We'll see, to both posts above. I think reality is in the middle somewhere.

I think UCF can be competitive, but agree it'll take a while before we can be in the top tier if ever. Ideally we'd be somewhere between 6-10 in the standings initially. USF has been a bottom feeder in the BE until recently, but they also played in an old run down arena and had little to no fan support. With the new sun dome renovation and their recent success, I expect their fan support and quality of play to increase to what i'd expect UCF's to be coming in immediately. UCF averaged double USF attendance in crappy cusa, imagine what we'd do with Georgetown, UL, Cinci and Uconn coming to town.

I think those in the BE who don't know about UCF will be pleasantly surprised. We certainly won't be a bottom feeder, even if we are a little out of our league at first. Look for UCF to place between 6-10 initially.

You guys had a solid & surprising win against Uconn last year...

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(10-30-2012 12:54 PM)TheRock Wrote:  SMU is already going to be a different team by the time they enter th BE with the new players they already have coming in.

Providence with Ed Cooley is already on the upswing, so is RU with Mike Rice, DePaul with Oliver Purnell & SJU with Lavs. I also think Ollie will be excellent at Uconn.

Even though I'm not a fan of SHU's coach Williard its mostly b/c he's being out recruited by those other coaches. That said he has bought in some excellent transfers and we will suprise many this season.

There just are no real bottom feeders in the BE this season.

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Wait until the season is over. There are always bottom feeders in the BE bb league, just like any other league. Someone always has to finish at the bottom, and a league that is as large as the BE, multiple teams will finish at the bottom.

(10-30-2012 02:09 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 12:54 PM)TheRock Wrote:  SMU is already going to be a different team by the time they enter th BE with the new players they already have coming in.

Providence with Ed Cooley is already on the upswing, so is RU with Mike Rice, DePaul with Oliver Purnell & SJU with Lavs. I also think Ollie will be excellent at Uconn.

Even though I'm not a fan of SHU's coach Williard its mostly b/c he's being out recruited by those other coaches. That said he has bought in some excellent transfers and we will suprise many this season.

There just are no real bottom feeders in the BE this season.

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Wait until the season is over. There are always bottom feeders in the BE bb league, just like any other league. Someone always has to finish at the bottom, and a league that is as large as the BE, multiple teams will finish at the bottom.

If Uconn finishes last like DeCourcy predicts that doesn't make them a "bottom feeder" that means they probably just finished last in the best conference in the country. Bottom feeder implies they can't compete with the top teams; a condition that has been and will continue be far more prevalent in the ACC.

Whenever any conference team beats Duke or UNC they almost always rush the court. Not in the BE. As a cuse fan you should know after Depaul there were no "easy" wins in the BE...Does a ranked team look forward to going to the RAC and plying RU, or the Dunk and playing prov, or the Rock and playing SHU...those are still quality wins.

So, according to the posts in this thread, every team in the nnBE that is already very good will continue to be very good well into the future. Every team that continually finishes in the bottom of the standings is going to improve. Every cusa call-up is going to improve significantly. Alrighty then. I guess its hard to believe that just last year a team managed to go 17-1 in conference play with soooooo many good teams and sooooo much parity.

(10-30-2012 02:24 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 02:09 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 12:54 PM)TheRock Wrote:  SMU is already going to be a different team by the time they enter th BE with the new players they already have coming in.

Providence with Ed Cooley is already on the upswing, so is RU with Mike Rice, DePaul with Oliver Purnell & SJU with Lavs. I also think Ollie will be excellent at Uconn.

Even though I'm not a fan of SHU's coach Williard its mostly b/c he's being out recruited by those other coaches. That said he has bought in some excellent transfers and we will suprise many this season.

There just are no real bottom feeders in the BE this season.

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Wait until the season is over. There are always bottom feeders in the BE bb league, just like any other league. Someone always has to finish at the bottom, and a league that is as large as the BE, multiple teams will finish at the bottom.

If Uconn finishes last like DeCourcy predicts that doesn't make them a "bottom feeder" that means they probably just finished last in the best conference in the country. Bottom feeder implies they can't compete with the top teams; a condition that has been and will continue be far more prevalent in the ACC.

Whenever any conference team beats Duke or UNC they almost always rush the court. Not in the BE. As a cuse fan you should know after Depaul there were no "easy" wins in the BE...Does a ranked team look forward to going to the RAC and plying RU, or the Dunk and playing prov, or the Rock and playing SHU...those are still quality wins.

