(02-06-2020 02:02 PM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  WP

Interesting that you bring that up re NCA&T. On the way back from Frisco I was talking to a NCA&T fan at Atlanta Hartsfield and he indicated that the Aggies were looking at joining the MVC. Have not heard or seen anything related to that but interesting if it is true. Don't know. Big South does seem to make more sense though.

Brian

I'm sure the fans really wanted MVC but the Big South makes more sense.
Fan support is definitely not a problem with NCA&T. They have incredible fan support.
I think MVC is a possibility but football would have to look elsewhere and that's ultimately the problem. That's why they probably ended up in the Big South.
Now they just need to dominate. Do that and the rest will take care of itself.

(02-06-2020 02:44 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 02:02 PM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  WP

Interesting that you bring that up re NCA&T. On the way back from Frisco I was talking to a NCA&T fan at Atlanta Hartsfield and he indicated that the Aggies were looking at joining the MVC. Have not heard or seen anything related to that but interesting if it is true. Don't know. Big South does seem to make more sense though.

Brian

I'm sure the fans really wanted MVC but the Big South makes more sense.
Fan support is definitely not a problem with NCA&T. They have incredible fan support.
I think MVC is a possibility but football would have to look elsewhere and that's ultimately the problem. That's why they probably ended up in the Big South.
Now they just need to dominate. Do that and the rest will take care of itself.

Now lets see if A&T catches the same kind of heat as Hampton did for leaving the MEAC for greener pastures/business decision. I guess that going to the Celebration Game each year ain't all its cracked up to be.

(02-06-2020 01:16 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  I believe this was rumored back in the fall, but FWIW...


Eddie Wooten @EddieWooten
· 2h
BREAKING: @NCATAGGIES expected to announce Friday that it will leave the MEAC to join the Big South Conference.

I wonder if this is for all athletics? If it is, this would put their strong D1AA football program in contention for the NCAA playoffs. Will they give up the chance to play in the Celebration Bowl (MEAC vs SWAC) that has kept solid FB programs out of the playoffs???

Wow this is big news. I understand the HBCU MEAC/SWAC ties but I’m excited for this. Will be pretty cool to see them compete in the playoffs with the level of talent they are able to recruit/take in as transfers. Also makes a lot of sense for them travel wise when you consider non-revenue sports and will probably help to improve the overall grades of athletes as a result of less travel/time away from the classroom.

The 4 star RB transfer from DC who was interested in JMU ended up choosing NC A&T.

(02-06-2020 04:43 PM)Anders Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 01:16 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  I believe this was rumored back in the fall, but FWIW...


Eddie Wooten @EddieWooten
· 2h
BREAKING: @NCATAGGIES expected to announce Friday that it will leave the MEAC to join the Big South Conference.

I wonder if this is for all athletics? If it is, this would put their strong D1AA football program in contention for the NCAA playoffs. Will they give up the chance to play in the Celebration Bowl (MEAC vs SWAC) that has kept solid FB programs out of the playoffs???

Wow this is big news. I understand the HBCU MEAC/SWAC ties but I’m excited for this. Will be pretty cool to see them compete in the playoffs with the level of talent they are able to recruit/take in as transfers. Also makes a lot of sense for them travel wise when you consider non-revenue sports and will probably help to improve the overall grades of athletes as a result of less travel/time away from the classroom.

The 4 star RB transfer from DC who was interested in JMU ended up choosing NC A&T.

This guy is probably 2 * now.

(02-06-2020 04:47 PM)JMU Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 04:43 PM)Anders Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 01:16 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  I believe this was rumored back in the fall, but FWIW...


Eddie Wooten @EddieWooten
· 2h
BREAKING: @NCATAGGIES expected to announce Friday that it will leave the MEAC to join the Big South Conference.

I wonder if this is for all athletics? If it is, this would put their strong D1AA football program in contention for the NCAA playoffs. Will they give up the chance to play in the Celebration Bowl (MEAC vs SWAC) that has kept solid FB programs out of the playoffs???

Wow this is big news. I understand the HBCU MEAC/SWAC ties but I’m excited for this. Will be pretty cool to see them compete in the playoffs with the level of talent they are able to recruit/take in as transfers. Also makes a lot of sense for them travel wise when you consider non-revenue sports and will probably help to improve the overall grades of athletes as a result of less travel/time away from the classroom.

The 4 star RB transfer from DC who was interested in JMU ended up choosing NC A&T.

