(09-09-2012 01:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 12:47 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  As we know Muslims embrace Podophilia as their prophet Momhamad was a pedophile.

I understand that that's a common point, but I would like to know the amount of men that we would consider pedophiles that existed during and before the time of Mohammed. There were probably a ton of respected Christians and Jewish leaders that were because it was fairly normal.

You are correct. SOAF ain't very bright.

(09-09-2012 01:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 12:47 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  As we know Muslims embrace Podophilia as their prophet Momhamad was a pedophile.

I understand that that's a common point, but I would like to know the amount of men that we would consider pedophiles that existed during and before the time of Mohammed. There were probably a ton of respected Christians and Jewish leaders that were because it was fairly normal.

And of course you have some evidence to back that fallacious statement up. Whereas Muhammad lived (c.570 – c.632) and is well documented known pedophile. While Judaism is 5772 years old there is not an iota of evidence that pedophilia was practiced and taught as it is in Islam. There is nothing in the Old or New Testament similar to that which appears in the Koran.

Coastie you and Roberta have a lot in common.

(09-09-2012 03:58 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 01:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 12:47 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  As we know Muslims embrace Podophilia as their prophet Momhamad was a pedophile.

I understand that that's a common point, but I would like to know the amount of men that we would consider pedophiles that existed during and before the time of Mohammed. There were probably a ton of respected Christians and Jewish leaders that were because it was fairly normal.

And of course you have some evidence to back that fallacious statement up. Whereas Muhammad lived (c.570 – c.632) and is well documented known pedophile. While Judaism is 5772 years old there is not an iota of evidence that pedophilia was practiced and taught as it is in Islam. There is nothing in the Old or New Testament similar to that which appears in the Koran.

Coastie you and Roberta have a lot in common.

When did I make a claim to anything? I even said that ''I'd like to know" and "probably" to make that clear. If I said, "I know for a fact" and "definitely", I could see why you would think that. Maybe you have more in common with Robert than I do. You did just half-read a question and spout off some bullshite as you often do.

In the bible, there aren't any real documented cases of pedophilia and in my opinion, it doesn't stand for it. But, in those times what is known now as pedophilia, regretfully wasn't seen in the same way it is now. Older men took wives that were very young for different reasons. Was it just absent from older Jewish and Christian societies?

(09-09-2012 04:32 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 03:58 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 01:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 12:47 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  As we know Muslims embrace Podophilia as their prophet Momhamad was a pedophile.

I understand that that's a common point, but I would like to know the amount of men that we would consider pedophiles that existed during and before the time of Mohammed. There were probably a ton of respected Christians and Jewish leaders that were because it was fairly normal.

And of course you have some evidence to back that fallacious statement up. Whereas Muhammad lived (c.570 – c.632) and is well documented known pedophile. While Judaism is 5772 years old there is not an iota of evidence that pedophilia was practiced and taught as it is in Islam. There is nothing in the Old or New Testament similar to that which appears in the Koran.

Coastie you and Roberta have a lot in common.

When did I make a claim to anything? I even said that ''I'd like to know" and "probably" to make that clear. If I said, "I know for a fact" and "definitely", I could see why you would think that. Maybe you have more in common with Robert than I do. You did just half-read a question and spout off some bullshite as you often do.

In the bible, there aren't any real documented cases of pedophilia and in my opinion, it doesn't stand for it. But, in those times what is known now as pedophilia, regretfully wasn't seen in the same way it is now. Older men took wives that were very young for different reasons. Was it just absent from older Jewish and Christian societies?

"There were probably a ton of respected Christians and Jewish leaders that were because it was fairly normal."

Back it up or STFU

(09-09-2012 04:51 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 04:32 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 03:58 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 01:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 12:47 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  As we know Muslims embrace Podophilia as their prophet Momhamad was a pedophile.

I understand that that's a common point, but I would like to know the amount of men that we would consider pedophiles that existed during and before the time of Mohammed. There were probably a ton of respected Christians and Jewish leaders that were because it was fairly normal.

And of course you have some evidence to back that fallacious statement up. Whereas Muhammad lived (c.570 – c.632) and is well documented known pedophile. While Judaism is 5772 years old there is not an iota of evidence that pedophilia was practiced and taught as it is in Islam. There is nothing in the Old or New Testament similar to that which appears in the Koran.

Coastie you and Roberta have a lot in common.

When did I make a claim to anything? I even said that ''I'd like to know" and "probably" to make that clear. If I said, "I know for a fact" and "definitely", I could see why you would think that. Maybe you have more in common with Robert than I do. You did just half-read a question and spout off some bullshite as you often do.

