Like I said in an earlier post, the proof will be when they finally hold on a rotational basis the ACCT at MSG the first time.

Until the traditional ACC fans experience that, they have every right to think we're daft for wanting to move it from North Carolina. And geographically I'm sure that it has made the most sense to have in that state in the past.

I just wish they wouldn't say the ACCT is on a "rotational basis" when in fact it's been held in North Carolina 48 times, Atlanta 6 times, Maryland 3 times, DC once, and Tampa once.

Just because you change the venue in the state of North Carolina, doesn't make it "rotational" in my eyes.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-25-2012 12:02 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Are you all under the impression that the ACC tournament lacks media attention?

The ACC tournament is like the Masters Golf Tournament and until fairly recently just as difficult to get tickets to watch in person. With the teams the ACC will field going forward, the entire country is going to stop and watch that tournament regardless if play it is played in Madison Square Garden or on the hoop in my driveway.

that's a pretty fair assessment, until wed. was added the tournament was a close to impossible to get tickets as you can get. MSG would be great but if anyone thinks the tournament is moving their permanently, you're going to be disappointed.

(12-25-2012 01:16 AM)omniorange Wrote:  Like I said in an earlier post, the proof will be when they finally hold on a rotational basis the ACCT at MSG the first time.

Until the traditional ACC fans experience that, they have every right to think we're daft for wanting to move it from North Carolina. And geographically I'm sure that it has made the most sense to have in that state in the past.

I just wish they wouldn't say the ACCT is on a "rotational basis" when in fact it's been held in North Carolina 48 times, Atlanta 6 times, Maryland 3 times, DC once, and Tampa once.

Just because you change the venue in the state of North Carolina, doesn't make it "rotational" in my eyes.

Cheers,
Neil

won't matter much IMO, MSG would be a nice change of pace but that's about it.

Here's what I can add: many a Louisville fans thought after entering the BE that it would be great to have the tournamnent in lousivil to somewhere closer once in a while. After one year in MSG all of that changed. It's just so different, and such a dynamic that everything changes.

I am not one to advocate the acc leaving its roots. But I'm telling you after the first time in MSG, all of that will change.

I'm not a fan of an ACC team, but I think a central location is a definite positive. In Madison Square Garden sometime if they could get a rotation worked out would be good, but I'd usually aim for more the geographical center of the conference. For similar reasons, I'd want the Big Ten Tournament to remain in Indianapolis/Chicago.

The ACC tournament rotates now. For a very long time, it didn't and no pretended that it did.

I've watched basketball games in Madison Square Garden. I've seen us play one of arch rivals there as well as a game against Notre Dame. It's a good venue and a fun trip, but there is nothing "magical" about that place. You all really need to stop overselling it. It's entirely about the quality of the teams matched up. Wherever those games are held will be "magical".

If the ACC decides that MSG is too much of a cash cow to pass up so be it. But the tournament will be great whever it is held.

(12-25-2012 01:48 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  The ACC tournament rotates now. For a very long time, it didn't and no pretended that it did.

I don't know how any one can make that statement with a straight face.

Six of the last 10 have been in North Carolina, 2 in Atlanta, 1 in DC, and 1 in Tampa. The next three are all scheduled back at Greensboro. That's 9 of 13 in North Carolina.

And I'd say the same thing if the ACCT has 6 of the next 8 after 2015 in NYC, but 3 of them at MSG and 3 at the Barclays Center.

That's not "rotational". A true rotation would have 1 in Greensboro, 1 in Boston, 1 in Atlanta, 1 in Richmond, 1 in NYC, 1 in Louisville, etc.

Quote:I've watched basketball games in Madison Square Garden. I've seen us play one of arch rivals there as well as a game against Notre Dame. It's a good venue and a fun trip, but there is nothing "magical" about that place. You all really need to stop overselling it. It's entirely about the quality of the teams matched up. Wherever those games are held will be "magical".

Trying to compare a single game versus a tournament is comparing apples to oranges. But again, I know this makes little sense until you have actually experienced a 4 full days of the action.

Quote:If the ACC decides that MSG is too much of a cash cow to pass up so be it. But the tournament will be great whever it is held.

On this we agree.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-25-2012 01:43 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I'm not a fan of an ACC team, but I think a central location is a definite positive. In Madison Square Garden sometime if they could get a rotation worked out would be good, but I'd usually aim for more the geographical center of the conference. For similar reasons, I'd want the Big Ten Tournament to remain in Indianapolis/Chicago.

Yes, but those are the two greatest basketball crazy cities in the Big Ten footprint as well.

Which is why I actually don't mind a split between Greensboro and NYC if MSG is willing to do this and the ACC is willing as well.

I do believe Charlotte is the best place for the football championship game and that it should be the permanent site.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-25-2012 04:28 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-25-2012 01:48 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  The ACC tournament rotates now. For a very long time, it didn't and no pretended that it did.

I don't know how any one can make that statement with a straight face.

Six of the last 10 have been in North Carolina, 2 in Atlanta, 1 in DC, and 1 in Tampa. The next three are all scheduled back at Greensboro. That's 9 of 13 in North Carolina.

And I'd say the same thing if the ACCT has 6 of the next 8 after 2015 in NYC, but 3 of them at MSG and 3 at the Barclays Center.

That's not "rotational". A true rotation would have 1 in Greensboro, 1 in Boston, 1 in Atlanta, 1 in Richmond, 1 in NYC, 1 in Louisville, etc.

Quote:I've watched basketball games in Madison Square Garden. I've seen us play one of arch rivals there as well as a game against Notre Dame. It's a good venue and a fun trip, but there is nothing "magical" about that place. You all really need to stop overselling it. It's entirely about the quality of the teams matched up. Wherever those games are held will be "magical".

