(10-29-2012 08:52 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 05:16 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  The ACC have the 3 best teams of the ones you listed. The Big East might be deeper, but is void of a blue blood at the top. UConn could have been this, but without Calhoun there are a question.

Louisville beat Duke for a National Championship and we have owned Syracuse in recent years.

Not the most recent year, as in last year.

(10-29-2012 09:02 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 08:01 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 07:41 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Plain and simple, the ACC has not had depth in hoops the last decade or so. FSU has stepped up the last couple years, giving the ACC 3 legit teams. Miami and VATech have been overrated until exposed during the season. Traditionally decent to very good schools like UVA, Maryland, GATech, even BC, have not been doing anything.

The Big East is nothing but depth. The bottom feeders in the Big East would be respectable middle of the pack teams in many conferences. even without Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame and WVU, the Big East remains deeper.

Louisville, Cincy, UConn, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, St. John's, Memphis, that's eight NCAA bids and room for another 1 or 2 (yes, I know UConn isn't allowed post season play this season). Add in Houston (which is already improving in recruiting) and UCF (recently decent team) and improving DePaul, Seton Hall, Providence, no conference will match that depth for a long, long time.

have to disagree with you on depth in the acc which you guys will soon see for yourself next season. right now the big east is by far the best conference from a depth standpoint.

No disrespect, but please. There was nothing like playing in the BE. It was the deepest conference that was ever assembled. To give you an idea what it is like playing in the BE, just imagine playing in the Ncaa Tourney, but for 4 months instead of 2 weeks. You could literally go for 2 weeks playing games in the BE and every single opponent is ranked. I really believe that UNC/Duke would have a much tougher time playing in the 2011 version of the BE than SU would have playing in the 2011 version of the Acc.

But I do believe that the 2013 Acc will be as close to the 2011 BE as any league could be. The 2011 BE had WV, Pitt, SU and ND, to go along with Uconn, Louisville, Cincy, Marquette, Georgetown and Nova.

Now the Acc will have UNC, Duke, Cuse, Pitt, ND, Maryland, NC State and FSU. That league will have the better depth, imo, but the BE will be close by adding the likes of Temple and Memphis. But I have to give the edge to the Acc.

Reinforcements are coming from within too...SJU, RU, & Providence are all on the rise with very good coaches & don't forget Larry Brown has put together one of the best coaching staffs in the country already at SMU of all places! It's doesn't stop with the Big East you know that.

(10-29-2012 08:59 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 08:14 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 08:01 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 07:41 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Plain and simple, the ACC has not had depth in hoops the last decade or so. FSU has stepped up the last couple years, giving the ACC 3 legit teams. Miami and VATech have been overrated until exposed during the season. Traditionally decent to very good schools like UVA, Maryland, GATech, even BC, have not been doing anything.

The Big East is nothing but depth. The bottom feeders in the Big East would be respectable middle of the pack teams in many conferences. even without Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame and WVU, the Big East remains deeper.

Louisville, Cincy, UConn, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, St. John's, Memphis, that's eight NCAA bids and room for another 1 or 2 (yes, I know UConn isn't allowed post season play this season). Add in Houston (which is already improving in recruiting) and UCF (recently decent team) and improving DePaul, Seton Hall, Providence, no conference will match that depth for a long, long time.

have to disagree with you on depth in the acc which you guys will soon see for yourself next season. right now the big east is by far the best conference from a depth standpoint.

OK, we disagree. I see UNC and Duke and weak support (FSU has been good of late, but nobody else of significance).

Neither UNC nor Duke (or Kansas, Michigan, Ohio State, Texas, Kentucky, etc.) would walk through the Big East slate unscathed. I like ACC hoops historically speaking, but of late, it has been UNC/Duke and some other teams.

With FSU improving, Syracuse, Pitt and then Notre Dame joining, the ACC will have stronger depth. I do think that the ACC was on the upswing, but still not to their historical levels.

P.S. You probably have some good points to add to this discussion, so please expound. I will probably respectfully disagree with you, but would like to hear your arguments. If not, we will see it play out on the hardwood soon enough.

nc state was sweet 16 team last year& has really started to make inroads with top level recruits. virginia & miami are tournament caliber teams and both g tech & maryland are on the rebound. the only teams you can write off are clemson,va tech,wake & bc but even they have had tournament caliber teams in recent history

Your points are valid but more a recent event than over the past decade or so, as in my original point. I do agree that the ACC is on the upswing, but still remains below their history and still below the Big East in depth.

