(11-12-2012 12:56 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 12:42 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Romney should have known about it, and if he hadn't, once he heard about it he should have righted the situation. I don't see that happening, so in the end, it was his decision (either for it to happen, or to not correct it).

You go with that. I'll wait to see some follow up reporting on the matter. If it happens.

Have you heard otherwise? Honest question.

(11-12-2012 12:57 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 12:56 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 12:42 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Romney should have known about it, and if he hadn't, once he heard about it he should have righted the situation. I don't see that happening, so in the end, it was his decision (either for it to happen, or to not correct it).

You go with that. I'll wait to see some follow up reporting on the matter. If it happens.

Have you heard otherwise? Honest question.

No.

But I'm also still waiting on if Obama ever apologized for stiffing two Ohio municipalities for campaign expenses.

(11-12-2012 01:02 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 12:57 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 12:56 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 12:42 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Romney should have known about it, and if he hadn't, once he heard about it he should have righted the situation. I don't see that happening, so in the end, it was his decision (either for it to happen, or to not correct it).

You go with that. I'll wait to see some follow up reporting on the matter. If it happens.

Have you heard otherwise? Honest question.

No.

But I'm also still waiting on if Obama ever apologized for stiffing two Ohio municipalities for campaign expenses.

That has nothing to do with my claim about Romney. Address the issue.

(11-12-2012 01:05 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 01:02 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 12:57 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 12:56 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 12:42 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Romney should have known about it, and if he hadn't, once he heard about it he should have righted the situation. I don't see that happening, so in the end, it was his decision (either for it to happen, or to not correct it).

You go with that. I'll wait to see some follow up reporting on the matter. If it happens.

Have you heard otherwise? Honest question.

No.

But I'm also still waiting on if Obama ever apologized for stiffing two Ohio municipalities for campaign expenses.

That has nothing to do with my claim about Romney. Address the issue.

I did. I said I hadn't heard any follow up reporting. I said I was withholding judgement til I do. However it has everything to do with the foundation for your criticism of him about it.

Now, are you going to apply the same standard to Obama that you did Romney? It's a campaign finance issue and everything. you've made clear candidates are supposed to know about such things, and if they don't and find out later correct them. Does that apply to Obama? If so let's have some of that criticism.

(11-12-2012 01:08 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 01:05 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 01:02 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 12:57 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 12:56 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  You go with that. I'll wait to see some follow up reporting on the matter. If it happens.

Have you heard otherwise? Honest question.

No.

But I'm also still waiting on if Obama ever apologized for stiffing two Ohio municipalities for campaign expenses.

That has nothing to do with my claim about Romney. Address the issue.

I did. I said I hadn't heard any follow up reporting. I said I was withholding judgement til I do. However it has everything to do with the foundation for your criticism of him about it.

Now, are you going to apply the same standard to Obama that you did Romney? It's a campaign finance issue and everything. you've made clear candidates are supposed to know about such things, and if they don't and find out later correct them. Does that apply to Obama? If so let's have some of that criticism.

I read your link and it has a picture of Romney and talks about a republican mayor complaining. The article is dated 10/16 and does not even say if the Obama campaign has been invoiced. It says that Romney was invoiced, but not if his campaign paid.

Regardless,sticking it to your own staff are vastly different issues.

However I will give you credit for being the only one on the board sticking up for your candidate.

Dude is giving his staffer severance till the end of the month. I've never heard of a campaign doing that. The CC thing? small potatoes compared to giving 3 weeks paid time off after the election.

(11-12-2012 04:35 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Dude is giving his staffer severance till the end of the month. I've never heard of a campaign doing that. The CC thing? small potatoes compared to giving 3 weeks paid time off after the election.

Seriously? Wow. Never heard of anyone doing that.

(11-12-2012 04:35 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Dude is giving his staffer severance till the end of the month. I've never heard of a campaign doing that. The CC thing? small potatoes compared to giving 3 weeks paid time off after the election.

That is good for him.

