(01-10-2013 05:11 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 04:14 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Kind of reminds me of Brad Pitt's speech in Moneyball, "There are rich teams, and there are poor teams. Then there's fifty feet of crap. And then there's us."

What sticks out to me is not only the disparity of revenue between different conferences, but within the conferences themselves. Take Texas vs. Iowa State - that's such a huge gap that sticks out, especially how the Big 12 handles their revenue unevenly. The MWC and nBE also stick out, as UNLV and UConn dwarf the other schools by far, and to a lesser extent, WKU and the Belt. Among all conferences though, the MAC has the least range, only 13 million separates Ohio and Buffalo.

But on a relative scale, that's around 90%. Not trivial.

I've said it in other ways when I've pointed to Ohio's burgeoning season ticket based that the culture with regard to Athletics has changed greatly at Ohio from where it was in 1990.

1) Shaq of the MAC Gary Trent is an NBA lottery pick.
2) Pres Glidden hired in 1995 and immeadiately cans AD.
3) Ohio adopts the attack Cat logo.
4) Grobe has the football team going 8-3 in 1997.
5) Pres McDavis, former Ohio student athlete is hired in 2004.
6) Ohio makes first NCAA's in 10 years in 2005.
7) Solich arrives in 2005.
8) Solich goes 9-5 in 2006, most wins since 1968.
9) AD Jim Schaus from Witchita State is hired in 2008.
10) Jim Groce hired in 2008.
11) Ohio makes NCAA round of 32 in 2010.
12) Ohio wins Potato Bowl in 2011
13) Ohio makes NCAA round of 16 in 2012.
14) Ohio wins Independence Bowl in 2012.

Its been a very gradual evolution but Ohio is now on the MWC/new Big East level competitively and in budget. Even 10 years ago Ohio was only in the lower 1/3 of the MAC budget wise. Now Ohio buys home games in basketball and is playing 7 at home next year in football both of which will be tops in the league.

The Trent years were an important catalyst for Ohio because prior to that Ohio had not been a major player in athletics prior to the 1960's. A generation of alumni grew up with a school that didn't have big time athletics.

Ohio's budget is at the Top of the MAC and would be near the Top of the MAC in other G5 conferences.

Sun Belt (#1)
MAC (#1)
CUSA (#3-only 2.5 mil from the top)
MWC (#8-only 2.5 mil behind Boise St)
BE (#10-about 1 mil above Tulane)

Ohio is a legit, not abstract but a legit candidate now for the Big East. The Big East is looking at Tulsa as the next all sport member and if they can do it with a 25k seater a small Peden is no longer an issue for Ohio.

(01-10-2013 02:11 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  I'd like to see this compared to costs, to see who is and isn't making a profit. Isn't it about 15 BCS teams are in the black and every other D1 CFB team is in the red?

Huskie John's link shows expenses as well as level of subsidy for years from 2006-2011.

(01-10-2013 06:40 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 05:11 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 04:14 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Kind of reminds me of Brad Pitt's speech in Moneyball, "There are rich teams, and there are poor teams. Then there's fifty feet of crap. And then there's us."

What sticks out to me is not only the disparity of revenue between different conferences, but within the conferences themselves. Take Texas vs. Iowa State - that's such a huge gap that sticks out, especially how the Big 12 handles their revenue unevenly. The MWC and nBE also stick out, as UNLV and UConn dwarf the other schools by far, and to a lesser extent, WKU and the Belt. Among all conferences though, the MAC has the least range, only 13 million separates Ohio and Buffalo.

But on a relative scale, that's around 90%. Not trivial.

I've said it in other ways when I've pointed to Ohio's burgeoning season ticket based that the culture with regard to Athletics has changed greatly at Ohio from where it was in 1990.

1) Shaq of the MAC Gary Trent is an NBA lottery pick.
2) Pres Glidden hired in 1995 and immeadiately cans AD.
3) Ohio adopts the attack Cat logo.
4) Grobe has the football team going 8-3 in 1997.
5) Pres McDavis, former Ohio student athlete is hired in 2004.
6) Ohio makes first NCAA's in 10 years in 2005.
7) Solich arrives in 2005.
8) Solich goes 9-5 in 2006, most wins since 1968.
9) AD Jim Schaus from Witchita State is hired in 2008.
10) Jim Groce hired in 2008.
11) Ohio makes NCAA round of 32 in 2010.
12) Ohio wins Potato Bowl in 2011
13) Ohio makes NCAA round of 16 in 2012.
14) Ohio wins Independence Bowl in 2012.

