I'm sure this will play well in Florida.

Quote:As Congressman Paul Ryan cracked a joke about him, Tom Nielsen found himself face down on the floor being handcuffed by police. The 71-year-old retired plumber from Kenosha was thrown to the ground, placed in handcuffs, and arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest after objecting to Ryan's plans to gut Social Security and Medicare during his congressman's only public appearance scheduled during the August recess -- a $15 Rotary Club luncheon in West Allis on Tuesday.

Nielsen repeatedly told police that he wasn't fighting them and that he didn't want to make any trouble. He also told them several times that he had a broken shoulder. Police officers ignored his comments as they wrestled him to the ground despite his howls of pain.

Nielsen's comment to Ryan at the luncheon, his arrest, and Ryan's joke are all captured on video available here.

You Progs caused this by drilling it into his head that Ryan wants to get rid of Medicare.

You evil, manipulative dirtbags.

(08-13-2012 12:02 PM)Max Power Wrote:  I'm sure this will play well in Florida.

Quote:As Congressman Paul Ryan cracked a joke about him, Tom Nielsen found himself face down on the floor being handcuffed by police. The 71-year-old retired plumber from Kenosha was thrown to the ground, placed in handcuffs, and arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest after objecting to Ryan's plans to gut Social Security and Medicare during his congressman's only public appearance scheduled during the August recess -- a $15 Rotary Club luncheon in West Allis on Tuesday.

Nielsen repeatedly told police that he wasn't fighting them and that he didn't want to make any trouble. He also told them several times that he had a broken shoulder. Police officers ignored his comments as they wrestled him to the ground despite his howls of pain.

Nielsen's comment to Ryan at the luncheon, his arrest, and Ryan's joke are all captured on video available here.

you finally found someone with the same knowledge about Ryans plans as you.

this guy is proabable friends with that moonbat ex congressman from Fla

But he does want to get rid of Medicare and turn it into a voucher system. Even in his latest, more moderate budget that gives seniors the choice to stay on traditional Medicare, Ryan will force seniors to pay the difference between Medicare and the second cheapest available private plan:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/081...Page2.html

Quote:That doesn’t mean they can just keep it and not pay more, though. If traditional Medicare ends up costing more than some of the private plans it’s competing with, seniors would have to pay the difference.

Here’s how it works: The amount of money the government would put in would be set by the prices of the competing plans, and would either be the second-least-expensive private plan or traditional Medicare — whichever one is cheaper. But if a senior chooses a plan that’s more expensive than the government allowance, the extra cost will come out of pocket. So if they want traditional Medicare, and it’s not the cheapest plan, they’ll pay extra.

You absolutely cannot piss off all the old people and win. They might hate the black man, but they hate people touching their Medicare and Social Security even more.

(08-13-2012 12:11 PM)Max Power Wrote:  But he does want to get rid of Medicare and turn it into a voucher system. Even in his latest, more moderate budget that gives seniors the choice to stay on traditional Medicare, Ryan will force seniors to pay the difference between Medicare and the second cheapest available private plan:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/081...Page2.html

Quote:That doesn’t mean they can just keep it and not pay more, though. If traditional Medicare ends up costing more than some of the private plans it’s competing with, seniors would have to pay the difference.

Here’s how it works: The amount of money the government would put in would be set by the prices of the competing plans, and would either be the second-least-expensive private plan or traditional Medicare — whichever one is cheaper. But if a senior chooses a plan that’s more expensive than the government allowance, the extra cost will come out of pocket. So if they want traditional Medicare, and it’s not the cheapest plan, they’ll pay extra.

You absolutely cannot piss off all the old people and win. They might hate the black man, but they hate people touching their Medicare and Social Security even more.

Ryan's plan would SAVE medicare. It's Obama's dumb ass that gutted it by billions. You manipulative fools on the left should be ashamed of yourselves for using old people. What next, black churches will burn if Romney is elected?


