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(12-11-2012 04:23 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  The city simply does not give two s about us.

So Attala I guess the city BUYING 5,000 football season tickets for distribution to city employees and to youth/community groups is no better than two piles of crap? Interesting...can you tell me any group or company that buys more tickets for UAB football? What woudl our tickets sales look like without that 5,000? Do you think that doing this has not resulted in flack and complaints to elected officials about buying UAB football tickets? Great way to treat a major supporter there Attala. Yeah Legion and the Park Board that runs it have problems but to say the city has not been supportive is really the height of short sighted lack of appreciation. It just seems smart to at least be nice to your largest ticket buyer. I hate to be the city defender here...since that is where I make my living...but I can not let pass that level of inaccurate, ignorant, hurtful to the program sort of stuff go without being rebutted.

(12-12-2012 11:10 AM)uabrsc3 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 04:23 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  The city simply does not give two s about us.

So Attala I guess the city BUYING 5,000 football season tickets for distribution to city employees and to youth/community groups is no better than two piles of crap? Interesting...can you tell me any group or company that buys more tickets for UAB football? What woudl our tickets sales look like without that 5,000? Do you think that doing this has not resulted in flack and complaints to elected officials about buying UAB football tickets? Great way to treat a major supporter there Attala. Yeah Legion and the Park Board that runs it have problems but to say the city has not been supportive is really the height of short sighted lack of appreciation. It just seems smart to at least be nice to your largest ticket buyer. I hate to be the city defender here...since that is where I make my living...but I can not let pass that level of inaccurate, ignorant, hurtful to the program sort of stuff go without being rebutted.

True

(12-11-2012 05:13 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 05:10 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Was there toilet paper in the restrooms?

Season before last the home locker room didn't have hot water.

Welcome to UAB's "home field advantage".

There was TP but no paper towels in the bathroom that I went to.

Is that really true about there being no hot water in the player showers? "Hornet", you have a family member that played in the Classic, can he shed some light on that inquiry?

Or is that an "urban legend?" I'm inclined to believe it, I asked Bell about that once, and never got a straight answer. "Homefield Advantage", my foot. If this place is so "iconic" and "historic", why is it that even the state High School Athletic Association has taken the state title football games out of this city and rotated them between Auburn and "Updykeville"? Why is not the largest city in the state not a part of this annual rotation of the championship games? "Lesion" Field's not even good enough for a high school game anymore...But it's supposed to be "sufficient" enough for UAB.

Sure seems pretty cut and dry to me what's taking place here.

I stand corrected. All is well. All is well behind the scenes as well. I will say that UAB earns those tickets on what it does for the city in the way of free clinics for youths and camps and a LOT behind the scenes that never gets the news. UAB is not getting a hand out I assure you. Don't make it sound that way. I hear you. I stand corrected. I would say the City does care about UAB. They better damn well care because without UAB the City would go to hell and a hand basket quicker than you can say Criminal Turd. I will also say the City (The park board is employed by the city) needs to start caring more about it's #1 Tennant and money maker in this community. There is no other entity that generates more money for the City of Birmingham than UAB.

(12-12-2012 11:10 AM)uabrsc3 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 04:23 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  The city simply does not give two s about us.

So Attala I guess the city BUYING 5,000 football season tickets for distribution to city employees and to youth/community groups is no better than two piles of crap? Interesting...can you tell me any group or company that buys more tickets for UAB football? What woudl our tickets sales look like without that 5,000? Do you think that doing this has not resulted in flack and complaints to elected officials about buying UAB football tickets?

As soon as they stop charging us rent to play/ practice in our "home stadium," the 5,000 tickets will mean something to me.

The concessions at Legion and the BJCC are run by the same company. That company HIRES the volunteer groups to work at the concessions stands. The city of B'ham contracts with this company to run concessions for x number of years and then let's them handle the rest.

UAB has an agreement with a different company to run Bartow's concessions.

