Saw this on Hoyatalk:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?...utput=html

Link to thread:

http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/index.cgi...80&page=43

Shoot, and I was about halfway done with mine......

(12-30-2012 02:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Shoot, and I was about halfway done with mine......

Ha! I'm not even a little surprised.

Mr. Bragg, go ahead and finish yours!

(12-30-2012 03:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 02:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Shoot, and I was about halfway done with mine......

Ha! I'm not even a little surprised.

im sure there are spreadsheets like this going around every athletic department and presidents office in the c7. also probably includes sheets with academic reps and olympic sports sponsorship as well.
Every point helps, so school "a" that offers lets say field hockey or lax (or any olympic sport that the c7 needs more bodies), may give them a slight edge over school "b" that doesnt offer one of those sports.
it will be intersting to see how this plays out

(12-30-2012 04:27 PM)courtjester Wrote:  Mr. Bragg, go ahead and finish yours!

(12-30-2012 03:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 02:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Shoot, and I was about halfway done with mine......

Ha! I'm not even a little surprised.

I'm just going to take his and mess with it. I was thinking of something like Mr SEC's series on expansion candidates, but I don't know about an overall ranking system, because we have candidates who are either automatically in or out--either we and Gonzaga can manage the travel issues, and they're a lock, or we can't and their score just doesn't matter. VCU could be a similar situation.

We also have the more borderline cases--it'll be interesting to total up the scores and see exactly how well Creighton stacks up, how well Dayton and Saint Louis compare.

I was also amused that Wichita State was on the spreadsheet--either he reads this board, or WSU is pimping themselves all over the internet!

Shocker fans like to pimp themselves.

(12-30-2012 05:48 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 04:27 PM)courtjester Wrote:  Mr. Bragg, go ahead and finish yours!

(12-30-2012 03:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 02:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Shoot, and I was about halfway done with mine......

Ha! I'm not even a little surprised.

I'm just going to take his and mess with it. I was thinking of something like Mr SEC's series on expansion candidates, but I don't know about an overall ranking system, because we have candidates who are either automatically in or out--either we and Gonzaga can manage the travel issues, and they're a lock, or we can't and their score just doesn't matter. VCU could be a similar situation.

We also have the more borderline cases--it'll be interesting to total up the scores and see exactly how well Creighton stacks up, how well Dayton and Saint Louis compare.

I was also amused that Wichita State was on the spreadsheet--either he reads this board, or WSU is pimping themselves all over the internet!

Quick observation -- another thing to add from the Equity in Athletics stats is total athletic budget, either revenue or expenses. Due to accounting differences, individual sport revenues and expenses are frequently apples and oranges between school. Total revenue and expenses gives a more accurate picture.

On this sheet, Dayton and Xavier really jump off the page as having dominant hoops revenue. Dayton probably leads in total athletics revenues among the most obvious candidates, but I believe it's more like $20 million total revenue vs $15 for many of the others -- in other words, relatively closer.

(12-31-2012 08:11 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Quick observation -- another thing to add from the Equity in Athletics stats is total athletic budget, either revenue or expenses. Due to accounting differences, individual sport revenues and expenses are frequently apples and oranges between school. Total revenue and expenses gives a more accurate picture.

On this sheet, Dayton and Xavier really jump off the page as having dominant hoops revenue. Dayton probably leads in total athletics revenues among the most obvious candidates, but I believe it's more like $20 million total revenue vs $15 for many of the others -- in other words, relatively closer.

I think they are locks along with Creighton, Xavier and Butler. The real question and debate is who is #12?

I know! I know!

(12-31-2012 08:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 08:11 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Quick observation -- another thing to add from the Equity in Athletics stats is total athletic budget, either revenue or expenses. Due to accounting differences, individual sport revenues and expenses are frequently apples and oranges between school. Total revenue and expenses gives a more accurate picture.

On this sheet, Dayton and Xavier really jump off the page as having dominant hoops revenue. Dayton probably leads in total athletics revenues among the most obvious candidates, but I believe it's more like $20 million total revenue vs $15 for many of the others -- in other words, relatively closer.

I think they are locks along with Creighton, Xavier and Butler. The real question and debate is who is #12?

(12-31-2012 08:55 PM)courtjester Wrote:  I know! I know!

(12-31-2012 08:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 08:11 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Quick observation -- another thing to add from the Equity in Athletics stats is total athletic budget, either revenue or expenses. Due to accounting differences, individual sport revenues and expenses are frequently apples and oranges between school. Total revenue and expenses gives a more accurate picture.

On this sheet, Dayton and Xavier really jump off the page as having dominant hoops revenue. Dayton probably leads in total athletics revenues among the most obvious candidates, but I believe it's more like $20 million total revenue vs $15 for many of the others -- in other words, relatively closer.

