(06-27-2012 07:51 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:19 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The ACC has an automatic qualifier into the 6 BCS bowls (Orange Bowl). How does that hurt the ACC?

That could be called a crumb going to the ACC.

I think the fact that it's going to be a selection committee is going to wind up biting the ACC in the rear end a lot. 2007 VT wouldn't have gotten in- and they're the only one that would be close the last 10 years.

I think 10% of your posts on this board are specifically trying to make people believe this fantasy.

Seems that way, doesn't it. And I've had him on ignore for at least 2 weeks now, so it might have gone up since then.

Anyway, here are the SOS of the top 6 teams that year.

Ohio State - #50
LSU - #10
VT - #9
OU - #29
Georgia - #34
Mizzou - #15

With VT being both a conference champion and having the highest SOS amongst the leading contenders for the 4 playoff spots, there is no way the Hokies don't get in that year. And the ACC had the #3 overall SOS that year as a conference.

Even though this has been posted repeatedly in the past, I post it again just in case any new posters think stever has a point.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-27-2012 08:01 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:51 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:19 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The ACC has an automatic qualifier into the 6 BCS bowls (Orange Bowl). How does that hurt the ACC?

That could be called a crumb going to the ACC.

I think the fact that it's going to be a selection committee is going to wind up biting the ACC in the rear end a lot. 2007 VT wouldn't have gotten in- and they're the only one that would be close the last 10 years.

I think 10% of your posts on this board are specifically trying to make people believe this fantasy.

What fantasy?

2007-
Ohio St- VT would not finish ahead of them. period.
LSU- 48-7? Enough said
Oklahoma coming off demolition of #1 Missouri and with same record- enough said
USC in a period where they had been to BCS bowls 5 straight years and had same record.. I don't think so VT.

The only one that is remotely debatable is USC.

That's not a fantasy at all...

What about Georgia and (to a lesser extent) Kansas? USC's loss to a terrible Stanford team (one of the biggest upsets ever) may have kept them out.

Georgia would have had a great case. I wasn't using them because of the non-conference champion factor. However, I could see a committee putting them in over a team that got blown out 48-7.

Don't think Kansas would have had a prayer- having lost to Missouri last game of season.

(06-27-2012 08:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:57 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Of the 12 spots, The ACC in most years would get at least 2. They got 2 last year out of 10 spots.

Now that's a fantasy..

4 playoff teams- most years from the true 4 power conferences
4 teams for Rose/Champions bowl- from the true 4 power conferences
1 acc team

There's only 3 other spots. most years it'll go to another SEC, Big Ten team, and then 1 from any of the other 4 power conferences.

Really? If 4 teams come from the SEC, B1G, PAC, B12 and the Rose and Consolation Bowl are the 2 Semi Final site, there are no commitments to take any other teams from those conferences.

Who is in a Fantasy World?

Yet again people assume teams will stay as weak or strong as they are now.

How good will Baylor be without a Heisman winning quarterback?

How will Stanford be without Luck?

Will Conor Shaw be able to do anything at QB for South Carolina?

How will Arkansas do without Petrino?

Will Al Golden turn things around in Miami? Will the NCAA get enough evidence to penalize Miami?

Will Oregon get out from under the Lemichael James allegations?

Will LSU figure out the forward pass?

Will Texas turn things around under Mack Brown?

Will Muschamp be any good?

Can FSU actually live up to the hype?

(06-27-2012 07:51 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:19 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The ACC has an automatic qualifier into the 6 BCS bowls (Orange Bowl). How does that hurt the ACC?

That could be called a crumb going to the ACC.

I think the fact that it's going to be a selection committee is going to wind up biting the ACC in the rear end a lot. 2007 VT wouldn't have gotten in- and they're the only one that would be close the last 10 years.

I think 10% of your posts on this board are specifically trying to make people believe this fantasy.

Spot on. I can't wait for 8/15....

(06-27-2012 08:02 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:51 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:19 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The ACC has an automatic qualifier into the 6 BCS bowls (Orange Bowl). How does that hurt the ACC?

That could be called a crumb going to the ACC.

I think the fact that it's going to be a selection committee is going to wind up biting the ACC in the rear end a lot. 2007 VT wouldn't have gotten in- and they're the only one that would be close the last 10 years.

I think 10% of your posts on this board are specifically trying to make people believe this fantasy.

Seems that way, doesn't it. And I've had him on ignore for at least 2 weeks now, so it might have gone up since then.

Anyway, here are the SOS of the top 6 teams that year.

Ohio State - #50
LSU - #10
VT - #9
OU - #29
Georgia - #34
Mizzou - #15

With VT being both a conference champion and having the highest SOS amongst the leading contenders for the 4 playoff spots, there is no way the Hokies don't get in that year. And the ACC had the #3 overall SOS that year as a conference.

Even though this has been posted repeatedly in the past, I post it again just in case any new posters think stever has a point.

