attitude. He was upbeat. I thought he had the right mindset. There's no doubt," said Pastner, who sat Black for a game in November after he walked out of a practice.

"You've got to remember we're dealing with college guys who are still in the maturation process. We look at guys and they're 6-7, 6-8, 6-9 and 245 or 250, and we just think they should be a certain (way). But some people handle pressure differently, and that's part of the reason for college is allowing you to grow and mature, make some mistakes and hopefully learn from them."

There's no question the Tigers could use a committed Black going forward, but they have proved they can win without getting big contributions from him. Still, Black is a valuable piece for a team that's arguably at its best offensively when he and freshman forward Shaq Goodwin are on the floor together.

Senior forward D.J. Stephens said he believed Black's apology was sincere and that Black is ready to move forward. The Tigers are seeking their ninth straight win Tuesday, hosting a Tulane team that boasts two of C-USA's top seven scorers in junior forward Josh Davis (third at 17.5 ppg) and sophomore guard Ricky Tarrant (seventh at 15.6).

"He'll definitely be fine," Stephens said of Black. "I mean, that's all a part of basketball. You always face a lot of adversity. You have your ups and downs. But the majority of the time, the most important thing is not the incident that happened, but how you recover from it.

"He's doing fine now. He came and apologized for the incident today before practice, and he did that on his own. So that showed leadership there and it showed that he's a brother of ours."
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^^^Glad to hear it J, thanks for sharing.
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(01-22-2013 12:44 AM)450bench Wrote:  
(01-21-2013 09:05 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  Cal lied a lot.





You have to dictate how YOU play and adjust to your opponent on defense...In any game.

They used to ask Cal if he'd watched film on the next team they would play...He'd say, "I'm not worried about them, I'm gonna play our game and worry about that."

All the players, AA, CDR, Joey etc used to talk about that comment from Cal...Just that comment alone created swagger and confidence
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Yep
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(01-22-2013 12:39 AM)450bench Wrote:  
(01-21-2013 08:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner

DJ Stephens said Tarik Black came to the team before practice and apologized for his behavior Saturday, and said it won't happen again.

Apparently the players accepted it and all is well...Each player said how badly the team needs Black...Everything was much more relaxed too...Geron has become a positive, focused, voice of reason on this team...That's all from one of the players so I trust that...Good deal and glad to hear it...Every team has this...At every level...

If you think about it, this team hasn't had everybody playing well at the same time all year...If that were to occur, you've got quite a ride on your hands

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(01-21-2013 11:29 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  
(01-21-2013 10:32 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  Yea. DJ is definately not a traditional 4 but it would be a shame to take him out of a role that he has actually excelled at. He, more than any other player, has earned his time on the court.



(01-21-2013 08:46 PM)dan o Wrote:  
(01-21-2013 08:39 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  Score and defend a quicker man. You also take him out of the role as a help defender and shot blocker down low if he is out trying to defend a wing.

Shaq is legit and was playing the 4 spot. Hall played the 4 last year and also started most of his games.

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(01-19-2013 04:19 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  Uh, whose starting job should Tarik take?

The 5 or the 4.
DJ plays the 3.
Gerron the 2.
JJ at the point.

Why has Adonis been HANDED his starting role?

Tell me one thing Adonis does at the 3 that DJ cant do.

As has been the case in several seasons, we have tweeners at the 4.

Geron Johnson [or CC] has been more or less moving to the 3 in small ball

So, maybe we don't have any legitimate 3's or 4's, and I sometimes wish we did. But, we do have some very fine basketball players that can and do play multiple positions, but maybe not in the traditional manner.

Shaq is legit and was playing the 4 spot. Hall played the 4 last year and also started most of his games.

Hall started because we had no one else. Now he rarely gets off the bench.

Shaq is starting as a 5. If he stays in the game when Black checks in, then, by necessity, he takes D J's spot at the 4.

Not trying to nit pick, just saying that "for several seasons" we have had tweeners or hybrids at the 4.
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Ironic that some of our players are being called drama queens here. Some of them are, but they have nothing on a small army of fans who post here.
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(01-22-2013 09:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Ironic that some of our players are being called drama queens here. Some of them are, but they have nothing on a small army of fans who post here.

Lord, if that's not the truth....and women get blamed for being drama queens normally....some of the men here seem to thrive on it. 03-lmfao

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If the young man has really turned the corner on his attitude the rest of the season, this team is definitely a Sweet 16 calibur squad...hang in there TB! 04-rock
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(01-19-2013 03:59 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 03:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
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(01-19-2013 03:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 03:13 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  HAHAHA, you're ridiculous. Just stop, you look foolish. Well, even more. LOL

btw, I noticed during the game that Tarik was the only player not to give Shaq dap when he came out. And, I guess you didn't see Tarik grabbing his head TWICE when he turned it over, didn you?

FIRE PASTNER

Your right its all on the players...Coach is perfect

NO one said anything about perfection. But, as long as you and the other handful of dolts keep blaming Pastner FOR EVERYTHING that you don't think goes right (key sentence), I'm gonna keep making you all look foolish with facts, reason, logic and objectivity. Oh, and a little knowledge mixed in. So carry on. I love to argue when I'm right. LOL

I don't blame Pastner for everything and you dont feel this has happened with too many players.

Not taking sides on this issue but the coach is the coach. He is in charge. The players do what he says if they want to play. If Tarik is unable to play that's one matter. If he want's to pull a Kelly Wise that's another. A player should do whatever helps the team. If he isn't helping the team he should want to stay out of the way until he can help the team. I don't see there's any problem. We don't know what Tarik's and coach Williams conversation was. Someone has to be the boss. A coach can't let players run the team as they do in the NBA. Maybe we'll know where it stands next week. The Tigers have a chance to have a really nice season this year and go deep next year if they can keep their heads on straight. That's a real chore for any coach. That's part of the reason he makes big bucks. Josh has the character to do the right thing as he sees it and I will back him until he proves me wrong.

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(01-19-2013 04:13 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 04:00 PM)Blackman Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 03:58 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 03:57 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-19-2013 03:55 PM)ballen Wrote:  Wasn't that the coach's fault? 05-stirthepot

I would take Shaq's trying to make something happen than everyone else's wait and see attitude. I can deal with the Tech because it comes from him having fire and going hard.
Yes. COmpletely different emotional stance.

And these are the guys Shaq, DJ, Geron you are seeing get more PT because of their go hard attitude.
Yep. I think Joe has that , too. Just not that vocal guy that team's need. But, he does a LOT right. The top teams have 7-10 of these kind of players. I like Wilson's demeanor, too. Not much seems to affect him. Adonis, ok. He hasn't let his poor shooting stop him from firing away. Shooters/scorers have to shoot, as long as they're good shots and in the offensive set.

The only way to break out of a slump is to... keep shooting.
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Too many energy vampires. He needs to make them all read "The Energy Bus" and focus on being pos-pos-positive!

He reminds me of Rob Lowe's character on "Parks and Recreation."



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