(08-22-2012 11:39 AM)Fireman451 Wrote:  Obviously BYU and AFA are at the top of the list, but I would think UMass, ECU, Fresno, Colorado State and Army are somewhere on the second tier (in no particular order).

Army wants nothing to do with a conference. They are not an option in any way, shape or form.

(08-22-2012 11:16 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-22-2012 11:07 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  This raise a question what if BYU and Air Force both want to join? Do we add them both? Do we go to 16? Or , do we stop at 14, and which one do we take? There is a lot to think about on this one.

If they both want to come, then take them both and add in Fresno State as #16. I'll repeat what I've stated previously that Air Force is much more likely than BYU (which I think is fine - the service academies are great additions).

Olympic sports???

(08-22-2012 12:18 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  I know for a FACT that the Big East will NOT go beyond 14 teams.

And, like i have said countless times before, there is a 99% chance it is going to be BYU.


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I don't know it for a fact, personally, but I've been told that, too, from several places that would know. I also think it's going to be BYU, although with realignment, things can change without warning.

But I think your info is right, and I think that's why we have only heard two names, and now Aresco is saying it, too. BYU is the choice for #14, and if for some reason, that falls through, then AFA is the backup plan.

There seems to be no plan to go beyond them, and no plan to go past 14. I was told that AFA has indicated they will come, assuming BYU doesn't.

We'll see, but I don't think any announcement will be made until the TV deal is done, or close. No rush on the announcement. Also, it's possible that Aresco comes in and changes the plan at some point, but right now, that's the plan.

(08-22-2012 12:20 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  BYU
Air Force
Army

Well, it would work.

I think so too. I would LOVE to have BYU plus all 3 service academies. Surely, that would be valuable to TV.

I have heard it from two different people, and one of them was present when the decision was made unanimously to not go beyond 14.

Army will give us nothing, with all due respect to our service men/women.

What BYU/Navy give us is automatic series with ND. Games in Ireland. Faith based rivalries. These rivalries can only grow in the future with these additions. I think BYU/Navy get ND to at least consider scheduling other BE clubs down the line, assuming we land a deal with NBC. I even think BYU/ND could be an annual game if things take off. Note how ND is dropping their traditional Big 10 matchups at least for a short span of time. 2018/19 no ND/Michigan or something to that regard, but I am sure that will resume shortly after that.

Expansion preferences and issues for me:

1. BYU - need to address TV deal conflicts. Might be resolved by 2015 or at least easier to deal with buyouts.
2. Fresno - Medium size market and adds another PST team for TV.
3. Air Force - finding a home for olympic sports is a huge problem. BW is not an option, nor is MVC. Summit might be if Denver goes there.
4. Southern Miss - at least it's CST and a good football add, and has good hoops and baseball, too. Probably have to add for all-sports to get them.
5. Colorado St. - Good market and building program. But no history.
6. Hawaii - Distance is the killer, but there's a decent market and they allow teams to schedule a 13th game - more TV inventory.
7. UNLV - Medium market, but team is awful and no way are the BE adding hoops.
8. Tulane - Small school with strong NE ties, but has never been nor is not planning for big time. New OCS would only be 22K.

FWIW - BYU is waiting for the TV numbers to be shown from the networks themselves, not the consultants or the conference. After their debacle with the MWC, they have adopted a Missouri-ish "show-me" attitude. They have a good deal and they're not going to jeopardize it unless they can get more money.

What is the deal with the WAC currently? Who are they bringing in to round that sucker out?

Idaho going Independent has to be a joke right? Pretty sure that is what I read though.

(08-22-2012 12:31 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  I have heard it from two different people, and one of them was present when the decision was made unanimously to not go beyond 14.

Yeah, I've heard it elsewhere, too, so that matches.

The only change to that would be if Aresco came up with some different plan, and sold it to the presidents.