(12-12-2012 11:45 AM)Matrix Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 05:13 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 05:10 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Was there toilet paper in the restrooms?

Season before last the home locker room didn't have hot water.

Welcome to UAB's "home field advantage".

There was TP but no paper towels in the bathroom that I went to.

Is that really true about there being no hot water in the player showers? "Hornet", you have a family member that played in the Classic, can he shed some light on that inquiry?

Or is that an "urban legend?" I'm inclined to believe it, I asked Bell about that once, and never got a straight answer. "Homefield Advantage", my foot. If this place is so "iconic" and "historic", why is it that even the state High School Athletic Association has taken the state title football games out of this city and rotated them between Auburn and "Updykeville"? Why is not the largest city in the state not a part of this annual rotation of the championship games? "Lesion" Field's not even good enough for a high school game anymore...But it's supposed to be "sufficient" enough for UAB.

Sure seems pretty cut and dry to me what's taking place here.

I've played at the Stadium 8 times during my college career(4 Magic City Classics, 2 SWAC title games, 1 MEAC/SWAC Challenge, and 1 Labor Day Classic) and we've always have had hot water for the showers. My younger brother has played there twice and he and no one has ever said anything about not having hot water. Up until Saturday I've never had any complaints as a player or fan at the stadium, but what I witnessed this weekend was not a good look to say the least. The staff seemed much unprepared to handle a game of the magnitude. Maybe they were expecting a 10,000-15,000 fan type crowd or something.

(12-12-2012 11:46 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  behind the scenes

:-) I think this might be Attalla's favorite phrase.

Lol somehow I knew that would come up. Lol.

(12-12-2012 11:45 AM)Matrix Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 05:13 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 05:10 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Was there toilet paper in the restrooms?

Season before last the home locker room didn't have hot water.

Welcome to UAB's "home field advantage".

There was TP but no paper towels in the bathroom that I went to.

Is that really true about there being no hot water in the player showers? "Hornet", you have a family member that played in the Classic, can he shed some light on that inquiry?

Or is that an "urban legend?" I'm inclined to believe it, I asked Bell about that once, and never got a straight answer. "Homefield Advantage", my foot. If this place is so "iconic" and "historic", why is it that even the state High School Athletic Association has taken the state title football games out of this city and rotated them between Auburn and "Updykeville"? Why is not the largest city in the state not a part of this annual rotation of the championship games? "Lesion" Field's not even good enough for a high school game anymore...But it's supposed to be "sufficient" enough for UAB.

Sure seems pretty cut and dry to me what's taking place here.

Yes, it is very true. It happened twice that season. I know for sure one time was after the Tulane beat down. Its not that Legion didn't have hot water, someone just did turn it on.

(12-12-2012 11:46 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  I stand corrected. All is well. All is well behind the scenes as well. I will say that UAB earns those tickets on what it does for the city in the way of free clinics for youths and camps and a LOT behind the scenes that never gets the news. UAB is not getting a hand out I assure you. Don't make it sound that way. I hear you. I stand corrected. I would say the City does care about UAB. They better damn well care because without UAB the City would go to hell and a hand basket quicker than you can say Criminal Turd. I will also say the City (The park board is employed by the city) needs to start caring more about it's #1 Tennant and money maker in this community. There is no other entity that generates more money for the City of Birmingham than UAB.