(10-29-2012 07:41 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Plain and simple, the ACC has not had depth in hoops the last decade or so. FSU has stepped up the last couple years, giving the ACC 3 legit teams. Miami and VATech have been overrated until exposed during the season. Traditionally decent to very good schools like UVA, Maryland, GATech, even BC, have not been doing anything.

The Big East is nothing but depth. The bottom feeders in the Big East would be respectable middle of the pack teams in many conferences. even without Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame and WVU, the Big East remains deeper.

Louisville, Cincy, UConn, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, St. John's, Memphis, that's eight NCAA bids and room for another 1 or 2 (yes, I know UConn isn't allowed post season play this season). Add in Houston (which is already improving in recruiting) and UCF (recently decent team) and improving DePaul, Seton Hall, Providence, no conference will match that depth for a long, long time.

And you left out Temple.

I would be shocked if converstations in Big East meetings are not...Talking about a westword move with basketball.

It only makes sense with football making the move.

Why not add 4 (or so) real good basketball teams from the West. It is a win/win and the TV dollars would be better than ever.

(10-29-2012 11:58 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  I would be shocked if converstations in Big East meetings are not...Talking about a westword move with basketball.

It only makes sense with football making the move.

Why not add 4 (or so) real good basketball teams from the West. It is a win/win and the TV dollars would be better than ever.

I dont think the eastern schools want to send all it's sports out to San Diego.

An OOC BBall series with SD? Sure. The occasional Baseball series to start the year? Yeah, why not. Tennis, Soccer, Gymnastics, Cross Country, Volley Ball? No thanks.

(10-30-2012 12:25 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 11:58 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  I would be shocked if converstations in Big East meetings are not...Talking about a westword move with basketball.

It only makes sense with football making the move.

Why not add 4 (or so) real good basketball teams from the West. It is a win/win and the TV dollars would be better than ever.

I dont think the eastern schools want to send all it's sports out to San Diego.

An OOC BBall series with SD? Sure. The occasional Baseball series to start the year? Yeah, why not. Tennis, Soccer, Gymnastics, Cross Country, Volley Ball? No thanks.

I understand what you are saying but times are changing.

Trust me, I have heard nothing about this possibly happening but why wouldn't the Big East want to add SDSU, UNLV, New Mexico, and BYU to a Big East basketball league?

In this day and age it would mean big TV money for all concerned.

That doesn't mean that volleyball, softball, etc has to play in the scenario. In fact it won't.

Times are changing and ideas are changing. The Big East has Cincy, Louisville already.

Just saying...Who knows what will happen. Why is football all the sudden expanding West?

I think they have already talked about basketball.

(10-30-2012 01:03 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 12:25 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 11:58 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  I would be shocked if converstations in Big East meetings are not...Talking about a westword move with basketball.

It only makes sense with football making the move.

Why not add 4 (or so) real good basketball teams from the West. It is a win/win and the TV dollars would be better than ever.

I dont think the eastern schools want to send all it's sports out to San Diego.

An OOC BBall series with SD? Sure. The occasional Baseball series to start the year? Yeah, why not. Tennis, Soccer, Gymnastics, Cross Country, Volley Ball? No thanks.

I understand what you are saying but times are changing.

Trust me, I have heard nothing about this possibly happening but why wouldn't the Big East want to add SDSU, UNLV, New Mexico, and BYU to a Big East basketball league?

In this day and age it would mean big TV money for all concerned.

That doesn't mean that volleyball, softball, etc has to play in the scenario. In fact it won't.

Times are changing and ideas are changing. The Big East has Cincy, Louisville already.

Just saying...Who knows what will happen. Why is football all the sudden expanding West?

I think they have already talked about basketball.

Because you would have to add UNLV and New Mexico Fb as well, so the Fb schools don't want that and the BBall schools dont want to go that route. Your talking about 21 teams in BBall. Thats a little overkill.

(10-29-2012 05:16 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  The ACC have the 3 best teams of the ones you listed. The Big East might be deeper, but is void of a blue blood at the top. UConn could have been this, but without Calhoun there are a question.

This is false.Syracuse is A great BB program,an I like them. Louisville is the better overall BB program. They have more Tournament invites,more tourny wins and own the head to head.
The cuse has more all time wins.

(10-29-2012 11:58 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  I would be shocked if converstations in Big East meetings are not...Talking about a westword move with basketball.

