We learn that:

Petraeus had an affair which may have affected his performance, and resulted in the release of classified materials.

Fed gov't response to Sandy is lacking, people suffering and dying.

Iran attacked US drone.

Significant layoffs coming and other negative consequences from Obamacare.

Glad the US news media is looking out for the good of the country.

(11-13-2012 08:16 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  We learn that:

Petraeus had an affair which may have affected his performance, and resulted in the release of classified materials.

Fed gov't response to Sandy is lacking, people suffering and dying.

Iran attacked US drone.

Significant layoffs coming and other negative consequences from Obamacare.

Glad the US news media is looking out for the good of the country.

I think what concerns me more than Petraeus having an affair is the fact it was discovered by the FBI reading someone's private emails with no apparent legal justification for it.

(11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 08:16 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  We learn that:

Petraeus had an affair which may have affected his performance, and resulted in the release of classified materials.

Fed gov't response to Sandy is lacking, people suffering and dying.

Iran attacked US drone.

Significant layoffs coming and other negative consequences from Obamacare.

Glad the US news media is looking out for the good of the country.

I think what concerns me more than Petraeus having an affair is the fact it was discovered by the FBI reading someone's private emails with no apparent legal justification for it.

He probably paid cash at Starbucks, thereby landing himself on a terrorist watch list. There's your justification.

(11-13-2012 09:55 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 08:16 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  We learn that:

Petraeus had an affair which may have affected his performance, and resulted in the release of classified materials.

Fed gov't response to Sandy is lacking, people suffering and dying.

Iran attacked US drone.

Significant layoffs coming and other negative consequences from Obamacare.

Glad the US news media is looking out for the good of the country.

I think what concerns me more than Petraeus having an affair is the fact it was discovered by the FBI reading someone's private emails with no apparent legal justification for it.

He probably paid cash at Starbucks, thereby landing himself on a terrorist watch list. There's your justification.

That'd do it.

(11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  I think what concerns me more than Petraeus having an affair is the fact it was discovered by the FBI reading someone's private emails with no apparent legal justification for it.

This... and it was a bipartisan law. Bush administration pushed it and the democrats supported it.

(11-13-2012 09:55 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 08:16 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  We learn that:

Petraeus had an affair which may have affected his performance, and resulted in the release of classified materials.

Fed gov't response to Sandy is lacking, people suffering and dying.

Iran attacked US drone.

Significant layoffs coming and other negative consequences from Obamacare.

Glad the US news media is looking out for the good of the country.

I think what concerns me more than Petraeus having an affair is the fact it was discovered by the FBI reading someone's private emails with no apparent legal justification for it.

He probably paid cash at Starbucks, thereby landing himself on a terrorist watch list. There's your justification.

Now Starbucks will be charged with aiding and abetting terrorist by accepting cash payments.

(11-13-2012 11:01 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  I think what concerns me more than Petraeus having an affair is the fact it was discovered by the FBI reading someone's private emails with no apparent legal justification for it.

This... and it was a bipartisan law. Bush administration pushed it and the democrats supported it.

From what I heard on the news this morning the lady who received the threatening emails contacted the FBI. America loves a cat fight.

Eric Cantor knew of the Petraeus affair two weeks before the election.

Any other pointless strawmen you want to prop up you sore losers?

(11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 08:16 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  We learn that:

Petraeus had an affair which may have affected his performance, and resulted in the release of classified materials.

Fed gov't response to Sandy is lacking, people suffering and dying.

Iran attacked US drone.

Significant layoffs coming and other negative consequences from Obamacare.

Glad the US news media is looking out for the good of the country.

I think what concerns me more than Petraeus having an affair is the fact it was discovered by the FBI reading someone's private emails with no apparent legal justification for it.

Actually there was a criminal investigation going on

(11-13-2012 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Eric Cantor knew of the Petraeus affair two weeks before the election.

Any other pointless strawmen you want to prop up you sore losers?

Wait, you put up a straw man to criticize them? No wonder libs like mass transit so much, they obviously can't even find their way home.

The "investigation" was more like a personal favor from a friend. Greenwald has a good piece on this today.

Quote:As is now widely reported, the FBI investigation began when Jill Kelley - a Tampa socialite friendly with Petraeus (and apparently very friendly with Gen. John Allen, the four-star U.S. commander of the war in Afghanistan) - received a half-dozen or so anonymous emails that she found vaguely threatening. She then informed a friend of hers who was an FBI agent, and a major FBI investigation was then launched that set out to determine the identity of the anonymous emailer.

That is the first disturbing fact: it appears that the FBI not only devoted substantial resources, but also engaged in highly invasive surveillance, for no reason other than to do a personal favor for a friend of one of its agents, to find out who was very mildly harassing her by email. The emails Kelley received were, as the Daily Beast reports, quite banal and clearly not an event that warranted an FBI investigation:

Quote:What is most striking is how sweeping, probing and invasive the FBI's investigation then became, all without any evidence of any actual crime - or the need for any search warrant:

"Because the sender's account had been registered anonymously, investigators had to use forensic techniques - including a check of what other e-mail accounts had been accessed from the same computer address - to identify who was writing the e-mails.

"Eventually they identified Ms. Broadwell as a prime suspect and obtained access to her regular e-mail account. In its in-box, they discovered intimate and sexually explicit e-mails from another account that also was not immediately identifiable. Investigators eventually ascertained that it belonged to Mr. Petraeus and studied the possibility that someone had hacked into Mr. Petraeus's account or was posing as him to send the explicit messages."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...-state-fbi

Also, it's interesting to note that Privacy International, a UK-based nonprofit dedicated to privacy rights, did a survey in 2007, ranking (in tiers) how invasive each country's surveillance programs are. Guess which tier the U.S. ranked in? And it's only gotten much, much worse since then.

Quote:This study and the accompanying ranking chart measure the extent of surveillance and privacy. They do not intend to comprehensively reflect the state of democracy or the full extent of legal or parliamentary health or dysfunction in these countries (though the two conditions are frequently linked). The aim of this study is to present an assessment of the extent of information disclosure, surveillance, data exploitation and the general state of information privacy.

https://www.privacyinternational.org/rep...y-rankings

So the scope of the "investigation" was to determine who sent her the not so threatening emails. That was discovered. But they went beyond that to determine who was sending the sender explicit emails that really had nothing to do with the original question they were trying to answer.

Don't think that criminal investigation excuse really stands up.

At least the story of the FBI agent sending shirtless photos to Jill Kelley make more sense now.

Yeah, I think both sides had the same interests of trying to keep this quiet if possible, because it just makes everyone from the FBI to CIA look *AWFUL*.

Fourth Amendment, shmourth amendment.

(11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  I think what concerns me more than Petraeus having an affair is the fact it was discovered by the FBI reading someone's private emails with no apparent legal justification for it.

The argument i heard in regards to this was "when" did the readings start?
If it started during his planned appointed or during his tenure to the CIA, they can go with the "National security" issues. Iffy at best though

If it started before while he was in the CIA.. then it's REALLY an issue..

Well, wasn't the woman sending the emails from Petraeus's gmail account?

I wonder how many people have friends who can turn emails into a "major FBI investigation?"

(11-13-2012 06:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Well, wasn't the woman sending the emails from Petraeus's gmail account?

No, Broadwell sent the e-mails to Kelley anonymously. That's why Kelley asked Allen to use his FBI resources to find investigate.

Broadwell and Petraeus communicated via a dropbox, so that it would be harder to trace.