But I highly doubt that will happen. Besides BYU, nobody else moves the needle on TV contracts. So, it's BYU, and stop at 14, with AFA as the emergency backup.

(08-22-2012 12:28 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(08-22-2012 12:20 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  BYU
Air Force
Army

Well, it would work.

I think so too. I would LOVE to have BYU plus all 3 service academies. Surely, that would be valuable to TV.

You can have all the academies in your division. Can't stand playing just one. We lose people off the line because of the illegal chop blocks

(08-22-2012 12:53 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  What is the deal with the WAC currently? Who are they bringing in to round that sucker out?

Idaho going Independent has to be a joke right? Pretty sure that is what I read though.

Nope. Not a joke. Idaho is joining the Big Sky for olympic sports and going indy for football - at least for the time being. They made sure the Idaho BOE allowed them to join the Big Sky in football at some future date without having to request approval of the board as well. So while they will try indy status for 2013 and 2014, they have a backup plan if it doesn't work out.

(08-22-2012 11:14 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(08-22-2012 11:07 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  This raise a question what if BYU and Air Force both want to join? Do we add them both? Do we go to 16? Or , do we stop at 14, and which one do we take? There is a lot to think about on this one.

Take them both along with Fresno! Pod system!

Hell yes!! Then we have ourselves a true Western all sports division...

This would be so freaking $$!!

(08-22-2012 01:05 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(08-22-2012 12:53 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  What is the deal with the WAC currently? Who are they bringing in to round that sucker out?

Idaho going Independent has to be a joke right? Pretty sure that is what I read though.

Nope. Not a joke. Idaho is joining the Big Sky for olympic sports and going indy for football - at least for the time being. They made sure the Idaho BOE allowed them to join the Big Sky in football at some future date without having to request approval of the board as well. So while they will try indy status for 2013 and 2014, they have a backup plan if it doesn't work out.

Mountain West isn't interested in going to 12? Seemingly there for the taking with NMSU and Idaho sitting out there. Maybe a CCG at Mile High stadium or whatever that building is called.

At the very least to cover themselves for an Air Force exodus. Afterall, why would C-USA go to 14 teams, which is what they appear to be doing... let's see, LA Tech, No. Texas, FIU, Old Dominion, Charlotte, UTSA, or is that incorrect? Maybe the TV deals are quite different for the two conferences. I am just curious.

(08-22-2012 01:11 PM)Jeffkills Wrote:  

(08-22-2012 11:14 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(08-22-2012 11:07 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  This raise a question what if BYU and Air Force both want to join? Do we add them both? Do we go to 16? Or , do we stop at 14, and which one do we take? There is a lot to think about on this one.

Take them both along with Fresno! Pod system!

Hell yes!! Then we have ourselves a true Western all sports division...

This would be so freaking $$!!

Whoa whoa whoa I didn't say anything about all sports invites. The 5 of you can shack up in an olympic conference together and prob get Hawaii to jump on as well along with some of the top non-FB programs like St. Marys and Gonzaga but no, sorry no all sports invites.

(08-22-2012 11:53 AM)Footballjunky Wrote:  Please for the love of god not 16 teams. Us SDSU fans are trying to get away from the goats up in the mountains. if there is a pod of SDSU, Boise, BYU and AFA that puts us right back in a conf. / pod with teams we culturally have little in common with. Also (this is just my opinion) I believe recruiting is hurt for SDSU because Southern California recruits don't want to play at altitude and cold if they don't have to. Would much rather have a pod of say SDSU, Boise, Houston and say USF.

16 is also just too unwieldy.

I defer to this post Pod System in a clearly defined nutshell

In this system SDSU would be in a pod with BYU, Boise, and Fresno. AFA would be in a pod with SMU, UH, and Memphis. Then it would be Louisville, Cinci, USF, UCF and Rutgers, Navy, Temple, Uconn.

Not unwieldy at all.