Its been a very gradual evolution but Ohio is now on the MWC/new Big East level competitively and in budget. Even 10 years ago Ohio was only in the lower 1/3 of the MAC budget wise. Now Ohio buys home games in basketball and is playing 7 at home next year in football both of which will be tops in the league.

The Trent years were an important catalyst for Ohio because prior to that Ohio had not been a major player in athletics prior to the 1960's. A generation of alumni grew up with a school that didn't have big time athletics.

Ohio's budget is at the Top of the MAC and would be near the Top of the MAC in other G5 conferences.

Sun Belt (#1)
MAC (#1)
CUSA (#3-only 2.5 mil from the top)
MWC (#8-only 2.5 mil behind Boise St)
BE (#10-about 1 mil above Tulane)

Ohio is a legit, not abstract but a legit candidate now for the Big East. The Big East is looking at Tulsa as the next all sport member and if they can do it with a 25k seater a small Peden is no longer an issue for Ohio.

Oh, this is a "puurrfect" time for Ohio to jump to the Big East. By all means, go for it.

(01-10-2013 05:11 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 04:14 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Kind of reminds me of Brad Pitt's speech in Moneyball, "There are rich teams, and there are poor teams. Then there's fifty feet of crap. And then there's us."

What sticks out to me is not only the disparity of revenue between different conferences, but within the conferences themselves. Take Texas vs. Iowa State - that's such a huge gap that sticks out, especially how the Big 12 handles their revenue unevenly. The MWC and nBE also stick out, as UNLV and UConn dwarf the other schools by far, and to a lesser extent, WKU and the Belt. Among all conferences though, the MAC has the least range, only 13 million separates Ohio and Buffalo.

But on a relative scale, that's around 90%. Not trivial.

Oh yes, the differences are very large from a logical point of view, but compared to the other conferences it's minuscule. Texas dwarfs 296% of Iowa State's revenue, which is just ridiculous, and makes the MAC look like small potatoes in comparison. It's one reason why the MAC has been so competitive, the institutions are so similar that it's hard to stand out for extended lengths of time, like Texas/OU have done with Baylor, Tech, etc.

While you'd have to go way back in American history to fix it, it probably would've been better off for states to adopt a SUNY system of higher education. If not that, then at least Indiana, where IU and Purdue are large but have distinct differences in curriculum. Then from an athletic and academic standpoint there wouldn't be nearly as much favoritism. In Missouri, Mizzou has always been the biggest player, with directional or commuter schools making up the rest. That's changed in the last twenty years when Missouri State rose from its SW Missouri State roots, and became a more legitimate institution, along with Truman State (formerly NE Missouri State) and Missouri S&T (Missouri - Rolla) to an extent. Heck, the MO State name change from SW alone took almost a decade, and it only happened because the governor was a Springfield native and MSU had to make a pact to not compete in similar programs.

(01-10-2013 04:00 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Here's my problem with this list - no link as to the source. Total Revenues are often calculated differently at different schools.

We could be comparing apples to snowshoes.

Here you go!!!!

(01-10-2013 09:37 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 04:00 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Here's my problem with this list - no link as to the source. Total Revenues are often calculated differently at different schools.

We could be comparing apples to snowshoes.

Here you go!!!!

Nice link:

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MAC teams are close enough together where its hard to repeat. You don't see that in other conferences where its the same team winning every year.

(01-10-2013 08:21 PM)FlashFan Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 06:40 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 05:11 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  [quote='Love and Honor' pid='8817176' dateline='1357852449']
Kind of reminds me of Brad Pitt's speech in Moneyball, "There are rich teams, and there are poor teams. Then there's fifty feet of crap. And then there's us."

What sticks out to me is not only the disparity of revenue between different conferences, but within the conferences themselves. Take Texas vs. Iowa State - that's such a huge gap that sticks out, especially how the Big 12 handles their revenue unevenly. The MWC and nBE also stick out, as UNLV and UConn dwarf the other schools by far, and to a lesser extent, WKU and the Belt. Among all conferences though, the MAC has the least range, only 13 million separates Ohio and Buffalo.

But on a relative scale, that's around 90%. Not trivial.

I've said it in other ways when I've pointed to Ohio's burgeoning season ticket based that the culture with regard to Athletics has changed greatly at Ohio from where it was in 1990.