Always a pleasure to correct the correctable I don't get the behind the scenes reference. I notice you did not answer the questions but no problem. As to earning the tickets...they are bought like pretty much any customer does and the athletic department is wonderfully involved with inner city kids- I just left a meeting where UAB athletics is involved in the Camp Birmingham program. The Park board is not "employed"-it is appointed by the city but has some autonomy as to managment decisions (which is a bit of a grey area and point of contention as to who reports to the board and to city hall if you follow the news reports-such as they are in this community now). UAB and Bham work hand in glove on soooo much in this town and probably now better than ever. My big grip with you on these posts Attala is that you seem to be shifting some of your dislike for our colonial masters on the BOT and in Tuscaloosa to the City of Bham. You get nothing but agreement from this loyal Blazer on pointing out our issues with UAT and their minions. But keep in mind the city works well with UAB on a WIDE range of things and there are many in city government who really push cooperation on among other things athletics. Legion is old and not very good any more...and our beloved Blazers have not been very good in football nor very attractive to watch. But it is always good to recognize those who try to help and be friends and not to lump friends with real enemies.
As to losing the AHSAA football-the appeal of playing in one of the big campus stadiums was too much and until this years big crowd in Auburn the games had been averaging fewer fans than when in Birmingham. The state high school basketballl tourney at BJCC regularly outdraws the Super 6. When the AHSAA went to Hallman's commpany as manager of its post season events it was foregone conclusion that the game would go to the campuses. There was a big effort to also take the basketball tourney but the Tip Off Club and city was able to negotiate that (full disclosure alert-I was President of the Tip Off Club during that time).

(12-12-2012 12:15 PM)backyardblazer Wrote:  The concessions at Legion and the BJCC are run by the same company. That company HIRES the volunteer groups to work at the concessions stands. The city of B'ham contracts with this company to run concessions for x number of years and then let's them handle the rest.

UAB has an agreement with a different company to run Bartow's concessions.

As with most "government" activities, venue concessions are handled through a private business contractor. When you say that contractor "HIRES" the groups, does that mean actual monetary payments are in place? Or does the company just take names (and then cross their fingers) that the promised services will be provided by these volunteers? "Gee whiz! We had an agreement with XYZ Baptist church (or XYZ HS Band Boosters) that they would operate that concession stand, but not enough of their people showed up to do it safely".

(12-12-2012 04:14 PM)uabrsc3 Wrote:  Always a pleasure to correct the correctable I don't get the behind the scenes reference. I notice you did not answer the questions but no problem. As to earning the tickets...they are bought like pretty much any customer does and the athletic department is wonderfully involved with inner city kids- I just left a meeting where UAB athletics is involved in the Camp Birmingham program. The Park board is not "employed"-it is appointed by the city but has some autonomy as to managment decisions (which is a bit of a grey area and point of contention as to who reports to the board and to city hall if you follow the news reports-such as they are in this community now). UAB and Bham work hand in glove on soooo much in this town and probably now better than ever. My big grip with you on these posts Attala is that you seem to be shifting some of your dislike for our colonial masters on the BOT and in Tuscaloosa to the City of Bham. You get nothing but agreement from this loyal Blazer on pointing out our issues with UAT and their minions. But keep in mind the city works well with UAB on a WIDE range of things and there are many in city government who really push cooperation on among other things athletics. Legion is old and not very good any more...and our beloved Blazers have not been very good in football nor very attractive to watch. But it is always good to recognize those who try to help and be friends and not to lump friends with real enemies.
As to losing the AHSAA football-the appeal of playing in one of the big campus stadiums was too much and until this years big crowd in Auburn the games had been averaging fewer fans than when in Birmingham. The state high school basketballl tourney at BJCC regularly outdraws the Super 6. When the AHSAA went to Hallman's commpany as manager of its post season events it was foregone conclusion that the game would go to the campuses. There was a big effort to also take the basketball tourney but the Tip Off Club and city was able to negotiate that (full disclosure alert-I was President of the Tip Off Club during that time).

uabrsc3, I appreciate your insight on this topic. Thanks for sharing your info.

(12-12-2012 04:53 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:15 PM)backyardblazer Wrote:  The concessions at Legion and the BJCC are run by the same company. That company HIRES the volunteer groups to work at the concessions stands. The city of B'ham contracts with this company to run concessions for x number of years and then let's them handle the rest.

UAB has an agreement with a different company to run Bartow's concessions.

As with most "government" activities, venue concessions are handled through a private business contractor. When you say that contractor "HIRES" the groups, does that mean actual monetary payments are in place? Or does the company just take names (and then cross their fingers) that the promised services will be provided by these volunteers? "Gee whiz! We had an agreement with XYZ Baptist church (or XYZ HS Band Boosters) that they would operate that concession stand, but not enough of their people showed up to do it safely".

