https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

Yay!!! Please take all of those states away. Then we can reduce the deficit!!!

Hmmm...not sure how I feel about this. Definitely more about making a statement, but if Texas seceded, that actually wouldn't surprise me.

This is overreacting.
It's only 4 years and it's not going to be that bad. At least, I keep telling myself that.

Maybe this is a bit of an overreaction. The thing I noticed is both red & blue states having these petitions. Maybe this is the start of something a little more serious. I really don't know. Will be interesting to see what transpires in the next 5-10 years. Hopefully the Union indeed stays intact.

Well, if states rebel and secede, at least the U.S. government invested in unmanned aerial drones to stop anyone from trying. We'll be safer because of that...

...right?

The Presidential Proclamation declaring peace between the United States and Texas after the Civil War, dated August 20, 1866, states very clearly in the following passage that no state had the right to leave the Union (emphasis added in all capitals):

And whereas,
the President of the United States, by further proclamation issued on the second day of April, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six, did promulgate and declare, that there no longer existed any armed resistance of misguided citizens, or others, to the authority of the United States in any, or in all the States before mentioned, excepting only the State of Texas, and did further promulgate and declare that the laws could be sustained and enforced in the several States before mentioned, except Texas, by the proper civil authorities, State, or Federal, and that the people of the said States, except Texas, are well and loyally disposed, and have conformed or will conform in their legislation to the condition of affairs growing out of the amendment to the Constitution of the United States, prohibiting slavery within the limits and jurisdiction of the United States;

And did further declare in the same proclamation THAT IT IS THE MANIFEST DETERMINATION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT NO STATE, OF ITS OWN WILL, HAS A RIGHT OR POWER TO GO OUT OF OR SEPARATE ITSELF FROM, OR BE SEPARATED FROM THE AMERICAN UNION; and that, therefore, each State ought to remain and constitute an integral part of the United States;

See ya in the funny papers.

And here we thought ODS could not get any worse.

(11-11-2012 08:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  This is overreacting.
It's only 4 years and it's not going to be that bad. At least, I keep telling myself that.

Yes...I have contacts in the building material industry(plywood) that are predicting an upturn by the 2nd quarter of 2013 and a great 2nd half of the year. Housing is slowing improving. It has been so bad that even a slight upswing will be great news for our industry. BTW...It has been bad for more than 4 years.

Wow, nutjobs on the internet make up petition. News at 11.

You guys are acting like a) those petitions have any weight b) they actually represent what any significant portion of said state wishes or c) any state could secede if they wanted to

I will say, though, how many people from blue states were jumping up and down and calling liberal talk shows and posting on the internet about seceding from the union? For a group of people who claim to be the ones who truly love America, crazy redneck southerners always seem so ready to destroy/leave it.

I lean to the side that this is probably nothing. But to claim this is just racist rednecks in the south is far off. You have states like Oregon, Michigan, New Jersey, and New York w/ these petitions.

Dumb....

No state was won by a large enough margin for this to be anything but a joke..

O will be delighted to have such long kill lists.

They'll have the drones perfected by the time he finishes.

(11-11-2012 08:51 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I lean to the side that this is probably nothing. But to claim this is just racist rednecks in the south is far off. You have states like Oregon, Michigan, New Jersey, and New York w/ these petitions.

I never said racist, and you are putting a lot of credence into stuff on the internet. One person could have submitted all of those. There are 300+ million people in the country. I can find someone in each state who believes that Queen Elizabeth II is a reptilian humanoid sent from outer space to rule over the human race.

(11-11-2012 09:26 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 08:51 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I lean to the side that this is probably nothing. But to claim this is just racist rednecks in the south is far off. You have states like Oregon, Michigan, New Jersey, and New York w/ these petitions.

I never said racist, and you are putting a lot of credence into stuff on the internet. One person could have submitted all of those. There are 300+ million people in the country. I can find someone in each state who believes that Queen Elizabeth II is a reptilian humanoid sent from outer space to rule over the human race.

Wasn't exactly replying to you. I'm not putting much stock into this. Even if a state gets the 25K required, nothing will more than likely happen.

(11-11-2012 08:51 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I lean to the side that this is probably nothing. But to claim this is just racist rednecks in the south is far off. You have states like Oregon, Michigan, New Jersey, and New York w/ these petitions.

If it makes you feel better we could call them racists and rednecks from the north but they are racists and rednecks yet and still.

(11-11-2012 09:31 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 08:51 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I lean to the side that this is probably nothing. But to claim this is just racist rednecks in the south is far off. You have states like Oregon, Michigan, New Jersey, and New York w/ these petitions.

If it makes you feel better we could call them racists and rednecks from the north but they are racists and rednecks yet and still.

How do you know this isn't wacked out Environmentalist or pissed off Labor folk signing the petition from those states?

TX and LA both passed 25,000 and will have to be answered. TX is past 65,000.

(11-11-2012 09:26 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 08:51 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I lean to the side that this is probably nothing. But to claim this is just racist rednecks in the south is far off. You have states like Oregon, Michigan, New Jersey, and New York w/ these petitions.

I never said racist, and you are putting a lot of credence into stuff on the internet. One person could have submitted all of those. There are 300+ million people in the country. I can find someone in each state who believes that Queen Elizabeth II is a reptilian humanoid sent from outer space to rule over the human race.

Actually that's Donald Rumsfield.