It only makes sense with football making the move.

Why not add 4 (or so) real good basketball teams from the West. It is a win/win and the TV dollars would be better than ever.

I wouldn't mind SD to join the BE for BB. They have been ranked the past few year's. They have A good coach.If they did join,they would only get better with the BE brand.

(10-29-2012 11:58 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  I would be shocked if converstations in Big East meetings are not...Talking about a westword move with basketball.

It only makes sense with football making the move.

Why not add 4 (or so) real good basketball teams from the West. It is a win/win and the TV dollars would be better than ever.

I think the league could live with added SD & BYU to the BB side of the BE if we can get BYU to join the league for FB, I think it would be A win win for all.

(10-30-2012 05:53 AM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 05:16 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  The ACC have the 3 best teams of the ones you listed. The Big East might be deeper, but is void of a blue blood at the top. UConn could have been this, but without Calhoun there are a question.

This is false.Syracuse is A great BB program,an I like them. Louisville is the better overall BB program. They have more Tournament invites,more tourny wins and own the head to head.
The cuse has more all time wins.

To each his own, but SU has the largest fanbase in the BE.
But look at it this way. Even if you say that Louisville is the better bb program:

Duke, UNC, Syracuse> Uconn, Louisville, Georgetown

(10-30-2012 06:11 AM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 11:58 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  I would be shocked if converstations in Big East meetings are not...Talking about a westword move with basketball.

It only makes sense with football making the move.

Why not add 4 (or so) real good basketball teams from the West. It is a win/win and the TV dollars would be better than ever.

I think the league could live with added SD & BYU to the BB side of the BE if we can get BYU to join the league for FB, I think it would be A win win for all.

It isn't just FB and BB, it's ALL the other sports that go with it. Those two need to be in the Big East more than the Big East needs those two schools. The schools not getting the big chunk of FB money don't want to spend a fortune flying all their sports all over the country.

(10-30-2012 07:48 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 06:11 AM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 11:58 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  I would be shocked if converstations in Big East meetings are not...Talking about a westword move with basketball.

It only makes sense with football making the move.

Why not add 4 (or so) real good basketball teams from the West. It is a win/win and the TV dollars would be better than ever.

I think the league could live with added SD & BYU to the BB side of the BE if we can get BYU to join the league for FB, I think it would be A win win for all.

It isn't just FB and BB, it's ALL the other sports that go with it. Those two need to be in the Big East more than the Big East needs those two schools. The schools not getting the big chunk of FB money don't want to spend a fortune flying all their sports all over the country.

I'd like a lot of basketball travel by BE teams in March & April!

(10-30-2012 07:46 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 05:53 AM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 05:16 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  The ACC have the 3 best teams of the ones you listed. The Big East might be deeper, but is void of a blue blood at the top. UConn could have been this, but without Calhoun there are a question.

This is false.Syracuse is A great BB program,an I like them. Louisville is the better overall BB program. They have more Tournament invites,more tourny wins and own the head to head.
The cuse has more all time wins.

To each his own, but SU has the largest fanbase in the BE.
But look at it this way. Even if you say that Louisville is the better bb program:

Duke, UNC, Syracuse> Uconn, Louisville, Georgetown

EDIT: How many times do UNC and Duke get to stay home for the first weekend of the tourny? One of those two almost every year? Wow, you don't say...

(10-30-2012 07:51 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 07:46 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 05:53 AM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 05:16 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  The ACC have the 3 best teams of the ones you listed. The Big East might be deeper, but is void of a blue blood at the top. UConn could have been this, but without Calhoun there are a question.

This is false.Syracuse is A great BB program,an I like them. Louisville is the better overall BB program. They have more Tournament invites,more tourny wins and own the head to head.
The cuse has more all time wins.

To each his own, but SU has the largest fanbase in the BE.
But look at it this way. Even if you say that Louisville is the better bb program:

Duke, UNC, Syracuse> Uconn, Louisville, Georgetown

EDIT: How many times do UNC and Duke get to stay home for the first weekend of the tourny? One of those two almost every year? Wow, you don't say...

And what happens to that list when you add Memphis, Cincy, SJU (w/Lavin), SMU (w/LB), etc...

(10-30-2012 08:06 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 07:51 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 07:46 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 05:53 AM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 05:16 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  The ACC have the 3 best teams of the ones you listed. The Big East might be deeper, but is void of a blue blood at the top. UConn could have been this, but without Calhoun there are a question.

