(01-21-2013 05:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  On the Coaches show last night Pastner said Tarik didnt refuse to play. Pastner looked down the bench to send someone in for Shaq, Tarik was sitting and frowning, so he chose not to play Tarik.

But somebody tweeted that Black refused to go in?

(01-21-2013 06:33 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 05:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  On the Coaches show last night Pastner said Tarik didnt refuse to play. Pastner looked down the bench to send someone in for Shaq, Tarik was sitting and frowning, so he chose not to play Tarik.

But somebody tweeted that Black refused to go in?

Actually, it seems it was a bit more than one of those tweet things.

See post #205

L. Jason Smith @TheCAJasonSmith
In responding to my ? on Black, Pastner started on Ferro: "Ferrakohn didn't play, but he was tremendous on the bench. He was pumping us up."


Memphis Tigers see big lead evaporate, come back to defeat Harvard, 60-50
By Jason Smith

In the meantime, junior forward Tarik Black, who sat out a game earlier this season after walking out of a practice, sat stone-faced on the bench down the stretch while his teammates stood and cheered around him. Black played just four minutes in the second half, finishing with two points and four rebounds in 12 minutes.
Asked afterward about Black’s mood on the bench, Pastner said: “We don’t have time to wait. Guys sometimes can be sensitive on things, but the bottom line is the caravan’s moving forward. Tarik is on the caravan, it’s just I’m not gonna baby-sit during the game. If you’re producing, you play. If you don’t produce, you sit.”

(01-21-2013 06:33 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 05:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  On the Coaches show last night Pastner said Tarik didnt refuse to play. Pastner looked down the bench to send someone in for Shaq, Tarik was sitting and frowning, so he chose not to play Tarik.

But somebody tweeted that Black refused to go in?

I just think Tarik was still fuming at himself over his pass into the stands just prior. Hopefully he wasn't tweeting while Josh was looking down the bench!

is tarik still team captain? pouting and crying on the bench while your team is winning isn't how a team captain and supposed leader conducts himself

(01-21-2013 06:58 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  is tarik still team captain? pouting and crying on the bench while your team is winning isn't how a team captain and supposed leader conducts himself

Never heard of a Team Captain being stripped of the title unless he leaves.

BTW, Tarik could have been in some pain. He did hit the court hard a couple of times.

(01-21-2013 06:39 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 06:33 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 05:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  On the Coaches show last night Pastner said Tarik didnt refuse to play. Pastner looked down the bench to send someone in for Shaq, Tarik was sitting and frowning, so he chose not to play Tarik.

But somebody tweeted that Black refused to go in?

Actually, it seems it was a bit more than one of those tweet things.

See post #205

L. Jason Smith @TheCAJasonSmith
In responding to my ? on Black, Pastner started on Ferro: "Ferrakohn didn't play, but he was tremendous on the bench. He was pumping us up."


Memphis Tigers see big lead evaporate, come back to defeat Harvard, 60-50
By Jason Smith

In the meantime, junior forward Tarik Black, who sat out a game earlier this season after walking out of a practice, sat stone-faced on the bench down the stretch while his teammates stood and cheered around him. Black played just four minutes in the second half, finishing with two points and four rebounds in 12 minutes.
Asked afterward about Black’s mood on the bench, Pastner said: “We don’t have time to wait. Guys sometimes can be sensitive on things, but the bottom line is the caravan’s moving forward. Tarik is on the caravan, it’s just I’m not gonna baby-sit during the game. If you’re producing, you play. If you don’t produce, you sit.”

Where does Jason Smith say Tarik Black refused to go in the game?

(01-21-2013 07:22 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 06:39 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 06:33 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 05:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  On the Coaches show last night Pastner said Tarik didnt refuse to play. Pastner looked down the bench to send someone in for Shaq, Tarik was sitting and frowning, so he chose not to play Tarik.

But somebody tweeted that Black refused to go in?

Actually, it seems it was a bit more than one of those tweet things.

See post #205

L. Jason Smith @TheCAJasonSmith
In responding to my ? on Black, Pastner started on Ferro: "Ferrakohn didn't play, but he was tremendous on the bench. He was pumping us up."


Memphis Tigers see big lead evaporate, come back to defeat Harvard, 60-50
By Jason Smith

In the meantime, junior forward Tarik Black, who sat out a game earlier this season after walking out of a practice, sat stone-faced on the bench down the stretch while his teammates stood and cheered around him. Black played just four minutes in the second half, finishing with two points and four rebounds in 12 minutes.
Asked afterward about Black’s mood on the bench, Pastner said: “We don’t have time to wait. Guys sometimes can be sensitive on things, but the bottom line is the caravan’s moving forward. Tarik is on the caravan, it’s just I’m not gonna baby-sit during the game. If you’re producing, you play. If you don’t produce, you sit.”