In the bible, there aren't any real documented cases of pedophilia and in my opinion, it doesn't stand for it. But, in those times what is known now as pedophilia, regretfully wasn't seen in the same way it is now. Older men took wives that were very young for different reasons. Was it just absent from older Jewish and Christian societies?

"There were probably a ton of respected Christians and Jewish leaders that were because it was fairly normal."

Back it up or STFU

PROBABLY isn't a claim so what is there to back up? How about you disprove what I said though.

Disprove or STFU.

(09-09-2012 04:59 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 04:51 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 04:32 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 03:58 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 01:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I understand that that's a common point, but I would like to know the amount of men that we would consider pedophiles that existed during and before the time of Mohammed. There were probably a ton of respected Christians and Jewish leaders that were because it was fairly normal.

And of course you have some evidence to back that fallacious statement up. Whereas Muhammad lived (c.570 – c.632) and is well documented known pedophile. While Judaism is 5772 years old there is not an iota of evidence that pedophilia was practiced and taught as it is in Islam. There is nothing in the Old or New Testament similar to that which appears in the Koran.

Coastie you and Roberta have a lot in common.

When did I make a claim to anything? I even said that ''I'd like to know" and "probably" to make that clear. If I said, "I know for a fact" and "definitely", I could see why you would think that. Maybe you have more in common with Robert than I do. You did just half-read a question and spout off some bullshite as you often do.

In the bible, there aren't any real documented cases of pedophilia and in my opinion, it doesn't stand for it. But, in those times what is known now as pedophilia, regretfully wasn't seen in the same way it is now. Older men took wives that were very young for different reasons. Was it just absent from older Jewish and Christian societies?

"There were probably a ton of respected Christians and Jewish leaders that were because it was fairly normal."

Back it up or STFU

PROBABLY isn't a claim so what is there to back up? How about you disprove what I said though.

Disprove or STFU.

Roberta would not have said it any differently.

(09-09-2012 05:13 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 04:59 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 04:51 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 04:32 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 03:58 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  And of course you have some evidence to back that fallacious statement up. Whereas Muhammad lived (c.570 – c.632) and is well documented known pedophile. While Judaism is 5772 years old there is not an iota of evidence that pedophilia was practiced and taught as it is in Islam. There is nothing in the Old or New Testament similar to that which appears in the Koran.

Coastie you and Roberta have a lot in common.

When did I make a claim to anything? I even said that ''I'd like to know" and "probably" to make that clear. If I said, "I know for a fact" and "definitely", I could see why you would think that. Maybe you have more in common with Robert than I do. You did just half-read a question and spout off some bullshite as you often do.

In the bible, there aren't any real documented cases of pedophilia and in my opinion, it doesn't stand for it. But, in those times what is known now as pedophilia, regretfully wasn't seen in the same way it is now. Older men took wives that were very young for different reasons. Was it just absent from older Jewish and Christian societies?

"There were probably a ton of respected Christians and Jewish leaders that were because it was fairly normal."

Back it up or STFU

PROBABLY isn't a claim so what is there to back up? How about you disprove what I said though.

Disprove or STFU.

Roberta would not have said it any differently.

He also wouldn't have been able to disprove it. Congrats on your Robert certification

(09-09-2012 05:18 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 05:13 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 04:59 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 04:51 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 04:32 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  When did I make a claim to anything? I even said that ''I'd like to know" and "probably" to make that clear. If I said, "I know for a fact" and "definitely", I could see why you would think that. Maybe you have more in common with Robert than I do. You did just half-read a question and spout off some bullshite as you often do.

In the bible, there aren't any real documented cases of pedophilia and in my opinion, it doesn't stand for it. But, in those times what is known now as pedophilia, regretfully wasn't seen in the same way it is now. Older men took wives that were very young for different reasons. Was it just absent from older Jewish and Christian societies?

"There were probably a ton of respected Christians and Jewish leaders that were because it was fairly normal."

Back it up or STFU

PROBABLY isn't a claim so what is there to back up? How about you disprove what I said though.

Disprove or STFU.

Roberta would not have said it any differently.

He also wouldn't have been able to disprove it. Congrats on your Robert certification

You made the assertion, now back it up. You can't. So STFU. I realize you have a problem with facts as does Roberta. The inconvenient truth does not fall into your feel good narrative.

(09-09-2012 05:27 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 05:18 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 05:13 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 04:59 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 04:51 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  "There were probably a ton of respected Christians and Jewish leaders that were because it was fairly normal."

Back it up or STFU

PROBABLY isn't a claim so what is there to back up? How about you disprove what I said though.

Disprove or STFU.

Roberta would not have said it any differently.

