Boise has 1 win over a winning team, 5-4 BYU. They have games left w 2 winning teams San Jose St and San Diego St.

I don't think La Tech has beaten a winning team, but they did knock off a couple name opponents in Illinois and Virginia and lost a nail biter to a very good Texas A&M team.

Kent St. probably has the best wins of any non-AQ team knocking off an unbeaten top15 team and beating ball st and a couple other decent teams, although the big loss to a Kentucky team that's fallen apart doesn't look good. Toledo has the cincy win and a win over BG and only the OT loss at Arizona. NIU also has the 1 point loss, but Ball St is their best win. Ohio won at Penn St but I think thats their only win over a winning team.

The Big East usually shuffles around late in the yr as they play a week later than most conferences and are pretty balanced talent wise as a league. Cincy blowing that game at Louisville hurts the MAC as much as anything.

(10-30-2012 08:12 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Or just for the Big 10 to continue imploding...

Or for another fight between top teams.

(10-31-2012 03:31 AM)pono Wrote:  Boise has 1 win over a winning team, 5-4 BYU. They have games left w 2 winning teams San Jose St and San Diego St.

I don't think La Tech has beaten a winning team, but they did knock off a couple name opponents in Illinois and Virginia and lost a nail biter to a very good Texas A&M team.

Kent St. probably has the best wins of any non-AQ team knocking off an unbeaten top15 team and beating ball st and a couple other decent teams, although the big loss to a Kentucky team that's fallen apart doesn't look good. Toledo has the cincy win and a win over BG and only the OT loss at Arizona. NIU also has the 1 point loss, but Ball St is their best win. Ohio won at Penn St but I think thats their only win over a winning team.

None of the MAC teams have overly impressive wins. The teams they have defeated (FBS) with winning records are:

Ohio - PSU
Kent - BSU, Rutgers
NIU - BSU
Tol - BGSU, Cinci

Not bad but not world beaters. Neither Pitt nor Cinci have beaten teams with winning records.

Quote:The Big East usually shuffles around late in the yr as they play a week later than most conferences and are pretty balanced talent wise as a league. Cincy blowing that game at Louisville hurts the MAC as much as anything.

Not really. Cinci would probably have shot past Toledo in the polls (despite losing to them) had they beat Louisville. I think Louisville loses a game or 2 still.

(10-31-2012 09:24 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 03:31 AM)pono Wrote:  Boise has 1 win over a winning team, 5-4 BYU. They have games left w 2 winning teams San Jose St and San Diego St.

I don't think La Tech has beaten a winning team, but they did knock off a couple name opponents in Illinois and Virginia and lost a nail biter to a very good Texas A&M team.

Kent St. probably has the best wins of any non-AQ team knocking off an unbeaten top15 team and beating ball st and a couple other decent teams, although the big loss to a Kentucky team that's fallen apart doesn't look good. Toledo has the cincy win and a win over BG and only the OT loss at Arizona. NIU also has the 1 point loss, but Ball St is their best win. Ohio won at Penn St but I think thats their only win over a winning team.

None of the MAC teams have overly impressive wins. The teams they have defeated (FBS) with winning records are:

Ohio - PSU
Kent - BSU, Rutgers
NIU - BSU
Tol - BGSU, Cinci

Not bad but not world beaters. Neither Pitt nor Cinci have beaten teams with winning records.

Quote:The Big East usually shuffles around late in the yr as they play a week later than most conferences and are pretty balanced talent wise as a league. Cincy blowing that game at Louisville hurts the MAC as much as anything.

Not really. Cinci would probably have shot past Toledo in the polls

But not in computer rankings. Would have been much better if Cincy had won.

The winners of the ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, and SEC will go to BCS games in 2012 and 2013 no matter what their final records are.

Then there are four at-large spots. The MAC is not competing against the Big East. The champ is competing against Boise State, Louisiana Tech, and Notre Dame, as well as runners-up from the SEC and Big 12, for the four at-large spots.

The MAC winner needs to finish in the Top 16, have a Big Six champ finish outside the Top 16, and rank ahead of Boise State and Louisiana Tech.

(10-31-2012 10:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 09:24 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 03:31 AM)pono Wrote:  Boise has 1 win over a winning team, 5-4 BYU. They have games left w 2 winning teams San Jose St and San Diego St.

I don't think La Tech has beaten a winning team, but they did knock off a couple name opponents in Illinois and Virginia and lost a nail biter to a very good Texas A&M team.

