(01-02-2013 11:57 AM)#41 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:44 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  To be honest, Cronin doesn't really have a choice and he doesn't he like it.

Cronin needs to accept the reality that his wants and needs are second banana to football now and forever. If he wants to be top dog, he either needs to take a gig at a hoops-only school or put out a contract on Coach K and hope for a phone call afterwards.

While that may be true...Mick is going to win a National Title in his coaching career, it can be here or elsewhere but its going to happen. Im sure he would prefer here but he will only take backseat to football so many times in so many ways before he, like any of us, will look elsewhere for a better opportunity.

Right now I would say he has taken more than a couple undeserved shots on the chin and is still fighting.
- He got through most of the fan base not wanting and bashing him for 5 years
- He smiled and agreed to play Xavier despite saying publically he would rather never play them again ANYWHERE
- He watched a $15million practice facility be built for football while he struggled to get acoustic and graphics upgrades to the airplane hanger in the basement
- He is now watching announcements about football stadium upgrades while his basketball arena has 10 year old TVs SOME PLACES in the concourse
- He is under paid for what he has accomplished considering the horrible circumstances he willingly took on when no one else wanted to

I mean Im sure he has his breaking point as well. Maybe we are not at it yet, but we will be one day if some of this doesnt start changing.

(01-02-2013 12:13 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 11:57 AM)#41 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:44 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  To be honest, Cronin doesn't really have a choice and he doesn't he like it.

Cronin needs to accept the reality that his wants and needs are second banana to football now and forever. If he wants to be top dog, he either needs to take a gig at a hoops-only school or put out a contract on Coach K and hope for a phone call afterwards.

While that may be true...Mick is going to win a National Title in his coaching career, it can be here or elsewhere but its going to happen. Im sure he would prefer here but he will only take backseat to football so many times in so many ways before he, like any of us, will look elsewhere for a better opportunity.

Right now I would say he has taken more than a couple undeserved shots on the chin and is still fighting.
- He got through most of the fan base not wanting and bashing him for 5 years
- He smiled and agreed to play Xavier despite saying publically he would rather never play them again ANYWHERE
- He is watched a $15million practice facility be built for football while he struggled to get acustic and graphics upgrades to the airplane hanger in the basement
- He is now watching announcements about football stadium upgrades while his basketball arena has 10 year old TVs SOME PLACES in the concourse
- He is under paid for what he has accomplished considering the horrible circumstances he willingly took on when no one else wanted to

I mean Im sure he has his breaking point as well. Maybe we are not at it yet, but we will be one day if some of this doesnt start changing.

Investing in the football program is what will get us into a power conference. The additional money coming into UC after getting into a power conference will benefit everyone, including the basketball program.

(01-02-2013 12:18 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 12:13 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 11:57 AM)#41 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:44 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  To be honest, Cronin doesn't really have a choice and he doesn't he like it.

Cronin needs to accept the reality that his wants and needs are second banana to football now and forever. If he wants to be top dog, he either needs to take a gig at a hoops-only school or put out a contract on Coach K and hope for a phone call afterwards.

While that may be true...Mick is going to win a National Title in his coaching career, it can be here or elsewhere but its going to happen. Im sure he would prefer here but he will only take backseat to football so many times in so many ways before he, like any of us, will look elsewhere for a better opportunity.

Right now I would say he has taken more than a couple undeserved shots on the chin and is still fighting.
- He got through most of the fan base not wanting and bashing him for 5 years
- He smiled and agreed to play Xavier despite saying publically he would rather never play them again ANYWHERE
- He is watched a $15million practice facility be built for football while he struggled to get acustic and graphics upgrades to the airplane hanger in the basement
- He is now watching announcements about football stadium upgrades while his basketball arena has 10 year old TVs SOME PLACES in the concourse
- He is under paid for what he has accomplished considering the horrible circumstances he willingly took on when no one else wanted to

I mean Im sure he has his breaking point as well. Maybe we are not at it yet, but we will be one day if some of this doesnt start changing.