(08-22-2012 01:18 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(08-22-2012 01:05 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(08-22-2012 12:53 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  What is the deal with the WAC currently? Who are they bringing in to round that sucker out?

Idaho going Independent has to be a joke right? Pretty sure that is what I read though.

Nope. Not a joke. Idaho is joining the Big Sky for olympic sports and going indy for football - at least for the time being. They made sure the Idaho BOE allowed them to join the Big Sky in football at some future date without having to request approval of the board as well. So while they will try indy status for 2013 and 2014, they have a backup plan if it doesn't work out.

Mountain West isn't interested in going to 12? Seemingly there for the taking with NMSU and Idaho sitting out there. Maybe a CCG at Mile High stadium or whatever that building is called.

At the very least to cover themselves for Air Forces exodus. Afterall, why would C-USA go to 14 teams, which is what they appear to be doing... let's see, LA Tech, No. Texas, FIU, Old Dominion, Charlotte, or is that incorrect. Maybe the TV deals are quite different for the two conferences. I am just curious.

The MWC does not want NMSU or Idaho. They have voted twice on that very subject and both times the feeling was the same. They may look again if (and only if) they lose any more members.

(08-22-2012 01:18 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I defer to this post Pod System in a clearly defined nutshell

In this system SDSU would be in a pod with BYU, Boise, and Fresno. AFA would be in a pod with SMU, UH, and Memphis. Then it would be Louisville, Cinci, USF, UCF and Rutgers, Navy, Temple, Uconn.

Not unwieldy at all.

If the pod system was so revolutionary, everyone would have one by now. Obviously the PAC-16 never fell through but had it did we'd be talking about a UC, UL, KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, TCU division right now.

The ACC also stopped at 14. Maybe everyone is waiting for ND, but what about the other conferences that don't end up with the Irish? They stay at 12 teams when everyone else is at 16?

Why didn't the SEC go to 16? Surely they have enough football prowess. Why not extend to KU to get some Bball recognition and new geography? Or WVU. Surely ND was never an option.

I really never saw the pods as realistic. Even had one of the major conferences dissolved (ACC/Big 12), not everybody ends up with UT/OU or ND. Someone has to take on dead weight in that scenario.

Here is some Aztecs fans reaction to this news...

http://aztecmesa.proboards.com/index.cgi...read=24468

(08-22-2012 01:18 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-22-2012 11:53 AM)Footballjunky Wrote:  Please for the love of god not 16 teams. Us SDSU fans are trying to get away from the goats up in the mountains. if there is a pod of SDSU, Boise, BYU and AFA that puts us right back in a conf. / pod with teams we culturally have little in common with. Also (this is just my opinion) I believe recruiting is hurt for SDSU because Southern California recruits don't want to play at altitude and cold if they don't have to. Would much rather have a pod of say SDSU, Boise, Houston and say USF.

16 is also just too unwieldy.

I defer to this post Pod System in a clearly defined nutshell

In this system SDSU would be in a pod with BYU, Boise, and Fresno. AFA would be in a pod with SMU, UH, and Memphis. Then it would be Louisville, Cinci, USF, UCF and Rutgers, Navy, Temple, Uconn.

Not unwieldy at all.

I've been pushing for an NFL style Pod system for a while now.

North:
Rutgers
UConn
Temple
Navy

East:
UofL
UC
USF
UCF

South:
Houston
SMU
AF
Memphis

West:
BYU
Boise
Fresno
SD St

Every division plays their own division, 1 whole other division on a rotating basis. For example the East division in 2012 would play the North division, in 2013 they would play the south division and in 2015 they would play the west division. After that the cycle continues. That 7 conference games. The following 2 games would be determined by the position each team finished in their divisions. For example the #1 team in the east in 2012 would play the #1 team in the South and West, while the #2 team would play the #2 teams in those divisions and so on.

Example schedule:

East division second place in 2011.

OOC
OOC
OOC
East
@North
North
@East
@West #2
North
South #2
@North
East