Kent St. probably has the best wins of any non-AQ team knocking off an unbeaten top15 team and beating ball st and a couple other decent teams, although the big loss to a Kentucky team that's fallen apart doesn't look good. Toledo has the cincy win and a win over BG and only the OT loss at Arizona. NIU also has the 1 point loss, but Ball St is their best win. Ohio won at Penn St but I think thats their only win over a winning team.

None of the MAC teams have overly impressive wins. The teams they have defeated (FBS) with winning records are:

Ohio - PSU
Kent - BSU, Rutgers
NIU - BSU
Tol - BGSU, Cinci

Not bad but not world beaters. Neither Pitt nor Cinci have beaten teams with winning records.

Quote:The Big East usually shuffles around late in the yr as they play a week later than most conferences and are pretty balanced talent wise as a league. Cincy blowing that game at Louisville hurts the MAC as much as anything.

Not really. Cinci would probably have shot past Toledo in the polls

But not in computer rankings. Would have been much better if Cincy had won.

So you're saying a Cinci win over 16th ranked Louisville would not have allowed them to pass an idle Toledo in the computers?

(10-31-2012 11:31 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 10:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 09:24 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 03:31 AM)pono Wrote:  Boise has 1 win over a winning team, 5-4 BYU. They have games left w 2 winning teams San Jose St and San Diego St.

I don't think La Tech has beaten a winning team, but they did knock off a couple name opponents in Illinois and Virginia and lost a nail biter to a very good Texas A&M team.

Kent St. probably has the best wins of any non-AQ team knocking off an unbeaten top15 team and beating ball st and a couple other decent teams, although the big loss to a Kentucky team that's fallen apart doesn't look good. Toledo has the cincy win and a win over BG and only the OT loss at Arizona. NIU also has the 1 point loss, but Ball St is their best win. Ohio won at Penn St but I think thats their only win over a winning team.

None of the MAC teams have overly impressive wins. The teams they have defeated (FBS) with winning records are:

Ohio - PSU
Kent - BSU, Rutgers
NIU - BSU
Tol - BGSU, Cinci

Not bad but not world beaters. Neither Pitt nor Cinci have beaten teams with winning records.

Quote:The Big East usually shuffles around late in the yr as they play a week later than most conferences and are pretty balanced talent wise as a league. Cincy blowing that game at Louisville hurts the MAC as much as anything.

Not really. Cinci would probably have shot past Toledo in the polls

But not in computer rankings. Would have been much better if Cincy had won.

So you're saying a Cinci win over 16th ranked Louisville would not have allowed them to pass an idle Toledo in the computers?

A Cincy win elevates Toledo too. It's tough to pass up a team that beat you if your records are similar.

(10-31-2012 02:19 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  A Cincy win elevates Toledo too. It's tough to pass up a team that beat you if your records are similar.

It happens all the time, especially when coaches' flunkies or sportswriters don't take the time to look and see if the two teams played each other.

(10-31-2012 02:19 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 11:31 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 10:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 09:24 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 03:31 AM)pono Wrote:  Boise has 1 win over a winning team, 5-4 BYU. They have games left w 2 winning teams San Jose St and San Diego St.

I don't think La Tech has beaten a winning team, but they did knock off a couple name opponents in Illinois and Virginia and lost a nail biter to a very good Texas A&M team.

Kent St. probably has the best wins of any non-AQ team knocking off an unbeaten top15 team and beating ball st and a couple other decent teams, although the big loss to a Kentucky team that's fallen apart doesn't look good. Toledo has the cincy win and a win over BG and only the OT loss at Arizona. NIU also has the 1 point loss, but Ball St is their best win. Ohio won at Penn St but I think thats their only win over a winning team.

None of the MAC teams have overly impressive wins. The teams they have defeated (FBS) with winning records are:

Ohio - PSU
Kent - BSU, Rutgers
NIU - BSU
Tol - BGSU, Cinci

Not bad but not world beaters. Neither Pitt nor Cinci have beaten teams with winning records.

Quote:The Big East usually shuffles around late in the yr as they play a week later than most conferences and are pretty balanced talent wise as a league. Cincy blowing that game at Louisville hurts the MAC as much as anything.

Not really. Cinci would probably have shot past Toledo in the polls

But not in computer rankings. Would have been much better if Cincy had won.

So you're saying a Cinci win over 16th ranked Louisville would not have allowed them to pass an idle Toledo in the computers?

A Cincy win elevates Toledo too. It's tough to pass up a team that beat you if your records are similar.

You mean the way 7-1 Rutgers has 151 votes in the Coaches poll while 7-1 Kent has 26?! Also 74-33 in the AP.

