Frankly I don't give a fat rats behind what two people do in their own bedroom, I actually don't care about two people getting married. What I do care about is how that status helps agitators push their lifestyle on schools..

Quote:College Allows Transgender Man to Expose Himself to Young Girls

A Washington college said their non-discrimination policy prevents them from stopping a transgender man from exposing himself to young girls inside a women’s locker room, according to a group of concerned parents.

“Little girls should not be exposed to naked men, period,” said David Hacker, senior legal counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom. A group of concerned parents contacted the legal firm for help.

Hacker said a 45-year-old male student, who dresses as a woman and goes by the name Colleen Francis, undressed and exposed his genitals on several occasions inside the woman’s locker room at Evergreen State College.

Students from nearby Olympia High School as well as children at a local swimming club share locker rooms with the college.

According to a police report, the mother of a 17-year-old girl complained after her daughter saw the transgender individual walking naked in the locker room. A female swim coach confronted the man sprawled out in a sauna exposing himself. She ordered him to leave and called police.

The coach later apologized when she discovered the man was transgendered but explained there were girls using the facility as young as six years old who weren’t used to seeing male genitals

But those 6 year old wont be disturbed for long..

Middle school students are getting taught gay sex acts without parental notification

I've been priveledged enough to spend a week at Evergreen State with a friend that goes there. Craziest ******* people and college ever. They have great drugs.

Yeah, two consenting adults marrying and some 45 year old nut in the girls' locker room have some equivalence.

(11-07-2012 07:19 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yeah, two consenting adults marrying and some 45 year old nut in the girls' locker room have some equivalence.

How dare you call him a nut... The guy thinks he is a woman and who the hell are you to tell him otherwise..

(11-07-2012 08:35 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 07:19 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yeah, two consenting adults marrying and some 45 year old nut in the girls' locker room have some equivalence.

How dare you call him a nut... The guy thinks he is a woman and who the hell are you to tell him otherwise..

Does he own a mirror?

(11-07-2012 07:19 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yeah, two consenting adults marrying and some 45 year old nut in the girls' locker room have some equivalence.

Wouldn't want to use common sense around Bull. Not going to get you anywhere.

As usual...The most outrageous examples get used to make points. I admit...I have done it also.

(11-07-2012 08:35 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 07:19 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yeah, two consenting adults marrying and some 45 year old nut in the girls' locker room have some equivalence.

How dare you call him a nut... The guy thinks he is a woman and who the hell are you to tell him otherwise..

if he wants to be a women, have the operation...

you genitals should match the bathroom/locker room you use.

(11-07-2012 07:19 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yeah, two consenting adults marrying and some 45 year old nut in the girls' locker room have some equivalence.

Expecting the average American voter to understand the concept of nuance is like expecting the Sun to not come up in the morning

(11-07-2012 08:48 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 07:19 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yeah, two consenting adults marrying and some 45 year old nut in the girls' locker room have some equivalence.

Wouldn't want to use common sense around Bull. Not going to get you anywhere.

Are you honestly going to contend that the groups pushing for LGBT, Notice the T, are not the same people that have not been pushing for greater transgender access?

Its the same political movement...

(11-07-2012 10:29 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 08:48 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 07:19 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Yeah, two consenting adults marrying and some 45 year old nut in the girls' locker room have some equivalence.

Wouldn't want to use common sense around Bull. Not going to get you anywhere.

Are you honestly going to contend that the groups pushing for LGBT, Notice the T, are not the same people that have not been pushing for greater transgender access?

Its the same political movement...

No, it isn't, it's a very extreme minority of a large movement. Just like your social conservative movement isn't the movement of the WBC, is it? Do you think god is killing US soldiers because of homosexuality or whatever they think? Or would you just brush them off as 'oh they're obviously not part of the movement in it's entirety', because here's a hint: you poll the majority of americans that are for gay marriage or civil unions? You're not going to find any appreciable number of people who think this above situation is ok.

For sh*ts sake man, the election just happened, can we tone down the absurdity of the rhetoric for like a week or two please?