1) Shaq of the MAC Gary Trent is an NBA lottery pick.
2) Pres Glidden hired in 1995 and immeadiately cans AD.
3) Ohio adopts the attack Cat logo.
4) Grobe has the football team going 8-3 in 1997.
5) Pres McDavis, former Ohio student athlete is hired in 2004.
6) Ohio makes first NCAA's in 10 years in 2005.
7) Solich arrives in 2005.
8) Solich goes 9-5 in 2006, most wins since 1968.
9) AD Jim Schaus from Witchita State is hired in 2008.
10) Jim Groce hired in 2008.
11) Ohio makes NCAA round of 32 in 2010.
12) Ohio wins Potato Bowl in 2011
13) Ohio makes NCAA round of 16 in 2012.
14) Ohio wins Independence Bowl in 2012.

Its been a very gradual evolution but Ohio is now on the MWC/new Big East level competitively and in budget. Even 10 years ago Ohio was only in the lower 1/3 of the MAC budget wise. Now Ohio buys home games in basketball and is playing 7 at home next year in football both of which will be tops in the league.

The Trent years were an important catalyst for Ohio because prior to that Ohio had not been a major player in athletics prior to the 1960's. A generation of alumni grew up with a school that didn't have big time athletics.

Ohio's budget is at the Top of the MAC and would be near the Top of the MAC in other G5 conferences.

Sun Belt (#1)
MAC (#1)
CUSA (#3-only 2.5 mil from the top)
MWC (#8-only 2.5 mil behind Boise St)
BE (#10-about 1 mil above Tulane)

Ohio is a legit, not abstract but a legit candidate now for the Big East. The Big East is looking at Tulsa as the next all sport member and if they can do it with a 25k seater a small Peden is no longer an issue for Ohio.
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Oh, this is a "puurrfect" time for Ohio to jump to the Big East. By all means, go for it.

If we left I would want to keep Kent State on the schedule every year in FB/BB for sure.

Again the problem with the MAC is the conservative spending philosophy. The Big East places no boundaries on spending. The MAC was okay for Ohio 20 years ago when we had the smallest budget in the MAC.

(01-11-2013 01:55 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  The MAC was okay for Ohio 20 years ago when we had the smallest budget in the MAC.

But now that they have achieved incredible athletic success at the MAC level in...uh, footb...wait, no, um, basketba...no, they've been better in the past, well, they sold thousands of football tickets to rise to the level of Big East attenda...oh, wait, no they didn't, hey, help me out here Louis!

(01-11-2013 06:42 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 01:55 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  The MAC was okay for Ohio 20 years ago when we had the smallest budget in the MAC.

But now that they have achieved incredible athletic success at the MAC level in...uh, footb...wait, no, um, basketba...no, they've been better in the past, well, they sold thousands of football tickets to rise to the level of Big East attenda...oh, wait, no they didn't, hey, help me out here Louis!

If I ever need a chuckle, I always come on this board and look at LK's last post. It always provides quality humor...

(01-11-2013 06:42 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 01:55 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  The MAC was okay for Ohio 20 years ago when we had the smallest budget in the MAC.

But now that they have achieved incredible athletic success at the MAC level in...uh, footb...wait, no, um, basketba...no, they've been better in the past, well, they sold thousands of football tickets to rise to the level of Big East attenda...oh, wait, no they didn't, hey, help me out here Louis!

They have that airport thing going.

(01-10-2013 08:20 PM)FlashFan Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 02:11 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  I'd like to see this compared to costs, to see who is and isn't making a profit. Isn't it about 15 BCS teams are in the black and every other D1 CFB team is in the red?

Huskie John's link shows expenses as well as level of subsidy for years from 2006-2011.

So you don't need to search the thread.

Google searched - USA Today NCAA athletic budget

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...54955804/1

why, oh why, can't he just keep his mouth shut and his fingers off the keyboard?!!!

(01-11-2013 10:19 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  why, oh why, can't he just keep his mouth shut and his fingers off the keyboard?!!!

His mouth MAY be shut but he probably has to say the words as he types them.

(01-11-2013 08:28 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 06:42 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 01:55 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  The MAC was okay for Ohio 20 years ago when we had the smallest budget in the MAC.

But now that they have achieved incredible athletic success at the MAC level in...uh, footb...wait, no, um, basketba...no, they've been better in the past, well, they sold thousands of football tickets to rise to the level of Big East attenda...oh, wait, no they didn't, hey, help me out here Louis!

They have that airport thing going.

Join the Big East and they'll need a bigger one.

Understand that these numbers mean pretty much nothing for MAC teams. Included in "revenue" is direct institutional support and student fees, which aren't what most people would consider revenue.

MAC schools tend to get >70% of their "revenue" from institutional support.