You Prog f'ers have no shame.

Amazing that this guy was ok with Obama gutting medicare...

(08-13-2012 12:02 PM)Max Power Wrote:  I'm sure this will play well in Florida.

Quote:As Congressman Paul Ryan cracked a joke about him, Tom Nielsen found himself face down on the floor being handcuffed by police. The 71-year-old retired plumber from Kenosha was thrown to the ground, placed in handcuffs, and arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest after objecting to Ryan's plans to gut Social Security and Medicare during his congressman's only public appearance scheduled during the August recess -- a $15 Rotary Club luncheon in West Allis on Tuesday.

Nielsen repeatedly told police that he wasn't fighting them and that he didn't want to make any trouble. He also told them several times that he had a broken shoulder. Police officers ignored his comments as they wrestled him to the ground despite his howls of pain.

Nielsen's comment to Ryan at the luncheon, his arrest, and Ryan's joke are all captured on video available here.

Quote:As Congressman Paul Ryan cracked a joke about him, Tom Nielsen found himself face down on the floor being handcuffed by police. The 71-year-old retired plumber from Kenosha was thrown to the ground, placed in handcuffs, and arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest after objecting to Ryan's plans to gut Social Security and Medicare during his congressman's only public appearance scheduled during the August recess -- a $15 Rotary Club luncheon in West Allis on Tuesday.

Nielsen repeatedly told police that he wasn't fighting them and that he didn't want to make any trouble. He also told them several times that he had a broken shoulder. Police officers ignored his comments as they wrestled him to the ground despite his howls of pain.

Nielsen's comment to Ryan at the luncheon, his arrest, and Ryan's joke are all captured on video available here.

Looks like there's an attempt to make a lot out of Ryan's "joke" here. Right or wrong, politicians will usually try to defuse tense/awkward moments by trying to make a quip in order to lighten things up again. I can't imagine a candidate Joe Biden doing anything differently if a '*********' busted in and started loudly heckling.

Perhaps the only thing I'd question is if police needed to wrestle him to the ground (hard to tell if it was necessary since we lost sight of the commotion for a few seconds in the clip). But we live in a time of the Colorado theater shooting, Sikh temple massacre, and so on. Sure, it's highly unprobable this 71-year-old man was a threat to commit any real act of violence. But I don't think it's unreasonable for security to use some physical force to drag him out.

(08-13-2012 12:11 PM)Max Power Wrote:  But he does want to get rid of Medicare and turn it into a voucher system. Even in his latest, more moderate budget that gives seniors the choice to stay on traditional Medicare, Ryan will force seniors to pay the difference between Medicare and the second cheapest available private plan:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/081...Page2.html

Quote:That doesn’t mean they can just keep it and not pay more, though. If traditional Medicare ends up costing more than some of the private plans it’s competing with, seniors would have to pay the difference.

Here’s how it works: The amount of money the government would put in would be set by the prices of the competing plans, and would either be the second-least-expensive private plan or traditional Medicare — whichever one is cheaper. But if a senior chooses a plan that’s more expensive than the government allowance, the extra cost will come out of pocket. So if they want traditional Medicare, and it’s not the cheapest plan, they’ll pay extra.

You absolutely cannot piss off all the old people and win. They might hate the black man, but they hate people touching their Medicare and Social Security even more.

Wonder what will happen if Washington continues to ignore the fact that both Medicare and Social Security are unsustainable in their current form and they go out to the mailbox one day to find that there is no check and no more are coming. At some point we have to address this issue. The scare tactics from the left serve to ensure both programs crash in the not so distant future.

(08-13-2012 12:56 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Wonder what will happen if Washington continues to ignore the fact that both Medicare and Social Security are unsustainable in their current form and they go out to the mailbox one day to find that there is no check and no more are coming. At some point we have to address this issue. The scare tactics from the left serve to ensure both programs crash in the not so distant future.