Trying to compare a single game versus a tournament is comparing apples to oranges. But again, I know this makes little sense until you have actually experienced a 4 full days of the action.

Quote:If the ACC decides that MSG is too much of a cash cow to pass up so be it. But the tournament will be great whever it is held.

On this we agree.

Cheers,
Neil

And here I was hoping the best tourney Richmond could land would be the A10 tourney with 2 Richmond teams in the conference. I won't hold my breath on the ACC tourney being held in Richmond. The colosseum (The only venue capable of handling it) is a dump. Built in the 70's and retrofitted to add 1500 seats so it could meet minimum qualifications for an NCAA tourney opening round. That fell by the wayside when they had water collect on the floor from the hockey rink underneath and now the best they can hope for is NCAA women's opening round.

I hate to say it but the best venue in Va. for a basketball tourney is probably John Paul Jones arena in Charlottesville.

Six of the last ten is one more than exactly half. That's why I can say it rotates with a straight face.

I was comparing a tournament setting. We beat NC State and Notre Dame there. We've beat Arizona there diring Lute Olsen's heydays.

You want magical? Try watching Randolph Childress score 107 points in three days in Greensboro to lead Wake past Duke, UVA and UNC to an ACC tournament title.

i don't expect the new teams to come to the tournament in Greensboro & just forget about MSG, just like it's silly to expect ACC fans to forget close to 60 years of memories just because the tournament is held at the "Worlds Most Famous Arena". MSG has no leverage in this instance, they either play ball or not, either way the ACCT will go on & prosper without them.

Of course the new fans might travel down to Greensboro the first year and fall in love with all that is the traditional ACCT. They might just forget all about MSG after that.

(12-25-2012 12:19 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  Of course the new fans might travel down to Greensboro the first year and fall in love with all that is the traditional ACCT. They might just forget all about MSG after that.

I agree that Greensboro has its advantages: cheaper to stay, eat and easier to get around with a car. There is an allure for Cuse fans to travel to Greensboro in early/mid March with a bag of clubs and a few 18 holes planned. I think the ultimate compromise is a rotation 50/50 between Greensboro and NYC.

Why not have the Tourney on a cruise chip? They are stable enough in moderate seas. If Boy band of 40yo's (aka NKOTB) and an antique hair band (aka Kiss) can sell out a cruise the ACC should be able to. Plenty to do on board and plenty to do in the Bahamas The Bahamas in March > NYC in March.

Wherever they have it is fine with me. NYC would be cool for me because it's a much shorter trip but then of course I need to figure out the logistics of it a bit more.

I think a rotation would be preferable just so that fans can have different experiences, but I understand if the ACC wants to keep this status quo.

(12-25-2012 02:41 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  Why not have the Tourney on a cruise chip? They are stable enough in moderate seas. If Boy band of 40yo's (aka NKOTB) and an antique hair band (aka Kiss) can sell out a cruise the ACC should be able to. Plenty to do on board and plenty to do in the Bahamas The Bahamas in March > NYC in March.

I like the way you think outside of the box.

(12-25-2012 10:53 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Six of the last ten is one more than exactly half. That's why I can say it rotates with a straight face.

It's silly to say something is rotational when you have a team in Boston, a team in Maryland, 2 teams in Florida and 2 teams in Virginia and yet have 6 of 10 (which in actuality will soon be 9 of 13) in North Carolina.

Quote:I was comparing a tournament setting. We beat NC State and Notre Dame there. We've beat Arizona there diring Lute Olsen's heydays.

Are you truly going to compare either a pre-season NIT like tournament or a post-season NIT tournament to either the electricity of a Big East or ACC championship tourney? Really?!?

Quote:You want magical? Try watching Randolph Childress score 107 points in three days in Greensboro to lead Wake past Duke, UVA and UNC to an ACC tournament title.

Nobody is saying those type of moments at Greensboro (or any other ACC tourney setting) are not electrifying. Maryland had a great run in the ACC tourney a little while back and of course, FSU had a magical run last year in Atlanta. But I'll wager more people remember GMac's run in 2006, Kemba Walker's run in 2010, and the 6OT game in 2009 mainly because it was at MSG.

But I'm wasting bandwidth here

Cheers,
Neil

here's the bottom line, the ACC tourney will most likely be played in GBO 8 out 12 years. MSG or Barclays might fit somewhere in between. MSG doesn't mean much to most of us & never will. trying to force feed "The Big East Way" is going to rub alot of people the wrong way.

(12-24-2012 10:49 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 10:36 AM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 10:31 AM)esayem Wrote:  Greensboro is awesome!

It may be, but is it New York City?

Nope. They let you defend yourself with CCW, don't tell you how big your drinks have to be, it doesn't cost a grand for a two night hotel stay, let you turn right on red, have no city income tax, .......

That's why we live elsewhere. NYC is for visiting.

(12-25-2012 06:47 PM)mj4life Wrote:  here's the bottom line, the ACC tourney will most likely be played in GBO 8 out 12 years. MSG or Barclays might fit somewhere in between. MSG doesn't mean much to most of us & never will. trying to force feed "The Big East Way" is going to rub alot of people the wrong way.

Nobody is trying to force feed anything....just pointing out the merits on holding the soon to be premeire Conference Tournament in the World's Most Famous Arena...MSG is considered to be the Mecca with the players-(including those that play in the ACC)...imagine a ACC Senifinal Saturday Night with a Duke-Louisville in one game and a Syracuse-UNC in the other...

Still have it in Greensboro as well...City venue one year...Country the next...