This guy is probably 2 * now.

but also probably true

Hi, JMU fans,

It's the offseason and I'm just wondering from your perspectives, if you all did move to FBS this decade, what conference would you want, or what conference would you want to see created?

(02-06-2020 06:42 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Hi, JMU fans,

It's the offseason and I'm just wondering from your perspectives, if you all did move to FBS this decade, what conference would you want, or what conference would you want to see created?

That's all been hashed out man. Just sit down for a few years and take a read if you're curious.

Think this A-Sun shuffle in/out thing has legs if enough presidents have the vision.

(02-06-2020 06:42 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Hi, JMU fans,

It's the offseason and I'm just wondering from your perspectives, if you all did move to FBS this decade, what conference would you want, or what conference would you want to see created?

I really think what you are asking is who would we want to be associated with. I can assure you Appy would be high on the list. I also think ECU, ODU, and Marshall most would welcome as partners. The biggest concern with the Sunbelt as it is today is that we'd be about as far from the center as you can get. Not that football would be that great of an issue, but all the other sports we sponsor would kill a travel budget to get to those schools. Certainly there's other issues, but that's got to be at the top.

(02-06-2020 09:14 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 06:42 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Hi, JMU fans,

It's the offseason and I'm just wondering from your perspectives, if you all did move to FBS this decade, what conference would you want, or what conference would you want to see created?

I really think what you are asking is who would we want to be associated with. I can assure you Appy would be high on the list. I also think ECU, ODU, and Marshall most would welcome as partners. The biggest concern with the Sunbelt as it is today is that we'd be about as far from the center as you can get. Not that football would be that great of an issue, but all the other sports we sponsor would kill a travel budget to get to those schools. Certainly there's other issues, but that's got to be at the top.

That's understandable about the travel costs.

It would not surprise me at all if, in a few years, 7-9 C-USA eastern schools withdraw to start their own new conference, Mountain West style. I think they'd pick up some among JMU, App State, Liberty, Ga. Southern, and Ga. State. C-USA schools, as evidenced by comments from MTSU and ODU AD's, seem much less happy with their league than Sun Belt schools, so I think a change would initiate from that league rather than an exodus from the SBC.

I'll add this: Although I'm thrilled with the outcome of App State's move to FBS/Sun Belt and would not change a thing from the past six years, I do miss those JMU games. Too bad we were never in a conference together.

There's a lot of debate and differing opinions right now on FBS vs. FCS as you can see in this thread and many others. Some are totally happy with FCS and don't want to leave competing for national championships in order to make underwhelming bowl games. Some are all about FBS at all costs, of course with certain preferences but mostly wanting to do whatever it takes to be FBS ASAP. Some only want to do it for the right conference, with AAC and probably some conference that doesn't exist yet at the top of the list however unlikely those options may be. After those two options, most in that category would love to be in a conference with ODU again or with App State but I don't think they're sold on the current CUSA or SBC so back around to the option of some conference that doesn't exist yet. A lot of us also would really like to see some better in-conference basketball rivals too, although the top concern there is actually improving the basketball team.

I'm personally more in the FBS at all costs camp, I think we should be pushing hard for the AAC even though I'm sure it's practically impossible. If that isn't possible then I think we should be pushing for whatever best stepping stone to the AAC is possible. It's tough for me to say what I would personally enjoy more between where JMU/NDSU are and where App State is, but I do think if JMU or NDSU were to move up they could continue to improve while right now they're probably pretty much at the ceiling of what's possible as FCS programs and there's nowhere to go but down. This FCS dominance may very well be what's more fun for us hardcore fans, but I think a move up is what's best overall for the program long term.

(02-06-2020 09:44 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  There's a lot of debate and differing opinions right now on FBS vs. FCS as you can see in this thread and many others. Some are totally happy with FCS and don't want to leave competing for national championships in order to make underwhelming bowl games. Some are all about FBS at all costs, of course with certain preferences but mostly wanting to do whatever it takes to be FBS ASAP. Some only want to do it for the right conference, with AAC and probably some conference that doesn't exist yet at the top of the list however unlikely those options may be. After those two options, most in that category would love to be in a conference with ODU again or with App State but I don't think they're sold on the current CUSA or SBC so back around to the option of some conference that doesn't exist yet. A lot of us also would really like to see some better in-conference basketball rivals too, although the top concern there is actually improving the basketball team.