Its simply amazing how great the future is for all of the BE teams, even DePaul who registered no wins in the BE last season. But the Acc teams have no future unless its Duke and UNC.

The year that DePaul blasted Syracuse, SU was not a very good team and didnt even make the tourney. No one is quaking in their boots to go play DePaul on their home turf right now. Guess what, DePaul is a bottom feeder in the BE the last several years. They would be a bottom feeder in the Big 10, the Acc etc... the last several years. If Uconn finishes at the bottom of the BE in a particular year, Uconn is a bottom feeder that year. Same for Syracuse and Louisville. Syracuse was a bottom feeder in BE football from 2005-2009. As week speak today, DePaul is a bottom feeder in the BE bb league. But SOME of you guys have such rosey clored glasses you cant see whats really going on. Now have a great day.

Uconn finished 8th & won the whole thing...can even conference claim that...

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(10-30-2012 03:14 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 02:24 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 02:09 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 12:54 PM)TheRock Wrote:  SMU is already going to be a different team by the time they enter th BE with the new players they already have coming in.

Providence with Ed Cooley is already on the upswing, so is RU with Mike Rice, DePaul with Oliver Purnell & SJU with Lavs. I also think Ollie will be excellent at Uconn.

Even though I'm not a fan of SHU's coach Williard its mostly b/c he's being out recruited by those other coaches. That said he has bought in some excellent transfers and we will suprise many this season.

There just are no real bottom feeders in the BE this season.

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Wait until the season is over. There are always bottom feeders in the BE bb league, just like any other league. Someone always has to finish at the bottom, and a league that is as large as the BE, multiple teams will finish at the bottom.

If Uconn finishes last like DeCourcy predicts that doesn't make them a "bottom feeder" that means they probably just finished last in the best conference in the country. Bottom feeder implies they can't compete with the top teams; a condition that has been and will continue be far more prevalent in the ACC.

Whenever any conference team beats Duke or UNC they almost always rush the court. Not in the BE. As a cuse fan you should know after Depaul there were no "easy" wins in the BE...Does a ranked team look forward to going to the RAC and plying RU, or the Dunk and playing prov, or the Rock and playing SHU...those are still quality wins.

Its simply amazing how great the future is for all of the BE teams, even DePaul who registered no wins in the BE last season. But the Acc teams have no future unless its Duke and UNC.

The year that DePaul blasted Syracuse, SU was not a very good team and didnt even make the tourney. No one is quaking in their boots to go play DePaul on their home turf right now. Guess what, DePaul is a bottom feeder in the BE the last several years. They would be a bottom feeder in the Big 10, the Acc etc... the last several years. If Uconn finishes at the bottom of the BE in a particular year, Uconn is a bottom feeder that year. Same for Syracuse and Louisville. Syracuse was a bottom feeder in BE football from 2005-2009. As week speak today, DePaul is a bottom feeder in the BE bb league. But SOME of you guys have such rosey clored glasses you cant see whats really going on. Now have a great day.

Maryland fits the description of a bottom feeder in the ACC for last couple of seasons but before that they went to the NCAA tournament 14 years in a row while most of the teams at the bottom of the Big East have little history making the tourny & some haven't been in years, so even though these schools might hire big name coaches or sign big time recruits so is everybody else

(10-30-2012 03:26 PM)TheRock Wrote:  Uconn finished 8th & won the whole thing...can even conference claim that...

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that might be evidence of a team under performing & then getting their act together at the right time

(10-30-2012 03:14 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 02:24 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 02:09 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 12:54 PM)TheRock Wrote:  SMU is already going to be a different team by the time they enter th BE with the new players they already have coming in.

Providence with Ed Cooley is already on the upswing, so is RU with Mike Rice, DePaul with Oliver Purnell & SJU with Lavs. I also think Ollie will be excellent at Uconn.

Even though I'm not a fan of SHU's coach Williard its mostly b/c he's being out recruited by those other coaches. That said he has bought in some excellent transfers and we will suprise many this season.

There just are no real bottom feeders in the BE this season.

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Wait until the season is over. There are always bottom feeders in the BE bb league, just like any other league. Someone always has to finish at the bottom, and a league that is as large as the BE, multiple teams will finish at the bottom.

If Uconn finishes last like DeCourcy predicts that doesn't make them a "bottom feeder" that means they probably just finished last in the best conference in the country. Bottom feeder implies they can't compete with the top teams; a condition that has been and will continue be far more prevalent in the ACC.

