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So, just a few days after the election - DrTorch - 11-13-2012 08:16 AM We learn that: Petraeus had an affair which may have affected his performance, and resulted in the release of classified materials. Fed gov't response to Sandy is lacking, people suffering and dying. Iran attacked US drone. Significant layoffs coming and other negative consequences from Obamacare. Glad the US news media is looking out for the good of the country. RE: So, just a few days after the election - Ninerfan1 - 11-13-2012 09:53 AM (11-13-2012 08:16 AM)DrTorch Wrote: We learn that: I think what concerns me more than Petraeus having an affair is the fact it was discovered by the FBI reading someone's private emails with no apparent legal justification for it. RE: So, just a few days after the election - BlazerFan11 - 11-13-2012 09:55 AM (11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:(11-13-2012 08:16 AM)DrTorch Wrote: We learn that: He probably paid cash at Starbucks, thereby landing himself on a terrorist watch list. There's your justification. RE: So, just a few days after the election - Ninerfan1 - 11-13-2012 10:01 AM (11-13-2012 09:55 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:(11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:(11-13-2012 08:16 AM)DrTorch Wrote: We learn that: That'd do it. RE: So, just a few days after the election - mlb - 11-13-2012 11:01 AM (11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote: I think what concerns me more than Petraeus having an affair is the fact it was discovered by the FBI reading someone's private emails with no apparent legal justification for it. This... and it was a bipartisan law. Bush administration pushed it and the democrats supported it.
RE: So, just a few days after the election - dcCid - 11-13-2012 11:08 AM (11-13-2012 09:55 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:(11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:(11-13-2012 08:16 AM)DrTorch Wrote: We learn that: Now Starbucks will be charged with aiding and abetting terrorist by accepting cash payments. RE: So, just a few days after the election - dcCid - 11-13-2012 11:10 AM (11-13-2012 11:01 AM)mlb Wrote:(11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote: I think what concerns me more than Petraeus having an affair is the fact it was discovered by the FBI reading someone's private emails with no apparent legal justification for it. From what I heard on the news this morning the lady who received the threatening emails contacted the FBI. America loves a cat fight. RE: So, just a few days after the election - Redwingtom - 11-13-2012 11:12 AM Eric Cantor knew of the Petraeus affair two weeks before the election. Any other pointless strawmen you want to prop up you sore losers? RE: So, just a few days after the election - mixduptransistor - 11-13-2012 11:22 AM (11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:(11-13-2012 08:16 AM)DrTorch Wrote: We learn that: Actually there was a criminal investigation going on RE: So, just a few days after the election - DrTorch - 11-13-2012 11:50 AM (11-13-2012 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Eric Cantor knew of the Petraeus affair two weeks before the election. Wait, you put up a straw man to criticize them? No wonder libs like mass transit so much, they obviously can't even find their way home. RE: So, just a few days after the election - BlazerFan11 - 11-13-2012 11:53 AM The "investigation" was more like a personal favor from a friend. Greenwald has a good piece on this today. Quote:As is now widely reported, the FBI investigation began when Jill Kelley - a Tampa socialite friendly with Petraeus (and apparently very friendly with Gen. John Allen, the four-star U.S. commander of the war in Afghanistan) - received a half-dozen or so anonymous emails that she found vaguely threatening. She then informed a friend of hers who was an FBI agent, and a major FBI investigation was then launched that set out to determine the identity of the anonymous emailer. Quote:What is most striking is how sweeping, probing and invasive the FBI's investigation then became, all without any evidence of any actual crime - or the need for any search warrant: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/13/petraeus-surveillance-state-fbi Also, it's interesting to note that Privacy International, a UK-based nonprofit dedicated to privacy rights, did a survey in 2007, ranking (in tiers) how invasive each country's surveillance programs are. Guess which tier the U.S. ranked in? And it's only gotten much, much worse since then. Quote:This study and the accompanying ranking chart measure the extent of surveillance and privacy. They do not intend to comprehensively reflect the state of democracy or the full extent of legal or parliamentary health or dysfunction in these countries (though the two conditions are frequently linked). The aim of this study is to present an assessment of the extent of information disclosure, surveillance, data exploitation and the general state of information privacy. ![]() https://www.privacyinternational.org/reports/surveillance-monitor-2007-international-country-rankings So, just a few days after the election - Ninerfan1 - 11-13-2012 12:14 PM So the scope of the "investigation" was to determine who sent her the not so threatening emails. That was discovered. But they went beyond that to determine who was sending the sender explicit emails that really had nothing to do with the original question they were trying to answer. Don't think that criminal investigation excuse really stands up. RE: So, just a few days after the election - I45owl - 11-13-2012 01:13 PM At least the story of the FBI agent sending shirtless photos to Jill Kelley make more sense now. RE: So, just a few days after the election - UCF08 - 11-13-2012 01:34 PM Yeah, I think both sides had the same interests of trying to keep this quiet if possible, because it just makes everyone from the FBI to CIA look *AWFUL*. RE: So, just a few days after the election - Smaug - 11-13-2012 03:06 PM Fourth Amendment, shmourth amendment. RE: So, just a few days after the election - DaSaintFan - 11-13-2012 05:53 PM (11-13-2012 09:53 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote: I think what concerns me more than Petraeus having an affair is the fact it was discovered by the FBI reading someone's private emails with no apparent legal justification for it. The argument i heard in regards to this was "when" did the readings start? If it started during his planned appointed or during his tenure to the CIA, they can go with the "National security" issues. Iffy at best though If it started before while he was in the CIA.. then it's REALLY an issue.. RE: So, just a few days after the election - UCF08 - 11-13-2012 06:06 PM Well, wasn't the woman sending the emails from Petraeus's gmail account? RE: So, just a few days after the election - smn1256 - 11-13-2012 07:54 PM I wonder how many people have friends who can turn emails into a "major FBI investigation?" RE: So, just a few days after the election - BlazerFan11 - 11-13-2012 07:55 PM (11-13-2012 06:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote: Well, wasn't the woman sending the emails from Petraeus's gmail account? No, Broadwell sent the e-mails to Kelley anonymously. That's why Kelley asked Allen to use his FBI resources to find investigate. Broadwell and Petraeus communicated via a dropbox, so that it would be harder to trace. |