I think they are locks along with Creighton, Xavier and Butler. The real question and debate is who is #12?

I think SLU has the inside track but it isn't a definite which leaves an opening for VCU to wow them UofL style. If im VCU im putting together the best presentation and convincing the C7 they have zero interest in playing FB.

They need to seize the opportunity and do what they can to put as many butts in the seats for every single game and travel to every tournament they go to.

St. Louis beat ranked New Mexico tonight

(12-31-2012 08:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 08:11 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Quick observation -- another thing to add from the Equity in Athletics stats is total athletic budget, either revenue or expenses. Due to accounting differences, individual sport revenues and expenses are frequently apples and oranges between school. Total revenue and expenses gives a more accurate picture.

On this sheet, Dayton and Xavier really jump off the page as having dominant hoops revenue. Dayton probably leads in total athletics revenues among the most obvious candidates, but I believe it's more like $20 million total revenue vs $15 for many of the others -- in other words, relatively closer.

I think they are locks along with Creighton, Xavier and Butler. The real question and debate is who is #12?

Richmond makes the most long term sense IMO.

(01-01-2013 02:32 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 08:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 08:11 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Quick observation -- another thing to add from the Equity in Athletics stats is total athletic budget, either revenue or expenses. Due to accounting differences, individual sport revenues and expenses are frequently apples and oranges between school. Total revenue and expenses gives a more accurate picture.

On this sheet, Dayton and Xavier really jump off the page as having dominant hoops revenue. Dayton probably leads in total athletics revenues among the most obvious candidates, but I believe it's more like $20 million total revenue vs $15 for many of the others -- in other words, relatively closer.

I think they are locks along with Creighton, Xavier and Butler. The real question and debate is who is #12?

Richmond makes the most long term sense IMO.

I think SLU has the inside track but VCU can steal that spot. We'll see in the next few weeks how it plays out.

UAB has shared conferences with both VCU and St Louis. I don't think the BE could go wrong with either one.

(12-31-2012 08:11 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Quick observation -- another thing to add from the Equity in Athletics stats is total athletic budget, either revenue or expenses. Due to accounting differences, individual sport revenues and expenses are frequently apples and oranges between school. Total revenue and expenses gives a more accurate picture.

On this sheet, Dayton and Xavier really jump off the page as having dominant hoops revenue. Dayton probably leads in total athletics revenues among the most obvious candidates, but I believe it's more like $20 million total revenue vs $15 for many of the others -- in other words, relatively closer.

Following up on my comment, here are the 2011-12 revenues by school for the C7 and some frequently mentioned candidates from http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

DePaul $24,212,027
Georgetown $33,536,264
Marquette $26,504,896
Providence $22,550,248
St. John's $33,644,628
Seton Hall $20,886,250
Villanova $30,934,099

Butler $14,738,745
Creighton $15,062,122
Dayton $21,269,568
Richmond $21,960,451
St.Joseph's $16,407,926
Saint Louis $14,200,727
VCU $22,195,503
Xavier $14,774,269

Any of the expansion candidates seem likely to be able to reach the range of revenues of the C7 schools from additional national tv rights fees, additional NCAA tournament money, higher ticket prices and higher donations.

I look for tournament success, existing fan base, tv market, and cultural fit all to be considered.

80% of VCU's Athletic revenue is from Student Fees, which is prety doable when you have 30K students. But there is a limit to the amount of fees students will accept. Looks like using those numbers it is approximately $580.00 per year per student.

(01-02-2013 10:54 AM)bostonspider Wrote:  80% of VCU's Athletic revenue is from Student Fees, which is prety doable when you have 30K students. But there is a limit to the amount of fees students will accept. Looks like using those numbers it is approximately $580.00 per year per student.

While thats true they can ease that burden by increasing it's TV revenue and NCAA credits the new league will receive.

(01-02-2013 11:26 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:54 AM)bostonspider Wrote:  80% of VCU's Athletic revenue is from Student Fees, which is prety doable when you have 30K students. But there is a limit to the amount of fees students will accept. Looks like using those numbers it is approximately $580.00 per year per student.

While thats true they can ease that burden by increasing it's TV revenue and NCAA credits the new league will receive.

And, once things are rolling and VCU is, by far, Richmond's #1 local sports brand, signage and sponsorship rates go up, merchandising, etc. T-shirts and sweatshirts and ball caps, oh my.

Why are people including St. Joseph's as a potential candidate? Villanova won't allow them under any circumstance and it wouldn't make sense anyhow.

Holy Cross, Northeastern, or Hartford all have better chances than St. Joseph's or LaSalle based on how Villanova has always treated other local teams.

I also don't think VCU or Wichita State gets in unless a decision is made to form a 16-school basketball super conference. Otherwise it will be all private.