Is he reimbursing staffers for flights back home?

(11-12-2012 04:47 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:35 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Dude is giving his staffer severance till the end of the month. I've never heard of a campaign doing that. The CC thing? small potatoes compared to giving 3 weeks paid time off after the election.

That is good for him.

Is he reimbursing staffers for flights back home?

If he's doing that, good. Regardless of the reimbursement, I'd imagine that those costs would be covered. Do you have a source for this?

(11-12-2012 04:47 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:35 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Dude is giving his staffer severance till the end of the month. I've never heard of a campaign doing that. The CC thing? small potatoes compared to giving 3 weeks paid time off after the election.

That is good for him.

Is he reimbursing staffers for flights back home?

no idea. I would imagine so.

(11-12-2012 04:54 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:47 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:35 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Dude is giving his staffer severance till the end of the month. I've never heard of a campaign doing that. The CC thing? small potatoes compared to giving 3 weeks paid time off after the election.

That is good for him.

Is he reimbursing staffers for flights back home?

If he's doing that, good. Regardless of the reimbursement, I'd imagine that those costs would be covered. Do you have a source for this?

It was in the New York Times this weekend.

(11-12-2012 04:55 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:54 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:47 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:35 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Dude is giving his staffer severance till the end of the month. I've never heard of a campaign doing that. The CC thing? small potatoes compared to giving 3 weeks paid time off after the election.

That is good for him.

Is he reimbursing staffers for flights back home?

If he's doing that, good. Regardless of the reimbursement, I'd imagine that those costs would be covered. Do you have a source for this?

It was in the New York Times this weekend.

The attached link references the NYT comment that Romney will pay his staffers through the end of November.

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2...-His-Staff


However I am still witing to hear they will be made whole on thir expenses.

If a dem had done this the right would have been all over it. Fox would be having a field day and would be 24/7 non stop discussion.

(11-12-2012 10:38 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Bull and Niner................

Do you honestly think Obama made "THE CALL" to abandon people.? Honestly

Why is it more believable that he made "THE CALL" on Bin Laden.

and Honestly, Obama's problem wasn't abandoning Benghazi, it's covering up for the failure in communication.

To the CC issue.... I'm calling BS.

When you check in, they authorize your card for some amount.... usually room, taxes, and some reasonable amount for incidentals. Let's say they authorized $150 for your $99 hotel. Your bill the next day is 149.99. You go to breakfast taking your bill to 170. The computer tries to authorize another 20 and you get a notice. Their authorization number for the $150 is still valid.

The comment that it isn't common doesn't mean it isn't proper. I'm not sure of campaign finance laws, but I suspect you can't charge breakfast the next day after a campaign has ended. I mean, if I flew to NY and quit my job or was fired or the company closed that night, I couldn't go charge breakfast to the company the next day. There are still expenses to be worked out... but the rules are quite different. I don't specifically know, but neither do any of you, unless you're experts in campaign finance law. The idea that they left employees with their bill for hotel rooms is a lie. Anyone knowing anything about checking into a hotel with a credit card knows this.

(11-12-2012 04:47 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:35 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Dude is giving his staffer severance till the end of the month. I've never heard of a campaign doing that. The CC thing? small potatoes compared to giving 3 weeks paid time off after the election.

Seriously? Wow. Never heard of anyone doing that.

Obama gave his free healthcare....for life.

HAMBONE........... Not you too.

Quote:Why is it more believable that he made "THE CALL" on Bin Laden.

Well let's see here. One was planned at a time of our choosing and the other was an attack you "didn't" plan for.


G Damn it guys............. I just don't get this and I don't think I'm being blinded by partisanship. I pride myself in trying to see an argument from the other side. I'm trying to look at this......... I really am, but it just seems so dam hypocritcal to me.