I'm personally more in the FBS at all costs camp, I think we should be pushing hard for the AAC even though I'm sure it's practically impossible. If that isn't possible then I think we should be pushing for whatever best stepping stone to the AAC is possible. It's tough for me to say what I would personally enjoy more between where JMU/NDSU are and where App State is, but I do think if JMU or NDSU were to move up they could continue to improve while right now they're probably pretty much at the ceiling of what's possible as FCS programs and there's nowhere to go but down. This FCS dominance may very well be what's more fun for us hardcore fans, but I think a move up is what's best overall for the program long term.

I think one of the things JMU has going for it that App State did not is a stable conference that makes sense for them at the FCS level. The SoCon got to the point where it no longer made sense for App State. The conference was losing members left and right (CofC, Ga. Southern, Elon, Davidson), so App would have been foolish not to get out while they could.

JMU, on the other hand, has a pretty good fit in the CAA. It's a much better league than the SoCon is, who by the way has become almost irrelevant without App and Ga. Southern. The CAA has long time rivals in it for JMU, and it is a good league academically, too.

So getting out of the CAA doesn't seem to be a driving force for a desire to go to FBS the way getting out of the SoCon was for App State. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As for being dominant at FCS level vs. being where App State is... I can just say that App State fans have been spoiled beyond belief to have experienced both. App was a three point loss from making the Cotton Bowl this year, and they finished #19 AP/#18 Coaches. Unreal. And we also had the '05, '06, and '07 championships, which we cherish as well.

(02-06-2020 11:19 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I think one of the things JMU has going for it that App State did not is a stable conference that makes sense for them at the FCS level. The SoCon got to the point where it no longer made sense for App State. The conference was losing members left and right (CofC, Ga. Southern, Elon, Davidson), so App would have been foolish not to get out while they could.

JMU, on the other hand, has a pretty good fit in the CAA. It's a much better league than the SoCon is, who by the way has become almost irrelevant without App and Ga. Southern. The CAA has long time rivals in it for JMU, and it is a good league academically, too.

So getting out of the CAA doesn't seem to be a driving force for a desire to go to FBS the way getting out of the SoCon was for App State. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As for being dominant at FCS level vs. being where App State is... I can just say that App State fans have been spoiled beyond belief to have experienced both. App was a three point loss from making the Cotton Bowl this year, and they finished #19 AP/#18 Coaches. Unreal. And we also had the '05, '06, and '07 championships, which we cherish as well.

I'd say you're somewhat right on CAA Football, not as much on the CAA as a whole. Football it's still been one of the top two FCS conferences for sure, but JMU is a huge reason for that and there's certainly a feeling of small time compared to where we feel we should be when the refs barely know their left from their right or when we're watching an awful Flosports broadcast of JMU playing in front of 12 fans with a track around the field. Watching the football team go to SMU and ECU felt much more like the level our football program belongs on. Aside from Richmond there isn't really anyone in our conference that's appealing for fans, and our pure hatred for Richmond is the only thing keeping the excitement going for that matchup. William & Mary isn't good anymore but there also isn't the level of hate that still fuels the rivalry with Richmond. Delaware isn't near what they used to be. Villanova and some others do put together some good teams but it's just not the exciting matchup or rivalry that ODUh or App State would be and their good teams aren't on the same level as our good teams.

As far as basketball, the CAA lost its best teams along with our biggest rivals when VCU, GMU, and ODUh left. Even if JMU is ever able to turn the team around and other CAA teams are strong, it'll never be as exciting to look forward to matchups with College of Charleston or Hofstra University as it was for VCU, GMU, and ODUh. The CAA is weak in basketball and it's also not very exciting even if it were stronger. It's strong in football, but JMU is head and shoulders above the rest and there's only one conference game where we really look forward to it because of the opponent at all.

(02-06-2020 11:19 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(02-06-2020 09:44 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  There's a lot of debate and differing opinions right now on FBS vs. FCS as you can see in this thread and many others. Some are totally happy with FCS and don't want to leave competing for national championships in order to make underwhelming bowl games. Some are all about FBS at all costs, of course with certain preferences but mostly wanting to do whatever it takes to be FBS ASAP. Some only want to do it for the right conference, with AAC and probably some conference that doesn't exist yet at the top of the list however unlikely those options may be. After those two options, most in that category would love to be in a conference with ODU again or with App State but I don't think they're sold on the current CUSA or SBC so back around to the option of some conference that doesn't exist yet. A lot of us also would really like to see some better in-conference basketball rivals too, although the top concern there is actually improving the basketball team.