Where does Jason Smith say Tarik Black refused to go in the game?

Interpret it to suit yourself. I never said that he wrote that.

You implied [so it seemed] that an anonymous tweet was the only source for Black not playing anymore.

The interviews with Josh indicate that he was bypassed for more play because of a bad attitude.

(01-19-2013 02:58 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  Just saw this on twitter.

8m Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner
Apparently Tarik Black refused to go back in the game when called upon in the 2nd half. Not sure what is going on with him.

Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner
Assistant coach Jimmy Williams went to talk to him, but Tarik said he wouldn't go back in the game.

So did Milner ever retract his statement?

(01-21-2013 07:44 PM)ballen Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 02:58 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  Just saw this on twitter.

8m Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner
Apparently Tarik Black refused to go back in the game when called upon in the 2nd half. Not sure what is going on with him.

Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner
Assistant coach Jimmy Williams went to talk to him, but Tarik said he wouldn't go back in the game.

So did Milner ever retract his statement?

No. He shouldn't b/c it's the truth. Pastner was just covering for him.

London Calling!

(01-21-2013 08:03 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 07:44 PM)ballen Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 02:58 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  Just saw this on twitter.

8m Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner
Apparently Tarik Black refused to go back in the game when called upon in the 2nd half. Not sure what is going on with him.

Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner
Assistant coach Jimmy Williams went to talk to him, but Tarik said he wouldn't go back in the game.

So did Milner ever retract his statement?

No. He shouldn't b/c it's the truth. Pastner was just covering for him.

Source?

(01-21-2013 08:03 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 07:44 PM)ballen Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 02:58 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  Just saw this on twitter.

8m Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner
Apparently Tarik Black refused to go back in the game when called upon in the 2nd half. Not sure what is going on with him.

Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner
Assistant coach Jimmy Williams went to talk to him, but Tarik said he wouldn't go back in the game.

So did Milner ever retract his statement?

No. He shouldn't b/c it's the truth. Pastner was just covering for him.

Really, why do you think Pastner would cover for him?

Score and defend a quicker man. You also take him out of the role as a help defender and shot blocker down low if he is out trying to defend a wing.



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(01-19-2013 04:19 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:18 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 03:55 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 03:44 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  Does any tiger fan not think that shaq deserves to start over tarik?

Not this one. I wasn't sure before our first games, but it's become EVIDENT since.

I really think Tarik is struggling with that.

I dont see why it should be one or the other. They BOTH should start.

Uh, whose starting job should Tarik take?

The 5 or the 4.
DJ plays the 3.
Gerron the 2.
JJ at the point.

Why has Adonis been HANDED his starting role?

Tell me one thing Adonis does at the 3 that DJ cant do.
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I also think DJ should play. I just think it is stupid to take him away from what he does well.

(01-19-2013 04:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:33 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:30 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  The 5 or the 4.
DJ plays the 3.
Gerron the 2.
JJ at the point.

Why has Adonis been HANDED his starting role?

Tell me one thing Adonis does at the 3 that DJ cant do.

Keep a guard out of the paint...He defended really well today. And you are willing to play a line up where only two guys can dribble. At least Adonis can dribble a little bit...And is a threat scoring off the dribble

Show me an example of Adonis dribble driving?

He catches the ball at 6 foot, turns and jump shoots. That is Adonis' game. I have just as much faith in DJ dribbling as I do Adonis. I have just as much faith in DJ's shot (more) than I do Adonis. I have more faith in DJ's intensive energy than Adonis.

I would take DJ in the 3 with the way I SEE him play over the way I SEE Adonis play every single day. I dont care which one has more "NBA potential". DJ is the better college player.

The real question is, why in the heck do you have a 6'5 165lbs guy guarding 240 lbs powerforwards?
DJ would thrive at the 3 doing what he does now at the 4, which is actually no difference than what they TRY to do with Adonis at the 3.

He catches the 18 feet from the goal takes a couple of dribbles then turns his back and tries to post up. He does a decent job getting closer to the basket when he catches it outside....Just cant finish.

Yeah ok, I dont consider that actually being a skilled dribbler. Especially when I watch him and he seems to struggle taking those 1-2 dribbles as it is. Throw in how creepingly slow he moves, dribbler doesnt come to mind at all.

Of course ever since DJ was a freshman just about every person who called themself a Memphis fan told me how DJ wasnt worth playing. So it doesnt suprise me to still see people telling me what DJ can and can't do. I am glad DJ doesnt listen to them either.

(01-21-2013 08:39 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  Score and defend a quicker man. You also take him out of the role as a help defender and shot blocker down low if he is out trying to defend a wing.



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(01-19-2013 04:19 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:18 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 03:55 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 03:44 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  Does any tiger fan not think that shaq deserves to start over tarik?