Cheers,
Neil

Your SOS ratings are crap there Neil. Here's the AH computer ratings with SOS:
http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_d097.html
Ohio St 60
LSU 40
VT 39
Oklahoma 46
Georgia 30
Missouri 25
USC 37

VT's problem that year was perception. 48-7 just would have jaded the selection committee big time.

(06-27-2012 08:05 AM)DeacKillsaDevil Wrote:  Yet again people assume teams will stay as weak or strong as they are now.

How good will Baylor be without a Heisman winning quarterback?

How will Stanford be without Luck?

Will Conor Shaw be able to do anything at QB for South Carolina?

How will Arkansas do without Petrino?

Will Al Golden turn things around in Miami? Will the NCAA get enough evidence to penalize Miami?

Will Oregon get out from under the Lemichael James allegations?

Will LSU figure out the forward pass?

Will Texas turn things around under Mack Brown?

Will Muschamp be any good?

Can FSU actually live up to the hype?

That's a lot of questions......I might be able to give you answers as soon as I hear back from "the Dude".

Dennis Dodd has been wrong on so much of this stuff...dire predictions are commonplace with him.

Most years the 12 slots will be:

SEC - 3
B12 - 2
PAC - 2
B1G - 2
ACC - 2
Open - 1

(06-27-2012 08:05 AM)DeacKillsaDevil Wrote:  Yet again people assume teams will stay as weak or strong as they are now.

How good will Baylor be without a Heisman winning quarterback?

How will Stanford be without Luck?

Will Conor Shaw be able to do anything at QB for South Carolina?

How will Arkansas do without Petrino?

Will Al Golden turn things around in Miami? Will the NCAA get enough evidence to penalize Miami?

Will Oregon get out from under the Lemichael James allegations?

Will LSU figure out the forward pass?

Will Texas turn things around under Mack Brown?

Will Muschamp be any good?

Can FSU actually live up to the hype?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you're wrong...I'm 22 and have been watching college football for 3 years I know what I'm talking about!

What happened in 2011 will be forever be the new paradigm.

(06-27-2012 08:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 08:02 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:51 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:19 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The ACC has an automatic qualifier into the 6 BCS bowls (Orange Bowl). How does that hurt the ACC?

That could be called a crumb going to the ACC.

I think the fact that it's going to be a selection committee is going to wind up biting the ACC in the rear end a lot. 2007 VT wouldn't have gotten in- and they're the only one that would be close the last 10 years.

I think 10% of your posts on this board are specifically trying to make people believe this fantasy.

Seems that way, doesn't it. And I've had him on ignore for at least 2 weeks now, so it might have gone up since then.

Anyway, here are the SOS of the top 6 teams that year.

Ohio State - #50
LSU - #10
VT - #9
OU - #29
Georgia - #34
Mizzou - #15

With VT being both a conference champion and having the highest SOS amongst the leading contenders for the 4 playoff spots, there is no way the Hokies don't get in that year. And the ACC had the #3 overall SOS that year as a conference.

Even though this has been posted repeatedly in the past, I post it again just in case any new posters think stever has a point.

Cheers,
Neil

Your SOS ratings are crap there Neil. Here's the AH computer ratings with SOS:
http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_d097.html
Ohio St 60
LSU 40
VT 39
Oklahoma 46
Georgia 30
Missouri 25
USC 37

VT's problem that year was perception. 48-7 just would have jaded the selection committee big time.

I don't really disagree. That would have looked terrible to the committee. But there would have been issues to resolve about USC's loss at home to 4-8 Stanford, and Georgia not even winning their division in the SEC.

(06-27-2012 08:04 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 08:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:57 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Of the 12 spots, The ACC in most years would get at least 2. They got 2 last year out of 10 spots.

Now that's a fantasy..

4 playoff teams- most years from the true 4 power conferences
4 teams for Rose/Champions bowl- from the true 4 power conferences
1 acc team

There's only 3 other spots. most years it'll go to another SEC, Big Ten team, and then 1 from any of the other 4 power conferences.

Really? If 4 teams come from the SEC, B1G, PAC, B12 and the Rose and Consolation Bowl are the 2 Semi Final site, there are no commitments to take any other teams from those conferences.

Who is in a Fantasy World?

There's no commitments, but 1st off after the 9 that would have been in last year-
LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma St, Oregon, Stanford, Wisconsin, Kansas St, Arkansas, and Clemson- you have only 3 spots left. If it's done by a selection committee(which was said for all the spots)- it's very possible that the teams selected would be South Carolina, Michigan, and Baylor.

How has this new system reduced access for the ACC or BE?

Only two teams played for the BCS NCG....when was the last time a BE or ACC team played for that, 12 years ago?
The reality is that no teams from those leagues deserved to be in it. Even Cincy got rolled in their Big Bowl game when they went unbeaten during the regular season.

Teams like Boise, TCU and Utah finished unbeaten even after the Bowls. Going from 2 to 4 teams increases the access for teams like these and for Cincy that year...however as we know, Cincy would have got rolled.