Whenever any conference team beats Duke or UNC they almost always rush the court. Not in the BE. As a cuse fan you should know after Depaul there were no "easy" wins in the BE...Does a ranked team look forward to going to the RAC and plying RU, or the Dunk and playing prov, or the Rock and playing SHU...those are still quality wins.

Its simply amazing how great the future is for all of the BE teams, even DePaul who registered no wins in the BE last season. But the Acc teams have no future unless its Duke and UNC.

The year that DePaul blasted Syracuse, SU was not a very good team and didnt even make the tourney. No one is quaking in their boots to go play DePaul on their home turf right now. Guess what, DePaul is a bottom feeder in the BE the last several years. They would be a bottom feeder in the Big 10, the Acc etc... the last several years. If Uconn finishes at the bottom of the BE in a particular year, Uconn is a bottom feeder that year. Same for Syracuse and Louisville. Syracuse was a bottom feeder in BE football from 2005-2009. As week speak today, DePaul is a bottom feeder in the BE bb league. But SOME of you guys have such rosey clored glasses you cant see whats really going on. Now have a great day.

I find it telling that while I list specific BE teams and explain why I THINK their programs are in good hands you fail to list any comparable info about nACC BASKETBALL squads except Duke, UNC, & Cuse. Check the thread if you don't believe me.

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(10-30-2012 03:14 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Its simply amazing how great the future is for all of the BE teams, even DePaul who registered no wins in the BE last season. But the Acc teams have no future unless its Duke and UNC.

DePaul won 3 Big East games last year. This year will be the first year where DePaul does not have any kids on the roster from Jerry Wainwright so it'll be interesting.

I will speak for Providence as one of the bottom feeding teams.
While it has been a very tough having a losing record for the last 3 years, there have been so glorious moments that come along with it.
But the history of my team alone keeps them from EVER being considered a trap game. Teams (as was mentioned earlier) do not look ahead of Providence.

Ask Alabama about this bottom feeding Big East team, or Boston College, or Pitt (coming in ranked number 1) Texas, Duke, Clemson, and many others over the years who have been given the pat on the back as they leave town with a headache and a tough loss.

I also know that the same could be said for St. Johns, Georgetown, Villanova, Rutgers, and even now South Florida.

For the record, Pitt, ND, and Syracuse wont be allowed to play Big East basketball in the ACC. They will have their nuts cut off and told to fall in line. The ACC is pretty basketball, the Big East is down right ugly. Big difference no matter what side of the aisle your on.

Great to hear from you guys...I've been waiting for the calvary lol. SHU fan here holding it down in the meantime!

(10-30-2012 06:04 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  I will speak for Providence as one of the bottom feeding teams.
While it has been a very tough having a losing record for the last 3 years, there have been so glorious moments that come along with it.
But the history of my team alone keeps them from EVER being considered a trap game. Teams (as was mentioned earlier) do not look ahead of Providence.

Ask Alabama about this bottom feeding Big East team, or Boston College, or Pitt (coming in ranked number 1) Texas, Duke, Clemson, and many others over the years who have been given the pat on the back as they leave town with a headache and a tough loss.

I also know that the same could be said for St. Johns, Georgetown, Villanova, Rutgers, and even now South Florida.

For the record, Pitt, ND, and Syracuse wont be allowed to play Big East basketball in the ACC. They will have their nuts cut off and told to fall in line. The ACC is pretty basketball, the Big East is down right ugly. Big difference no matter what side of the aisle your on.

Personally, I think SU basketball fits in MUCH better with the ACC than the BE. The 2-3 zone is a hell of a lot more passive than Pitt's M2M. In fact, Pitt is prob the only team that has to dial their aggressiveness down a little (or a lot). And it will prob be good for them - I think the way they played always hurt them in the ncaa tournament when non-BE refs called the games.

(10-30-2012 06:42 PM)CuseKid Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 06:04 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  I will speak for Providence as one of the bottom feeding teams.
While it has been a very tough having a losing record for the last 3 years, there have been so glorious moments that come along with it.
But the history of my team alone keeps them from EVER being considered a trap game. Teams (as was mentioned earlier) do not look ahead of Providence.

Ask Alabama about this bottom feeding Big East team, or Boston College, or Pitt (coming in ranked number 1) Texas, Duke, Clemson, and many others over the years who have been given the pat on the back as they leave town with a headache and a tough loss.

I also know that the same could be said for St. Johns, Georgetown, Villanova, Rutgers, and even now South Florida.