Not this one. I wasn't sure before our first games, but it's become EVIDENT since.

I really think Tarik is struggling with that.

I dont see why it should be one or the other. They BOTH should start.

Uh, whose starting job should Tarik take?

The 5 or the 4.
DJ plays the 3.
Gerron the 2.
JJ at the point.

Why has Adonis been HANDED his starting role?

Tell me one thing Adonis does at the 3 that DJ cant do.

[/quote]

As has been the case in several seasons, we have tweeners at the 4.

Geron Johnson [or CC] has been more or less moving to the 3 in small ball

So, maybe we don't have any legitimate 3's or 4's, and I sometimes wish we did. But, we do have some very fine basketball players that can and do play multiple positions, but maybe not in the traditional manner.

Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner

DJ Stephens said Tarik Black came to the team before practice and apologized for his behavior Saturday, and said it won't happen again.

(01-21-2013 08:48 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Grant Milner ‏@GrantMilner

DJ Stephens said Tarik Black came to the team before practice and apologized for his behavior Saturday, and said it won't happen again.

Ummm... We shall see. This sounds alarmingly familiar with a previous incident that "wouldn't happen again."

Hmmmm...

Nobody said anything about underestimating DJ except for you. But why would you take him out of a role where he helps the team the most. You spend so much time in thread after thred looking at INDIVIDUAL players and not the combined unit of a TEAM that it undermines some of the valid basketball points you make. It was already explained to you why a high - low game would be a poor game plan against a team like Harvard. We have used it effectively against other teams but good coaches know they can't do the same thing every time. It's the same idea as the most talented 5 may not play all the time if another player provides a better match-up issue for the opposing team.

(01-19-2013 07:01 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 06:59 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 06:57 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 05:06 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 05:05 PM)JTS Wrote:  Driving and being successful with it are two entirely different things

Ok...and that relates to JMSD's reply to memtigbb claim that Adonis never dribble drives how?

If what you call Adonis doing as "dribble driving"
then yes DJ can "dribble drive" just as good.
So I can still easily stick with I would start DJ at the 3, which IMO is the position someone of his size and skillset should be anyway.

Ok. Just stick to whatever it is you do and don't go near any youngsters trying to learn the game of basketball.

Hope that post made you feel like a big man or something. Not sure the point myself.

You guys have spent the last 4 years underestimating DJ. I am used to it now.

Cal lied a lot.

(01-19-2013 07:02 PM)450bench Wrote:  Shaq and Black don't have to just run the high low...You can run tons of sets with them, but you have to take advantage of their size down low...The high low has nothing to do with defending, or defending the 3.

The high low is great for attacking the zone...In fact that's where it began...It forces the zone to collapse which opens up the perimeter...

You have to dictate how YOU play and adjust to your opponent on defense...In any game.

They used to ask Cal if he'd watched film on the next team they would play...He'd say, "I'm not worried about them, I'm gonna play our game and worry about that." That's my philosophy too...Sure you have to be aware of the opponents strengths and weaknesses and exploit them on both sides of the ball but we have 2 guys that are 6-9 and weigh 260 lbs. who have high level skils and quickness...To not use that to our advantage EVERY game is terrible...Sure you make adjustments during a game but I'd like to dictate and dominate the paint...When you go 6-9 260, 6-9 260 and 6-6 240 all with high levels of skill, you take advantage of that and make the other team adjust

The high - low was created to draw 1 big away from the basket when a team has 2 good defensive bigs. This allows more room for the stronger finisher work. Now posting a big at the free throw line to accept a quick inlet pass and kick it back out to a shooter as the zone drops in on the big is made to break a zone. The big may also drop passes down to baseline cutters if the perimeter of the zone stays out but the interior makes the mistake of coming up to help on the big but that is not a true high - low either.

(01-19-2013 07:13 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 06:29 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 06:16 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 05:03 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  

(01-19-2013 04:59 PM)450bench Wrote:  Tarik needs to play...He's the best low post presence and our best low post scorer...Shaq and Black, Geron, Adonis and Joe...Everybody else gets good minutes subbing in and out...

No. Shaq has been our best low post scorer lately. And please justify why DJ should be put into a backup role.

You play your best players and Black is one of the best, if not the best player on the team...Shaq is obviously a quality player and is playing well...I just think you play Shaq and Tarik at the same time and run the high low...They compliment eachother so well and need touches...I think you have to have an inside out mentality on offense and when Black gets the ball in the paint he's proven to be tough to stop...He's also a quality shot blocker...He just hasn't played much and I think that's a crime

DJ may very well be the MVP of the team but in his role, he could do everything he's done coming off the bench...He absolutely deserves starter minutes, so I agree with that

Personally, I hate Josh's substitution patterns

Problem with the high/low is it works best against man. Most teams will zone us.

Again, the high low was created to attack the zone...