This is false.Syracuse is A great BB program,an I like them. Louisville is the better overall BB program. They have more Tournament invites,more tourny wins and own the head to head.
The cuse has more all time wins.

To each his own, but SU has the largest fanbase in the BE.
But look at it this way. Even if you say that Louisville is the better bb program:

Duke, UNC, Syracuse> Uconn, Louisville, Georgetown

EDIT: How many times do UNC and Duke get to stay home for the first weekend of the tourny? One of those two almost every year? Wow, you don't say...

And what happens to that list when you add Memphis, Cincy, SJU (w/Lavin), SMU (w/LB), etc...

Also give UConn, UofL and GTown an ACC schedule without Duke, UNC and Cuse and give those 2 a Big East schedule. Then you'd see who is better.

(10-30-2012 08:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 08:06 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 07:51 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 07:46 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 05:53 AM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  This is false.Syracuse is A great BB program,an I like them. Louisville is the better overall BB program. They have more Tournament invites,more tourny wins and own the head to head.
The cuse has more all time wins.

To each his own, but SU has the largest fanbase in the BE.
But look at it this way. Even if you say that Louisville is the better bb program:

Duke, UNC, Syracuse> Uconn, Louisville, Georgetown

EDIT: How many times do UNC and Duke get to stay home for the first weekend of the tourny? One of those two almost every year? Wow, you don't say...

And what happens to that list when you add Memphis, Cincy, SJU (w/Lavin), SMU (w/LB), etc...

Also give UConn, UofL and GTown an ACC schedule without Duke, UNC and Cuse and give those 2 a Big East schedule. Then you'd see who is better.

Also very conspicuous that nACC fans aren't throwing Pitt & ND at nBE fans like we are doing with Temple, SMU, or even the sleeping giant in Houston.

That may be because the worst kept secrets in BE bball has been that no one ever feared ND in the BE & Pitt has by far had the most embarring losses for the conference over the last 10 years.

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RU ready for Primetime!!!

(10-30-2012 08:22 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 08:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 08:06 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 07:51 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 07:46 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  To each his own, but SU has the largest fanbase in the BE.
But look at it this way. Even if you say that Louisville is the better bb program:

Duke, UNC, Syracuse> Uconn, Louisville, Georgetown

EDIT: How many times do UNC and Duke get to stay home for the first weekend of the tourny? One of those two almost every year? Wow, you don't say...

And what happens to that list when you add Memphis, Cincy, SJU (w/Lavin), SMU (w/LB), etc...

Also give UConn, UofL and GTown an ACC schedule without Duke, UNC and Cuse and give those 2 a Big East schedule. Then you'd see who is better.

Also very conspicuous that nACC fans aren't throwing Pitt & ND at nBE fans like we are doing with Temple, SMU, or even the sleeping giant in Houston.

That may be because the worst kept secrets in BE bball has been that no one ever feared ND in the BE & Pitt has by far had the most embarring losses for the conference over the last 10 years.

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RU ready for Primetime!!!

LOL, I would take Pitt and ND in an instant over Temple, SMU and Houston. Its not even up for consideration.

(10-30-2012 08:38 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 08:22 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 08:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 08:06 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 07:51 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

EDIT: How many times do UNC and Duke get to stay home for the first weekend of the tourny? One of those two almost every year? Wow, you don't say...

And what happens to that list when you add Memphis, Cincy, SJU (w/Lavin), SMU (w/LB), etc...

Also give UConn, UofL and GTown an ACC schedule without Duke, UNC and Cuse and give those 2 a Big East schedule. Then you'd see who is better.

Also very conspicuous that nACC fans aren't throwing Pitt & ND at nBE fans like we are doing with Temple, SMU, or even the sleeping giant in Houston.

That may be because the worst kept secrets in BE bball has been that no one ever feared ND in the BE & Pitt has by far had the most embarring losses for the conference over the last 10 years.

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RU ready for Primetime!!!

LOL, I would take Pitt and ND in an instant over Temple, SMU and Houston. Its not even up for consideration.

Currently yes, but the potential for the last 3 in the nBE can be at least as good as those 2. Can anyone name 1 big game Pitt has won in the tournament for the last 10 years? But I can name at least 4 conference embarrassing losses by highly ranked Pitt to MAC level teams in the tourney over that same time. And don't get me started about last year...