Progs don't understand economies. Hence California's f'ed up state of affairs.

(08-13-2012 12:56 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(08-13-2012 12:11 PM)Max Power Wrote:  But he does want to get rid of Medicare and turn it into a voucher system. Even in his latest, more moderate budget that gives seniors the choice to stay on traditional Medicare, Ryan will force seniors to pay the difference between Medicare and the second cheapest available private plan:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/081...Page2.html

Quote:That doesn’t mean they can just keep it and not pay more, though. If traditional Medicare ends up costing more than some of the private plans it’s competing with, seniors would have to pay the difference.

Here’s how it works: The amount of money the government would put in would be set by the prices of the competing plans, and would either be the second-least-expensive private plan or traditional Medicare — whichever one is cheaper. But if a senior chooses a plan that’s more expensive than the government allowance, the extra cost will come out of pocket. So if they want traditional Medicare, and it’s not the cheapest plan, they’ll pay extra.

You absolutely cannot piss off all the old people and win. They might hate the black man, but they hate people touching their Medicare and Social Security even more.

Wonder what will happen if Washington continues to ignore the fact that both Medicare and Social Security are unsustainable in their current form and they go out to the mailbox one day to find that there is no check and no more are coming. At some point we have to address this issue. The scare tactics from the left serve to ensure both programs crash in the not so distant future.

I've said for several years now we need someone that will stand up in front of the people of this country and tell them how fracked up this country when it comes to social security and Medicare(and every other fiscal debacle....oh hell, the entire federal government) We need a leader who will do that and not be afraid to do so.


It's sad to see the leftists put their head in their ass and not address the issues, but lie about the other sides attempts/ideas to address the problem. Hell, I don't even think leftist even admit there is a problem

After that spectacle, how disappointed is gramps going to be when he finds out Medicare and Social Security are already gutted?

He's not spending his money any more. He's spending mine, and has been for a while.

(08-13-2012 12:24 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(08-13-2012 12:11 PM)Max Power Wrote:  But he does want to get rid of Medicare and turn it into a voucher system. Even in his latest, more moderate budget that gives seniors the choice to stay on traditional Medicare, Ryan will force seniors to pay the difference between Medicare and the second cheapest available private plan:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/081...Page2.html

Quote:That doesn’t mean they can just keep it and not pay more, though. If traditional Medicare ends up costing more than some of the private plans it’s competing with, seniors would have to pay the difference.

Here’s how it works: The amount of money the government would put in would be set by the prices of the competing plans, and would either be the second-least-expensive private plan or traditional Medicare — whichever one is cheaper. But if a senior chooses a plan that’s more expensive than the government allowance, the extra cost will come out of pocket. So if they want traditional Medicare, and it’s not the cheapest plan, they’ll pay extra.

You absolutely cannot piss off all the old people and win. They might hate the black man, but they hate people touching their Medicare and Social Security even more.

Ryan's plan would SAVE medicare. It's Obama's dumb ass that gutted it by billions. You manipulative fools on the left should be ashamed of yourselves for using old people. What next, black churches will burn if Romney is elected?


You Prog f'ers have no shame.

You're being ridiculous. First of all, Obama's "gutting" of Medicare, which is just slowing the growth of costs over the next decade, is supported by Paul Ryan-- he keeps it in his budget. Second, cutting the costs via Obamacare added 8 years to the life expectancy of Medicare, so it has helped to save it. Third, both plans are "gutting" Medicare-- Obamacare aims to do it by cutting payments to providers, and Ryan not only does that, but aims to do it by cutting payments to beneficiaries (Read: seniors). Obama has an additional Independent Payment Advisory Board set up to find more ways to cut Medicare costs, but Ryan opposes that. He wants to give seniors a voucher that won't keep up with the rising health care costs and throw seniors onto the market where they can sign up for plans that may or may not have the same benefits (It's only required that they spend the same amount on benefits, not that they actually offer the same benefits). Medicare was founded to provide security to seniors and their families so they're not bankrupted by health expenses, and Democrats want to keep it that way.