Explain this

22 January 2002 Calcutta Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami gunmen attack Consulate, 5 DEAD

14 June 2002 Karachi al-Qaeda truck bomb detonates outside Consulate, 12 DEAD

12 October 2002 Denpasar Consular Office bombed by Jemaah Islamiyah as part of the Bali bombings, (Thankfully)0 DEAD

28 February 2003 Islamabad Unknown gunmen attack Embassy 2 DEAD

30 June 2004 Tashkent Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan suicide bomber attacks Embassy, 2 DEAD

6 December 2004 Jeddah al-Qaeda gunmen raid diplomatic compound, 9 DEAD

2 March 2006 Karachi Car bomb explodes outside Embassy Assailants unknown, 2 DEAD

12 September 2006 Damascus Gunmen raid US Embassy 4 DEAD

12 January 2007 Athens RPG Fired at Embassy by Revolutionary Struggle (again, thankfully ) 0 DEAD
Posted by Ninerfan1 - Today 10:55 AM


WHY DIDN'T WE HEAR YOU GUY"S BITCHING ABOUT ANY OF THESE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

because Democrats understand that there is a time to come together under a national tragedy and the other side looks for opportunities to backstab.



Thank GOD Al Gore wasn't President during 9-11. You guys would have been calling for a firing line. Poor Al wouldn't of had a chance. Just a blind fold and cigarette. No Inconvenient Truth. Just a grave stone telling about how his dereliction led to death of thousands at the WTC. Benghazi is proof positive you guys put party in front of country. Every single time.

Mach,

Simple question. We know based on the ABC report I provided you that Obama ordered military assets to the region for contingency. Is it your opinion he was never asked whether he wanted them deployed to help?

Simple question.

Niner,


I don't know. I would hope that he delegated that call. I know you have heard the term fog of war. I would cut the guy some slack.

Now maybe I'm tired and I'll feel differently about this later but I have noticed times of sluggish avoidance. You noticed it at the Denver debate. He thought he would win by showing up. The most disappointed I have been in him was after the Fort Hood shooting. I remember being appalled at the shout out to a local Indian Sheriff when the country was watching for a somber President mourning a tragic loss. He has these moments where he needs his A game and he mails it in. That definitely could have happened here but g damn it other people need to be on their A game too and he should be able to delegate this without arm chair QB's.


I'm sickened that I never heard of these twelve attacks on Bush's watch at anywhere near this intensity. In my opinion it's piling on.

(11-12-2012 10:45 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Now maybe I'm tired and I'll feel differently about this later but I have noticed times of sluggish avoidance. You noticed it at the Denver debate. He thought he would win by showing up. The most disappointed I have been in him was after the Fort Hood shooting. I remember being appalled at the shout out to a local Indian Sheriff when the country was watching for a somber President mourning a tragic loss. He has these moments where he needs his A game and he mails it in. That definitely could have happened here but g damn it other people need to be on their A game too and he should be able to delegate this without arm chair QB's.

It's all a charade, and sometimes he forgets that he's on stage. He's a Chicago street hustler taking us for a ride. I have this lingering notion that, every night before he goes to bed he looks in the mirror and says, "Damn, I fooled them another day."

I've expressed the opinion on here that he is a socialist. I actually think he may be more of an egomaniac, and socialism is the game he plays because promising things is the way to get the masses to massage your ego. That certainly comes across in his autobiographies. These are opinions, not hard facts, but I do have what I believe to be ample factual support to at least raise the issue.

Of course a big part of it with me is that at one time I did some pro bono work defending runaway teens facing drug and prostitution charges--street hustlers and survivors--and so many of Obama's mannerisms and speaking patterns remind me of those kids--particularly the way they acted when they were lying. I just can't shake how uncanny the resemblance is--speaking cadence, inflections, gestures, expressions. I noticed it first time in the 2004 convention speech, and repeatedly ever since.

I do note that some people whose viewpoints are very different, like Bill O'Reilly, have met him and profess to like him; I wonder whether I'd take the same feelings away from a face-to-face meeting.

Of course, we can all take comfort in the fact that throughout history, egomaniacal socialists have never been a problem. Oh, wait...