Investing in the football program is what will get us into a power conference. The additional money coming into UC after getting into a power conference will benefit everyone, including the basketball program.

Completely agree...and Im sure he does as well...but doesnt mean he wants to live with it forever

(01-02-2013 12:19 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 12:18 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 12:13 PM)UCMBA12 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 11:57 AM)#41 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:44 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  To be honest, Cronin doesn't really have a choice and he doesn't he like it.

Cronin needs to accept the reality that his wants and needs are second banana to football now and forever. If he wants to be top dog, he either needs to take a gig at a hoops-only school or put out a contract on Coach K and hope for a phone call afterwards.

While that may be true...Mick is going to win a National Title in his coaching career, it can be here or elsewhere but its going to happen. Im sure he would prefer here but he will only take backseat to football so many times in so many ways before he, like any of us, will look elsewhere for a better opportunity.

Right now I would say he has taken more than a couple undeserved shots on the chin and is still fighting.
- He got through most of the fan base not wanting and bashing him for 5 years
- He smiled and agreed to play Xavier despite saying publically he would rather never play them again ANYWHERE
- He is watched a $15million practice facility be built for football while he struggled to get acustic and graphics upgrades to the airplane hanger in the basement
- He is now watching announcements about football stadium upgrades while his basketball arena has 10 year old TVs SOME PLACES in the concourse
- He is under paid for what he has accomplished considering the horrible circumstances he willingly took on when no one else wanted to

I mean Im sure he has his breaking point as well. Maybe we are not at it yet, but we will be one day if some of this doesnt start changing.

Investing in the football program is what will get us into a power conference. The additional money coming into UC after getting into a power conference will benefit everyone, including the basketball program.

Completely agree...and Im sure he does as well...but doesnt mean he wants to live with it forever

Hopefully Mick realizes (and I think he does) that upgrading Nippert Stadium is the path to getting a bigger basketball budget, moving into a conference with larger media payouts, and ultimately renovating 5/3rd Arena in the future.

(01-02-2013 10:25 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  I hesitate to even post this, since this guy throws everything against the wall hoping something sticks. But just so you know its out there and for a good laugh here goes...


MHver3 ‏@MHver3
ACC is close to offering Uconn full membership and Cincy in FB only with provisions to join in all sports in the future.

31m MHver3 MHver3 ‏@MHver3
Both schools would receive a drastically smaller share if ACC tv revenues for quite some time.

29m MHver3 MHver3 ‏@MHver3
ACC was warned by espn that MWC was going to double down on both those schools in an effort to get some eastern penetration.
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The biggest surprise is that no one other than BC seems intent to try and stop it.
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MHver's tweets actually mesh with something I read in mid-december saying that UC and UConn would be offered shortly after the college bowl season wraps up.

If there is any truth to this there should be smoke at the end of this week or the beginning of next week as these things don't stay under wraps.

I still think realignment won't happen until after Maryland's suit is settled.

If you guys recall the tweet that started the fire storm from the beat writer in Tallahassee stated something like Louisville to the ACC with Cincinnati and UConn to follow. A poster (who I conversed with through PM's) on the realignment board stated that he has three sources in AD's that said UC and UConn will be invited following the bowl season. Take it FWIW.

Being as UC is pushing hard to get out of the Big East this shouldnt be too big of a deal. Even if Boise joined, that wouldnt have changed the Universities stance on trying to get out

(01-02-2013 02:05 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  If you guys recall the tweet that started the fire storm from the beat writer in Tallahassee stated something like Louisville to the ACC with Cincinnati and UConn to follow. A poster (who I conversed with through PM's) on the realignment board stated that he has three sources in AD's that said UC and UConn will be invited following the bowl season. Take it FWIW.

Cool . Lets hope this football only and at a reduced TV revenue rate is BS

Not that any of this makes any sense anyway, but I don't see why they would take UConn for all sports, and UC just for football.