He also wouldn't have been able to disprove it. Congrats on your Robert certification

You made the assertion, now back it up. You can't. So STFU. I realize you have a problem with facts as does Roberta. The inconvenient truth does not fall into your feel good narrative.

Just because you think it was a claim doesn't mean that it was a claim and I should've left it right there. In fact I never meant for any of that to be fact. It was just curiosity. You're the one who started the pissing match.

What a dumb turn for a thread to take.

(09-09-2012 06:08 PM)Smaug Wrote:  What a dumb turn for a thread to take.

It was and it's half my fault.

You guys are the biggest bunchs of fucktards I have ever seen.

EVERY PROGRESSIVE I know realizes that there is a difference between a relationship between two adults, and a pedophile

It is the ******* idiot Conservatards that seem to be to ******* stupid to realize that difference - must be because if reality, they all want to be ******* little kids.

I weep for the idiocy of the right wing - they are ruining this great country with their hatred and ignorance

Thought I have seen it all on the spin room. This thread marks a new low. No one can win here. It's a disgusting topic embellished by a warped mind.

(09-08-2012 11:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  There is nothing new about this. Pedophiles were a part of the Gay rights movement in the before the mid 80's. When the LGBTAQLOMNA movement ditched the pedo's they found it easier to get traction.

God you are ******* stupid. You must be a ******* republican because lying comes naturally to you.

What I find funny is that there is a thread over in the "Babe of the Day" section that is about female teachers who are busted for having sex with their students and most over there had NO problems with it and actually WISH it happened to them. But when it comes to girls and grown men or boys and old men, it is shoot them orput them in prison and throw away the keys.

I am completely prepared to (and have more than once) draw a distinction between homosexuality and pedophilia.

Who consenting adults choose to sweat up the sheets with concerns me less and less the older I get.

Now, to Robert's point. Fact is, I agree. It has always disturbed me that women teachers banging adolescent boys gets such a different reaction than adult men doing girls. If a guy does it, throw the bastard under the jail. If a woman does it, it's hot.

I have teenage daughters, and if some boy had his perspective on normal relationships warped by this experience gets near one of them, he and I are going to have a problem.

(09-09-2012 06:32 PM)RobertN Wrote:  What I find funny is that there is a thread over in the "Babe of the Day" section that is about female teachers who are busted for having sex with their students and most over there had NO problems with it and actually WISH it happened to them. But when it comes to girls and grown men or boys and old men, it is shoot them orput them in prison and throw away the keys.

I don't find it funny but what you say is true.

I don't mean to sound "intolerant," but I am disturbed with the justification or defense (by their supporters) of pedophiles and-at least to an extent-their behavior. Children lack the ability to consent, and I highly suspect Terry and/or the author left out some key details in the opening paragraph. Terry probably stopped only because he realized he could get in trouble; I doubt he sincerely just had a change of heart out of nowhere. Aside from potential criminal penalties, he was probably worried about his social status and privileged life. It is mentioned he-in the context of his act-is married, owns a business, and presumably has important relationships at his church. I wonder if he mentioned being a drug addict to try to rationalize his behavior.

I also disagree with the idea that pedophiles can be trusted around children. If given the opportunity, they can always find a sneaky way to do what they want.

I know it is technically a fallacy, but I think the slippery-slope concept has merit. It has been observed in American history, with the gradual shifting of the Overton window. Once we try to comfort pedophiles with their desires, how long before we feel guilty about forbidding them from fulfilling them? I don't want to compare consensual homosexuality between adults to pedophilia. But, a similar principle was featured in the military's policy toward gays. First they were forbidden from serving. Then, accepted as long as they kept their desires to themselves. Now, they can serve as openly gay-which could actually put others in at least uncomfortable situations. Apparently, there might be more leniency for at least heterosexual intimacy and even pregnancy in the military already. Obviously, we are entering a period where one could potentially be pressured.

In the context of today, there are certainly enough people-including from the left alone-who know the difference, and understand the importance of protecting children. But, it is true those who get to and want to change society's values are probably working on making pedophilia closer to acceptance. Hypothetically, one would then just emphasize children officially "consenting." In political discussions, framing issues is very important and influential in changing public opinion.

(09-09-2012 06:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 11:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  There is nothing new about this. Pedophiles were a part of the Gay rights movement in the before the mid 80's. When the LGBTAQLOMNA movement ditched the pedo's they found it easier to get traction.

God you are ******* stupid. You must be a ******* republican because lying comes naturally to you.

I was a decade off... It was the mid 70's when gay rights groups signed onto a petition to *remove any age limits* on consensual sex between a minor and an adult...

Calling something a lie does not back it up..