(11-07-2012 10:35 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  No, it isn't, it's a very extreme minority of a large movement. Just like your social conservative movement isn't the movement of the WBC, is it?

So your saying Joe Biden is the democratic equivalent of the WBC?

Vice President Joe Biden said transgender discrimination is "the civil rights issue of our time" during a visit to a Florida field office on Tuesday, according to pool reports. -- Huffpo

(11-07-2012 06:42 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Frankly I don't give a fat rats behind what two people do in their own bedroom, I actually don't care about two people getting married. What I do care about is how that status helps agitators push their lifestyle on schools..

Quote:College Allows Transgender Man to Expose Himself to Young Girls

A Washington college said their non-discrimination policy prevents them from stopping a transgender man from exposing himself to young girls inside a women’s locker room, according to a group of concerned parents.

“Little girls should not be exposed to naked men, period,” said David Hacker, senior legal counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom. A group of concerned parents contacted the legal firm for help.

Hacker said a 45-year-old male student, who dresses as a woman and goes by the name Colleen Francis, undressed and exposed his genitals on several occasions inside the woman’s locker room at Evergreen State College.

Students from nearby Olympia High School as well as children at a local swimming club share locker rooms with the college.

According to a police report, the mother of a 17-year-old girl complained after her daughter saw the transgender individual walking naked in the locker room. A female swim coach confronted the man sprawled out in a sauna exposing himself. She ordered him to leave and called police.

The coach later apologized when she discovered the man was transgendered but explained there were girls using the facility as young as six years old who weren’t used to seeing male genitals

But those 6 year old wont be disturbed for long..

Middle school students are getting taught gay sex acts without parental notification

This is EXACTLY the kind of redherring BS that causes voters to repudiate the religious right. Obviously this won't happen if we treat transgendered persons with dignity.

But the religious right always uses the 'trannies in the bathroom' argument to attack all Gay rights measures.

It doesn't work anymore. You just degrade your own cause.

(11-07-2012 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is EXACTLY the kind of redherring BS that causes voters to repudiate the religious right. Obviously this won't happen if we treat transgendered persons with dignity.

But the religious right always uses the 'trannies in the bathroom' argument to attack all Gay rights measures.

It doesn't work anymore. You just degrade your own cause.

Yea its not like the ACLU and far left pushes transgender rights as the next horizon. The question is will Gays abandon them as merely 'trannies in the bathroom' now that the homosexuals are getting what they want.

(11-07-2012 10:42 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 10:35 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  No, it isn't, it's a very extreme minority of a large movement. Just like your social conservative movement isn't the movement of the WBC, is it?

So your saying Joe Biden is the democratic equivalent of the WBC?

Vice President Joe Biden said transgender discrimination is "the civil rights issue of our time" during a visit to a Florida field office on Tuesday, according to pool reports. -- Huffpo

Because 'transgender issues' don't equate to "let them show their dicks to little kids', unless of course you're an idiot.

(11-07-2012 10:54 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is EXACTLY the kind of redherring BS that causes voters to repudiate the religious right. Obviously this won't happen if we treat transgendered persons with dignity.

But the religious right always uses the 'trannies in the bathroom' argument to attack all Gay rights measures.

It doesn't work anymore. You just degrade your own cause.

Yea its not like the ACLU and far left pushes transgender rights as the next horizon. The question is will Gays abandon them as merely 'trannies in the bathroom' now that the homosexuals are getting what they want.

Transgenders to deserve rights just like anyone else, are you arguing otherwise?

But saying the above statements doesn't in any way imply that that come at the cost of allowing them to expose themselves to a group of children, only a moron would take that to such extremes. But then again, who am I talking to?

(11-07-2012 11:07 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 10:42 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 10:35 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  No, it isn't, it's a very extreme minority of a large movement. Just like your social conservative movement isn't the movement of the WBC, is it?

So your saying Joe Biden is the democratic equivalent of the WBC?

Vice President Joe Biden said transgender discrimination is "the civil rights issue of our time" during a visit to a Florida field office on Tuesday, according to pool reports. -- Huffpo

Because 'transgender issues' don't equate to "let them show their dicks to little kids', unless of course you're an idiot.