(10-31-2012 11:16 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 02:19 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 11:31 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 10:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 09:24 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  None of the MAC teams have overly impressive wins. The teams they have defeated (FBS) with winning records are:

Ohio - PSU
Kent - BSU, Rutgers
NIU - BSU
Tol - BGSU, Cinci

Not bad but not world beaters. Neither Pitt nor Cinci have beaten teams with winning records.


Not really. Cinci would probably have shot past Toledo in the polls

But not in computer rankings. Would have been much better if Cincy had won.

So you're saying a Cinci win over 16th ranked Louisville would not have allowed them to pass an idle Toledo in the computers?

A Cincy win elevates Toledo too. It's tough to pass up a team that beat you if your records are similar.

You mean the way 7-1 Rutgers has 151 votes in the Coaches poll while 7-1 Kent has 26?! Also 74-33 in the AP.

I think there is an understandable lag when a team hasn't received any top 25 votes in decades. I'm sure there are voters last week who weren't even aware of KSU as the team that knocked off Rutgers. As other voters see them getting votes, and if they keep winning, they will gain some momentum.

(10-31-2012 11:16 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 02:19 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 11:31 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 10:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 09:24 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  None of the MAC teams have overly impressive wins. The teams they have defeated (FBS) with winning records are:

Ohio - PSU
Kent - BSU, Rutgers
NIU - BSU
Tol - BGSU, Cinci

Not bad but not world beaters. Neither Pitt nor Cinci have beaten teams with winning records.


Not really. Cinci would probably have shot past Toledo in the polls

But not in computer rankings. Would have been much better if Cincy had won.

So you're saying a Cinci win over 16th ranked Louisville would not have allowed them to pass an idle Toledo in the computers?

A Cincy win elevates Toledo too. It's tough to pass up a team that beat you if your records are similar.

You mean the way 7-1 Rutgers has 151 votes in the Coaches poll while 7-1 Kent has 26?! Also 74-33 in the AP.

I specifically referred to the computer polls. You keep doubling down on stupid.

Plus, Rutgers didn't pass Kent, they were already ahead of Kent.

(10-30-2012 05:44 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  And that's why a MAC team won't make a BCS Bowl: Because the best team in a non-AQ school isn't from the MAC. It's Boise State.

No its not. The MAC has at least 3 teams better than Boise St this year. Its just that Boise St now has a brand that is respected.

(11-01-2012 07:55 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 11:16 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 02:19 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 11:31 AM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(10-31-2012 10:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  But not in computer rankings. Would have been much better if Cincy had won.

So you're saying a Cinci win over 16th ranked Louisville would not have allowed them to pass an idle Toledo in the computers?

A Cincy win elevates Toledo too. It's tough to pass up a team that beat you if your records are similar.

You mean the way 7-1 Rutgers has 151 votes in the Coaches poll while 7-1 Kent has 26?! Also 74-33 in the AP.

I specifically referred to the computer polls. You keep doubling down on stupid.

What, are you 5? Since you are all-knowing help me out here.

After the Toledo-Cinci game the BCS and CPU rankings were:

BCS CPU avg
30. Cincinnati - 33.25
31. Toledo - 29

After the Cinci loss to Louisville (Toledo idle) it's now:

BCS CPU avg
28. Toledo - 25.25
38. Cincinnati - 41

Had Cinci beat #16 UL they would have shot up in computer and human polls.

(10-30-2012 05:31 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 05:16 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 04:41 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 04:32 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 04:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  How is that possible. Or why is that a rule? How would/should #16MAC team pass 11 Oregon state, 13 oklahoma, or 14 Clemson? I understand passing the 3rd, 4th, and 5th from the SEC but not conference #2's ahead of us...

A non-AQ team that finishes in the top 12, or top 16 if ranked ahead of an AQ champion, is guaranteed a BC$ bowl.

I fail to see if MAC team finishes ahead of the big10 champ and is 16th how or where they will be placed in the BCS...

Because that is the rules.

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bcs_s...dures.html

B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

The thread on BCS busting clearly stated that, but no one is too big on facts around here.

So that means only two BCS conferences would have more than 1 team a BCS bowl. Wow. That could leave out 5 or 6 teams ahead of the MAC team... ouch.

SEC 2 teams.
Big12 2 teams.
Pac12 1 team.
Big 10 1 team.
ACC 1 team.
ND.
MAC 1 team.
Big East 1 team.

This is why voters probably wont let this happen for the MAC, they know this and will keep the MAC suppressed. Im not sure who all in the MAC is on the coaches committee for the poll, but if I were Coach Doeren, id artifically inflate all MAC teams into the top 10 to offset the overwhelming desire to keep the MAC out of the top 20 for this BCS possibility.