(11-07-2012 11:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 11:53 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 11:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 10:54 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is EXACTLY the kind of redherring BS that causes voters to repudiate the religious right. Obviously this won't happen if we treat transgendered persons with dignity.

But the religious right always uses the 'trannies in the bathroom' argument to attack all Gay rights measures.

It doesn't work anymore. You just degrade your own cause.

Yea its not like the ACLU and far left pushes transgender rights as the next horizon. The question is will Gays abandon them as merely 'trannies in the bathroom' now that the homosexuals are getting what they want.

Transgenders to deserve rights just like anyone else, are you arguing otherwise?

But saying the above statements doesn't in any way imply that that come at the cost of allowing them to expose themselves to a group of children, only a moron would take that to such extremes. But then again, who am I talking to?

I once saw a commercial for a show about a person who wanted all her limbs surgically removed because n her mind that's what he was born to be. There was a recent story about a NYC cop who wanted to eat 100 women all while keeping them alive as long as he could so they stay tender. Now your mileage may vary, but these people are nuts. Certifiable. Do we create protected categories for them, or do we chase them with butterfly nets?

Go ahead, defend them.

Are you really comparing Hanibal Lecter to a group of people who are born one way, but feel like they maybe someone else?

No, you are.

You're a moron.

Well if they didn't matter they wouldn't have called them "issues".

Why are adults changing in the same room as six year olds anyway? Straight, gay, transgender, whatever? Sometimes you can distill it down to a simpler argument.

(11-07-2012 10:35 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 10:29 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 08:48 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 07:19 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yeah, two consenting adults marrying and some 45 year old nut in the girls' locker room have some equivalence.

Wouldn't want to use common sense around Bull. Not going to get you anywhere.

Are you honestly going to contend that the groups pushing for LGBT, Notice the T, are not the same people that have not been pushing for greater transgender access?

Its the same political movement...

No, it isn't, it's a very extreme minority of a large movement.

Go lie to someone else. It's the same movement by definition, and it's the same movement whenever you talk to anyone involved.

Progressives crack me up. First "that's just a slippery slope argument" then 20 years later "It's just the right thing to do."

Who gives a damn if a dude dresses up like a woman or vise versa. You don't have to like it. I don't like stupid rednecks that drive around with truck nuts on their truck. Again, I'm curious why grown adults are changing in the same room as 6 year olds period. It wouldn't be happening in the men's locker room at all. This is an insanely simple problem to fix.

(11-08-2012 06:44 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  Why are adults changing in the same room as six year olds anyway? Straight, gay, transgender, whatever? Sometimes you can distill it down to a simpler argument.

Ever been to the Y? Perhaps the college hosts a public swimming class for kids..

Right the problem here is that at the Y 60yo's and 6yo's (assuming with parents) share the same locker room...

(11-08-2012 07:03 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  Who gives a damn if a dude dresses up like a woman or vise versa. You don't have to like it. I don't like stupid rednecks that drive around with truck nuts on their truck. Again, I'm curious why grown adults are changing in the same room as 6 year olds period. It wouldn't be happening in the men's locker room at all. This is an insanely simple problem to fix.

Right so simple... Just mandate that every Y, public pool, or pool that hosts swim classes install two more changing rooms... So simple..

This entire thread started *I don't care who screws who and who dresses like what* I just don't believe tolerance is their end game, acceptance and celebration is.