For the record, Pitt, ND, and Syracuse wont be allowed to play Big East basketball in the ACC. They will have their nuts cut off and told to fall in line. The ACC is pretty basketball, the Big East is down right ugly. Big difference no matter what side of the aisle your on.

Personally, I think SU basketball fits in MUCH better with the ACC than the BE. The 2-3 zone is a hell of a lot more passive than Pitt's M2M. In fact, Pitt is prob the only team that has to dial their aggressiveness down a little (or a lot). And it will prob be good for them - I think the way they played always hurt them in the ncaa tournament when non-BE refs called the games.

your 2-3 zone is going wreck havoc on alot of teams. the one thing i think you guys will find alot of teams play different styles in the acc. you have teams like carolina who want run every chance they get & teams like virginia that play more like a big ten team.

(10-30-2012 06:42 PM)CuseKid Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 06:04 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  I will speak for Providence as one of the bottom feeding teams.
While it has been a very tough having a losing record for the last 3 years, there have been so glorious moments that come along with it.
But the history of my team alone keeps them from EVER being considered a trap game. Teams (as was mentioned earlier) do not look ahead of Providence.

Ask Alabama about this bottom feeding Big East team, or Boston College, or Pitt (coming in ranked number 1) Texas, Duke, Clemson, and many others over the years who have been given the pat on the back as they leave town with a headache and a tough loss.

I also know that the same could be said for St. Johns, Georgetown, Villanova, Rutgers, and even now South Florida.

For the record, Pitt, ND, and Syracuse wont be allowed to play Big East basketball in the ACC. They will have their nuts cut off and told to fall in line. The ACC is pretty basketball, the Big East is down right ugly. Big difference no matter what side of the aisle your on.

Personally, I think SU basketball fits in MUCH better with the ACC than the BE. The 2-3 zone is a hell of a lot more passive than Pitt's M2M. In fact, Pitt is prob the only team that has to dial their aggressiveness down a little (or a lot). And it will prob be good for them - I think the way they played always hurt them in the ncaa tournament when non-BE refs called the games.

(10-30-2012 06:42 PM)CuseKid Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 06:04 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  I will speak for Providence as one of the bottom feeding teams.
While it has been a very tough having a losing record for the last 3 years, there have been so glorious moments that come along with it.
But the history of my team alone keeps them from EVER being considered a trap game. Teams (as was mentioned earlier) do not look ahead of Providence.

Ask Alabama about this bottom feeding Big East team, or Boston College, or Pitt (coming in ranked number 1) Texas, Duke, Clemson, and many others over the years who have been given the pat on the back as they leave town with a headache and a tough loss.

I also know that the same could be said for St. Johns, Georgetown, Villanova, Rutgers, and even now South Florida.

For the record, Pitt, ND, and Syracuse wont be allowed to play Big East basketball in the ACC. They will have their nuts cut off and told to fall in line. The ACC is pretty basketball, the Big East is down right ugly. Big difference no matter what side of the aisle your on.

Personally, I think SU basketball fits in MUCH better with the ACC than the BE. The 2-3 zone is a hell of a lot more passive than Pitt's M2M. In fact, Pitt is prob the only team that has to dial their aggressiveness down a little (or a lot). And it will prob be good for them - I think the way they played always hurt them in the ncaa tournament when non-BE refs called the games.

Agree with Pitts aggresiveness hurting them once it wasn't big east refs. Sometimes i think Pitt was a bit overated. Agree Syracuse is gonna fit in right with Duke and UNC at the top. Disagree that Syracuse will fit in better with the ACC. Syracuse, UConn and Georgetown imo were Big east basketball. Syracuse made the Garden electric at times and everybody loved playing Syracuse in the big east. Syracuse ill miss greatly and think they fit great in the big east and will just fit in good with the ACC for bball.

(10-30-2012 06:42 PM)CuseKid Wrote:  Personally, I think SU basketball fits in MUCH better with the ACC than the BE....

"I was not happy when I heard about it," said Wallace, who led the Orange to the 1996 N.C.A.A. championship game, which they lost to Kentucky. I just can’t imagine Syracuse not having teams like UConn, Georgetown, St. John’s and Villanova on their schedule. I’ve gotten over a hundred text messages from friends who are true Syracuse people, and they’re not happy about this either."

Cuse Great - John Wallace

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09...east-exit/

Agree totally..money wise this move was a good switch, but syracuse is a classic program with some of the best rivalries being lost in college basketball. Can't see the better fit thing at all