The contractor hires the groups by offering to pay them x in return for bringing a certain number of people to run the concession stand. The contractor provides everything to operate the concessions and the groups are supposed to man the stands, for a percentage of sales $$.

I was with a group that ran a concession stand at Bartow and we had to bring around 7 people to work. We made 12% of sales to do this. The company at Bartow would send out email reminders and such to make sure you would show up. Pretty sure that's what goes on at Legion, too.

(12-12-2012 04:53 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:15 PM)backyardblazer Wrote:  The concessions at Legion and the BJCC are run by the same company. That company HIRES the volunteer groups to work at the concessions stands. The city of B'ham contracts with this company to run concessions for x number of years and then let's them handle the rest.

UAB has an agreement with a different company to run Bartow's concessions.

As with most "government" activities, venue concessions are handled through a private business contractor. When you say that contractor "HIRES" the groups, does that mean actual monetary payments are in place? Or does the company just take names (and then cross their fingers) that the promised services will be provided by these volunteers? "Gee whiz! We had an agreement with XYZ Baptist church (or XYZ HS Band Boosters) that they would operate that concession stand, but not enough of their people showed up to do it safely".

Concessionaires do not hire the non-profits they work out a profit/income share deal. When events do not draw well non profits and their supporters are less interested (money earned divided by hours/people provided sort of determines if this is a good deal). Venues that host more regular events can do it differently because they have regular business-venues like legion have about 12 paying events a year- not very economically feasible to hire folks for 12 days a year nor feasible to commit to work for 12 days a year when payment is small/contingent on thingss outside your control. This is true of any venue be it Legion or the Citrus bowl or any where else without a big time tenant.

(12-11-2012 04:16 PM)Blaze4Pres Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 04:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 03:57 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  The place needs to be imploded.

A couple of M-80s dropped in the right toilets would likely do the trick.

C4 goes a long way with demolition purposes.

Turn "The Unit" loose on that place! "Jonas Blaine" will make short work of it!

(12-12-2012 11:00 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 09:46 AM)Matrix Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 04:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 03:57 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  The place needs to be imploded.

A couple of M-80s dropped in the right toilets would likely do the trick.

You, sir, are a calculated genius!

If you flush every toilet at the exact same time the stadium will implode. That's a fact I saw it on Ned's Declassified

You're kidding, right, "Blad?"

(12-12-2012 05:06 PM)uabrsc3 Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 04:53 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:15 PM)backyardblazer Wrote:  The concessions at Legion and the BJCC are run by the same company. That company HIRES the volunteer groups to work at the concessions stands. The city of B'ham contracts with this company to run concessions for x number of years and then let's them handle the rest.

UAB has an agreement with a different company to run Bartow's concessions.

As with most "government" activities, venue concessions are handled through a private business contractor. When you say that contractor "HIRES" the groups, does that mean actual monetary payments are in place? Or does the company just take names (and then cross their fingers) that the promised services will be provided by these volunteers? "Gee whiz! We had an agreement with XYZ Baptist church (or XYZ HS Band Boosters) that they would operate that concession stand, but not enough of their people showed up to do it safely".

Concessionaires do not hire the non-profits they work out a profit/income share deal. When events do not draw well non profits and their supporters are less interested (money earned divided by hours/people provided sort of determines if this is a good deal). Venues that host more regular events can do it differently because they have regular business-venues like legion have about 12 paying events a year- not very economically feasible to hire folks for 12 days a year nor feasible to commit to work for 12 days a year when payment is small/contingent on thingss outside your control. This is true of any venue be it Legion or the Citrus bowl or any where else without a big time tenant.

Considering the whole picture presented here, it seems remarkable that the Legion Field and BJCC concessions do as well as they presently do. It looks like it is designed to fail but nonetheless still has some level of success.