I'm personally more in the FBS at all costs camp, I think we should be pushing hard for the AAC even though I'm sure it's practically impossible. If that isn't possible then I think we should be pushing for whatever best stepping stone to the AAC is possible. It's tough for me to say what I would personally enjoy more between where JMU/NDSU are and where App State is, but I do think if JMU or NDSU were to move up they could continue to improve while right now they're probably pretty much at the ceiling of what's possible as FCS programs and there's nowhere to go but down. This FCS dominance may very well be what's more fun for us hardcore fans, but I think a move up is what's best overall for the program long term.

I think one of the things JMU has going for it that App State did not is a stable conference that makes sense for them at the FCS level. The SoCon got to the point where it no longer made sense for App State. The conference was losing members left and right (CofC, Ga. Southern, Elon, Davidson), so App would have been foolish not to get out while they could.

JMU, on the other hand, has a pretty good fit in the CAA. It's a much better league than the SoCon is, who by the way has become almost irrelevant without App and Ga. Southern. The CAA has long time rivals in it for JMU, and it is a good league academically, too.

So getting out of the CAA doesn't seem to be a driving force for a desire to go to FBS the way getting out of the SoCon was for App State. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As for being dominant at FCS level vs. being where App State is... I can just say that App State fans have been spoiled beyond belief to have experienced both. App was a three point loss from making the Cotton Bowl this year, and they finished #19 AP/#18 Coaches. Unreal. And we also had the '05, '06, and '07 championships, which we cherish as well.

funny enough the Southern has become a good basketball league in the years following those defections- it's almost like conferences similar to schools struggle being good at both.

(02-06-2020 06:42 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Hi, JMU fans,

It's the offseason and I'm just wondering from your perspectives, if you all did move to FBS this decade, what conference would you want, or what conference would you want to see created?

too easy but......

it's not offseason for JMU fans.

we have nationally prominent/top 15 ranked softball and lacrosse squads about to start up.

we have women's hoops heading toward an NCAA tournament berth (hopefully) and another NIT bid at worse.

lots to look forward to in the next few months.

not a one-trick pony over here.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...bble-years

looks like it took about 5 years for the Power schools to kill off the mid major at large bid from basketball.

how many years before they completely close the door on the G5 from any meaningful bowl access?

(02-12-2020 05:29 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...bble-years

looks like it took about 5 years for the Power schools to kill off the mid major at large bid from basketball.

how many years before they completely close the door on the G5 from any meaningful bowl access?

I mean they already have them down to one NY6 bowl. I doubt that any G5 team will ever crack the Top 4, even if they beat Bama, Clemson, and Ohio State in the same year.

(02-12-2020 08:24 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 05:29 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...bble-years

looks like it took about 5 years for the Power schools to kill off the mid major at large bid from basketball.

how many years before they completely close the door on the G5 from any meaningful bowl access?

I mean they already have them down to one NY6 bowl. I doubt that any G5 team will ever crack the Top 4, even if they beat Bama, Clemson, and Ohio State in the same year.

UCF is the case study for this. They went undefeated for two years between 2017 - 2018 and never got higher than I think 8 in the CFP rankings and maybe 6 or 7 in the AP/Coaches Poll. It didn't help that they had two ACC games cancelled in that span due to hurricanes, but even had they won those games by as big of a margin as they beat up on Pitt in 2018, you're probably right. They had a 2017 P5 win over Maryland but also had a P5 game against GT cancelled. They went on to beat Auburn in the Peach Bowl that year. In 2018 they had another P5 game cancelled against UNC and then blew the doors off of Pitt. Of course they ended up losing to LSU that year in a bowl game, but still, if that resume over the course of two years doesn't even get you serious considerations into the final four as a G5, nothing will. Would those two additional ACC wins been enough? I doubt it.

(02-12-2020 08:24 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 05:29 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...bble-years

looks like it took about 5 years for the Power schools to kill off the mid major at large bid from basketball.

how many years before they completely close the door on the G5 from any meaningful bowl access?

I mean they already have them down to one NY6 bowl. I doubt that any G5 team will ever crack the Top 4, even if they beat Bama, Clemson, and Ohio State in the same year.

right. but i think the NY6 is meaningful.

the ONLY meaningful bowl in all of G5 land.

the next bowl negotiations might kill that off for good though. Unless the G5 wants to go the lawsuit route.

but once they do that, the P5 will secede from the NCAA and take their balls with them. shutting the door for good.

lawsuits won't help then. can't say there is a 'restriction of trade' or a monopoly if you have two organizations.....the new P5 "NCAA" and the old "everyone else" NCAA.