Question about Boise not coming - will they have to pay an exit fee? Remember that TCU was supposed to because they had committed but didn't come. Did Boise ever get to the point that they were definitely in and would therefore have to pay an exit fee?

This isn't sour grapes or my saying we need to punish them. I don't blame them for not coming. It never really made sense that they were going to come east.

They were on an announced football schedule.

I would guess that is as close to a comittment as you can get.

(01-02-2013 02:05 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  If you guys recall the tweet that started the fire storm from the beat writer in Tallahassee stated something like Louisville to the ACC with Cincinnati and UConn to follow. A poster (who I conversed with through PM's) on the realignment board stated that he has three sources in AD's that said UC and UConn will be invited following the bowl season. Take it FWIW.

The Tallahassee beat writer tweet is the info I was referencing. I guess we can hope it has legs but I still think nothing happens until after the Maryland suit is settled. Would love to be pleasantly surprised.

(01-02-2013 02:20 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Not that any of this makes any sense anyway, but I don't see why they would take UConn for all sports, and UC just for football.

ND is admitted to the ACC for all sports minus football so I would guess UC would be brought in to fill that football vacancy (in lieu of the rumored Navy).

I could see UConn being picked for all sports over UC when you compare the two schools head to head in sports other than football...
UConn's men's basketball is better than UC's (natl championship in 2011)
UConn's women's bball program is way better than UC's

I'm not sure how the two programs compare in baseball, volleyball, soccer, lacrosse, track and field, etc.

If this scenario did play out with UC getting a football only offer, I do think Whit should approach the Big12 and let them know we have a bird in the hand and try and force the Big12 to make a move. I'd rather be all in in all sports than a football only member. But football only in the ACC is better than what UC has right now.

(01-02-2013 02:20 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Not that any of this makes any sense anyway, but I don't see why they would take UConn for all sports, and UC just for football.

There's no reason whatsoever, which is why the rumor is complete B.S. It makes the ACC seem even more "New Big East" to start having partial members all over the place.

I'll take ACC Football Only if it's how we have to start and wait to be next in line. Then go to the Cath 7 and say lets add Temple, UC, Memphis and two more of their choice hopefully Butler and say St Louis
for other Sports while we wait for the ACC total invite. Then when we leave they can have XU.
This way they add several Basketball powers and add good tv markets as well.

(01-02-2013 02:33 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 02:05 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  If you guys recall the tweet that started the fire storm from the beat writer in Tallahassee stated something like Louisville to the ACC with Cincinnati and UConn to follow. A poster (who I conversed with through PM's) on the realignment board stated that he has three sources in AD's that said UC and UConn will be invited following the bowl season. Take it FWIW.

The Tallahassee beat writer tweet is the info I was referencing. I guess we can hope it has legs but I still think nothing happens until after the Maryland suit is settled. Would love to be pleasantly surprised.

Man i hope this is accurate....

(01-02-2013 02:57 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  I'll take ACC Football Only if it's how we have to start and wait to be next in line. Then go to the Cath 7 and say lets add Temple, UC, Memphis and two more of their choice hopefully Butler and say St Louis
for other Sports while we wait for the ACC total invite. Then when we leave they can have XU.
This way they add several Basketball powers and add good tv markets as well.

Could work. Why not just add UC for a solid 8 team basketball league with double round robin play? Villanova would try to nix Temple since they're in the same TV market; X can wait. As suggested, this could be a bridge for basketball if UC gets a football only invite in the short run. Still though, split conference affiliations aren't ideal.

Someone explain to me why we would be a football only add to the acc?
I mean, i'd take it and put everything else with the C7 and that would work but why fb only to the acc? Our men hoops is great.

I am guessing that we could be the football offset to Notre Dame which is all but Football. ....If UCONN gets an All Sports invite etc. to even the conference numbers if that is what they want? Of course we would prefere am All-Sports, but we can hardly be picky... Basketball and the other Sports can succeed elsewhere at least for awhile.

Why would the ACC not want an all time top 20 basketball program?