(08-13-2012 01:12 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(08-13-2012 12:24 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(08-13-2012 12:11 PM)Max Power Wrote:  But he does want to get rid of Medicare and turn it into a voucher system. Even in his latest, more moderate budget that gives seniors the choice to stay on traditional Medicare, Ryan will force seniors to pay the difference between Medicare and the second cheapest available private plan:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/081...Page2.html

Quote:That doesn’t mean they can just keep it and not pay more, though. If traditional Medicare ends up costing more than some of the private plans it’s competing with, seniors would have to pay the difference.

Here’s how it works: The amount of money the government would put in would be set by the prices of the competing plans, and would either be the second-least-expensive private plan or traditional Medicare — whichever one is cheaper. But if a senior chooses a plan that’s more expensive than the government allowance, the extra cost will come out of pocket. So if they want traditional Medicare, and it’s not the cheapest plan, they’ll pay extra.

You absolutely cannot piss off all the old people and win. They might hate the black man, but they hate people touching their Medicare and Social Security even more.

Ryan's plan would SAVE medicare. It's Obama's dumb ass that gutted it by billions. You manipulative fools on the left should be ashamed of yourselves for using old people. What next, black churches will burn if Romney is elected?


You Prog f'ers have no shame.

You're being ridiculous. First of all, Obama's "gutting" of Medicare, which is just slowing the growth of costs over the next decade, is supported by Paul Ryan-- he keeps it in his budget. Second, cutting the costs via Obamacare added 8 years to the life expectancy of Medicare, so it has helped to save it. Third, both plans are "gutting" Medicare-- Obamacare aims to do it by cutting payments to providers, and Ryan not only does that, but aims to do it by cutting payments to beneficiaries (Read: seniors). Obama has an additional Independent Payment Advisory Board set up to find more ways to cut Medicare costs, but Ryan opposes that. He wants to give seniors a voucher that won't keep up with the rising health care costs and throw seniors onto the market where they can sign up for plans that may or may not have the same benefits (It's only required that they spend the same amount on benefits, not that they actually offer the same benefits). Medicare was founded so seniors would have security, and Democrats want to keep it that way.

So you just admitted that Obama will cut payments to providers. What will be the long term implications of that?

Quote:Medicare was founded so seniors wouldn't have security, and Democrats want to keep it that way.

Anyone relying on this program or Social Security do not have security and it does seem the democrats are determined to keep it that way.

Scare the crap out of old people.

A useful lefty campaign ploy since FDR. Nice job.

(08-13-2012 01:17 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Scare the crap out of old people.

A useful lefty campaign ploy since FDR. Nice job.

The Mediscare boogeyman has been around for a while. It's all lies. The Ryan plan wouldn't change anyone's medicare over the age of 55. Its also a bipartisan budget. No one is mentioning that.

(08-13-2012 01:19 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Its also a bipartisan budget. No one is mentioning that.

But Obama's budget is NON-partisan. Meaning no one from either party voted for it.

(08-13-2012 01:19 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-13-2012 01:17 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Scare the crap out of old people.

A useful lefty campaign ploy since FDR. Nice job.

The Mediscare boogeyman has been around for a while. It's all lies. The Ryan plan wouldn't change anyone's medicare over the age of 55. Its also a bipartisan budget. No one is mentioning that.

Even Wolf Blitzer understands this. He nailed that stupid DNC broad on this very issue.

That old F'er is going to be embarrassed when he finds out just how ignorant he is on this issue. I doubt though he will bother to find Ryan and the people he interrupted with his nonsense and offer an apology.

Fo Shizzle - I do not agree with you on many of your comments, but I respect your ability, in an era of hyperpartisanship, to express what appears to be an independent opinion.

You add value to these boards. +3 rep points.