According to the ACLU restroom and changing room access is among the number one civil liberties issues that transgender people are fighting for.

Quote:It remains somewhat unclear. In 1993, the highest court in Washington
upheld the right of an employer to prohibit a transgender employee from
using the restroom consistent with her gender identity until after she
had undergone sex reassignment surgery. A court might rule differently
if such a case arose today. We now have a state law—the WLAD—that
specifically protects against discrimination in employment and places
of public accommodation based on one’s gender expression or identity.
Moreover, the Washington State Human Rights Commission (HRC)—
the organization responsible for enforcing the WLAD—publicly
supports the right of transgender persons to use the restroom consistent
with their gender identity.4 -- ACLU paper on Transgender rights in Wahsington..

Transgender rights on the left include public accommodation access consistent with their gender identity... That includes he-she's using the same locker rooms at the Y that little kids use..

(11-07-2012 11:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 10:54 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is EXACTLY the kind of redherring BS that causes voters to repudiate the religious right. Obviously this won't happen if we treat transgendered persons with dignity.

But the religious right always uses the 'trannies in the bathroom' argument to attack all Gay rights measures.

It doesn't work anymore. You just degrade your own cause.

Yea its not like the ACLU and far left pushes transgender rights as the next horizon. The question is will Gays abandon them as merely 'trannies in the bathroom' now that the homosexuals are getting what they want.

Transgenders to deserve rights just like anyone else, are you arguing otherwise?

But saying the above statements doesn't in any way imply that that come at the cost of allowing them to expose themselves to a group of children, only a moron would take that to such extremes. But then again, who am I talking to?

I once saw a commercial for a show about a person who wanted all her limbs surgically removed because n her mind that's what he was born to be. There was a recent story about a NYC cop who wanted to eat 100 women all while keeping them alive as long as he could so they stay tender. Now your mileage may vary, but these people are nuts. Certifiable. Do we create protected categories for them, or do we chase them with butterfly nets?

Go ahead, defend them.

(11-07-2012 11:53 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 11:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 10:54 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is EXACTLY the kind of redherring BS that causes voters to repudiate the religious right. Obviously this won't happen if we treat transgendered persons with dignity.

But the religious right always uses the 'trannies in the bathroom' argument to attack all Gay rights measures.

It doesn't work anymore. You just degrade your own cause.

Yea its not like the ACLU and far left pushes transgender rights as the next horizon. The question is will Gays abandon them as merely 'trannies in the bathroom' now that the homosexuals are getting what they want.

Transgenders to deserve rights just like anyone else, are you arguing otherwise?

But saying the above statements doesn't in any way imply that that come at the cost of allowing them to expose themselves to a group of children, only a moron would take that to such extremes. But then again, who am I talking to?

I once saw a commercial for a show about a person who wanted all her limbs surgically removed because n her mind that's what he was born to be. There was a recent story about a NYC cop who wanted to eat 100 women all while keeping them alive as long as he could so they stay tender. Now your mileage may vary, but these people are nuts. Certifiable. Do we create protected categories for them, or do we chase them with butterfly nets?

Go ahead, defend them.

Are you really comparing Hanibal Lecter to a group of people who are born one way, but feel like they maybe someone else?

(11-07-2012 11:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Transgenders to deserve rights just like anyone else, are you arguing otherwise?

I have stated, on several occasions, that if I believed in the LGBTQALONOP's ability or even their desire to keep their sickness to themselves I would not deny them anything, even marriage..

The problem is time and time again the filth finds its way into grade schools and it's defended as tolerance. And more and more often schools will not even inform parents of what they are teaching kids..

Thats the problem..

Quote:But saying the above statements doesn't in any way imply that that come at the cost of allowing them to expose themselves to a group of children, only a moron would take that to such extremes. But then again, who am I talking to?

Ummm what do people do in a changing / locker room? They change and expose themselves. Some are bashful, and some are shameless... But so long as they are all the same gender then there are fewer things to worry about.