So many of these journalists are over stating this because they love the controversy. This new system took out two of the biggest problems with the old system...only 2 teams had access and the polls helped decide things. Polls are stupid and journalists dont like to be told that their opinions mean nothing.

(06-27-2012 08:18 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Most years the 12 slots will be:

SEC - 3
B12 - 2
PAC - 2
B1G - 2
ACC - 2
Open - 1

I think Big Ten gets 3 most years and ACC 1- otherwise you're right.

(06-27-2012 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 08:18 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Most years the 12 slots will be:

SEC - 3
B12 - 2
PAC - 2
B1G - 2
ACC - 2
Open - 1

I think Big Ten gets 3 most years and ACC 1- otherwise you're right.

Yes because the ACC can never improve

(06-27-2012 07:37 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:19 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The ACC has an automatic qualifier into the 6 BCS bowls (Orange Bowl). How does that hurt the ACC?

The ACC will still be in the Orange Bowl. The question is what happens when a 12-1 ACC champion is compared to a 11-1 or 11-2 Big 12 or SEC or Big Ten runner-up for the fourth semifinal spot. Magic 8-ball says...ask again later.

What if that 11-1 ACC team beat the team they are competing with for the last spot? Like FSU/UF, Clemson/ South Carolina or UGA, Pitt/WVU, etc.

(06-27-2012 08:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 08:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 08:02 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:51 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 07:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  That could be called a crumb going to the ACC.

I think the fact that it's going to be a selection committee is going to wind up biting the ACC in the rear end a lot. 2007 VT wouldn't have gotten in- and they're the only one that would be close the last 10 years.

I think 10% of your posts on this board are specifically trying to make people believe this fantasy.

Seems that way, doesn't it. And I've had him on ignore for at least 2 weeks now, so it might have gone up since then.

Anyway, here are the SOS of the top 6 teams that year.

Ohio State - #50
LSU - #10
VT - #9
OU - #29
Georgia - #34
Mizzou - #15

With VT being both a conference champion and having the highest SOS amongst the leading contenders for the 4 playoff spots, there is no way the Hokies don't get in that year. And the ACC had the #3 overall SOS that year as a conference.

Even though this has been posted repeatedly in the past, I post it again just in case any new posters think stever has a point.

Cheers,
Neil

Your SOS ratings are crap there Neil. Here's the AH computer ratings with SOS:
http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_d097.html
Ohio St 60
LSU 40
VT 39
Oklahoma 46
Georgia 30
Missouri 25
USC 37

VT's problem that year was perception. 48-7 just would have jaded the selection committee big time.

I don't really disagree. That would have looked terrible to the committee. But there would have been issues to resolve about USC's loss at home to 4-8 Stanford, and Georgia not even winning their division in the SEC.

I agree with you Hokie, but I think they would have had 2 flawed teams in VT and USC there. Georgia would have been involved as well... I just think end of the day, USC with the roll they were on would have gotten the benefit of the doubt.

(06-27-2012 08:22 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 08:18 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Most years the 12 slots will be:

SEC - 3
B12 - 2
PAC - 2
B1G - 2
ACC - 2
Open - 1

I think Big Ten gets 3 most years and ACC 1- otherwise you're right.

Yes because the ACC can never improve

I say Big Ten gets 3 most years because they have been a deeper league. A lot of times, the ACC has only had the champ in a place where they could be selected.

Also, if the bowls select the last 3 spots, don't see a VT getting in last year over a South Carolina, Michigan. The final spot would just be location determining team.

(06-27-2012 08:22 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 08:18 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Most years the 12 slots will be:

SEC - 3
B12 - 2
PAC - 2
B1G - 2
ACC - 2
Open - 1

I think Big Ten gets 3 most years and ACC 1- otherwise you're right.

Yes because the ACC can never improve

Mark, I think what he's trying to say is that the current perception of the ACC is less than that of the other power conferences. Until the ACC proves that has changed, the perception will remain. That doesn't preclude the ability to change. But considering the performance of the ACC during the BCS era, and projecting that performance into the future, lends one to suspect the ACC would get fewer bids than the SEC, Big XII, Pac12, and B1G...

According to that criteria, the ACC would merit only one bid most years. It's up to the ACC to merit more, and that happens on the field...

(06-27-2012 08:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 08:22 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 08:18 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Most years the 12 slots will be:

SEC - 3
B12 - 2
PAC - 2
B1G - 2
ACC - 2
Open - 1

I think Big Ten gets 3 most years and ACC 1- otherwise you're right.

Yes because the ACC can never improve

Mark, I think what he's trying to say is that the current perception of the ACC is less than that of the other power conferences. Until the ACC proves that has changed, the perception will remain. That doesn't preclude the ability to change. But considering the performance of the ACC during the BCS era, and projecting that performance into the future, lends one to suspect the ACC would get fewer bids than the SEC, Big XII, Pac12, and B1G...

According to that criteria, the ACC would merit only one bid most years. It's up to the ACC to merit more, and that happens on the field...

Bottomline: If you don't make the semifinals...arguing about the other bowls is useless