Not a single one of you conservatives is going to come out and say that a news organization shouldn't be doing these sorts of stories? Really? That honestly just depresses the hell out of me.

(05-30-2012 11:01 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Not a single one of you conservatives is going to come out and say that a news organization shouldn't be doing these sorts of stories? Really? That honestly just depresses the hell out of me.

It's called reporting. What would you like new organzations to do? There wouldn't be any of this uproar over this particular case if the information had been presented in a graph or chart instead of a video.

(05-31-2012 06:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 11:01 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Not a single one of you conservatives is going to come out and say that a news organization shouldn't be doing these sorts of stories? Really? That honestly just depresses the hell out of me.

It's called reporting. What would you like new organzations to do? There wouldn't be any of this uproar over this particular case if the information had been presented in a graph or chart instead of a video.

I'm going on the record to state that if anything of this sort ever occurred towards obama on any other news network I would have a major issue with it. It's not even close to being equivalent to 'a chart or a graph'.

(05-30-2012 11:01 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Not a single one of you conservatives is going to come out and say that a news organization shouldn't be doing these sorts of stories? Really? That honestly just depresses the hell out of me.

Liberal news stations have been doing this kind of stuff for decades. We're just desensitized I guess. It's just TV, if you don't like it, don't watch. I get most of my news off the internet anyway.

(05-31-2012 06:55 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(05-30-2012 11:01 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Not a single one of you conservatives is going to come out and say that a news organization shouldn't be doing these sorts of stories? Really? That honestly just depresses the hell out of me.

Liberal news stations have been doing this kind of stuff for decades. We're just desensitized I guess. It's just TV, if you don't like it, don't watch. I get most of my news off the internet anyway.

No, they haven't, at least not that I've ever seen. If I had seen that however, I would have had major issues with it.

(05-30-2012 11:01 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Not a single one of you conservatives is going to come out and say that a news organization shouldn't be doing these sorts of stories? Really? That honestly just depresses the hell out of me.

I suspect about as many conservatives will say that as the number of liberals who will similarly complain about leftward bias at virtually any news source not named Fox. I don't really see how this is worse than Gibson or Couric or Lauer on a daily basis. Their bias is presented in a more subtle and artful manner, but I'm not at all sure that's a positive.

Fox is basically covering the stories that the rest don't cover because it doesn't fit their narrative. You have to watch Fox along with the rest in order to get the full picture. And that saddens me.

I don't care for MSNBC, it's too liberal leaning for me, but I shouldn't even say that because it gives credence to the thought that what MSNBC does is anywhere near what Fox news does. It's not even news at this point.

(05-31-2012 07:07 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't care for MSNBC, it's too liberal leaning for me, but I shouldn't even say that because it gives credence to the thought that what MSNBC does is anywhere near what Fox news does. It's not even news at this point.

People tend not to see biases that conform to their own as biases. You have made it pretty clear in previous posts that you have a pretty strong leftward bias. Therefore the strong but subtle leftward biases at places like NBC or CNN look to you like objective, middle of the road reporting.

(05-31-2012 07:07 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't care for MSNBC, it's too liberal leaning for me, but I shouldn't even say that because it gives credence to the thought that what MSNBC does is anywhere near what Fox news does. It's not even news at this point.

You sound like you get your talking points from Maddow or Matthews and I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

(05-31-2012 08:04 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 07:07 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't care for MSNBC, it's too liberal leaning for me, but I shouldn't even say that because it gives credence to the thought that what MSNBC does is anywhere near what Fox news does. It's not even news at this point.

You sound like you get your talking points from Maddow or Matthews and I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

I f*cking hate Matthews and Maddow both, I'd rather watch O'Reilly than them, so swing and miss there.

To be fair at least OReilly is funny.

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He is, and he's a smart guy. I wish he would use his intelligence a little more honestly and less to tow a line that I think is obvious he doesn't truly agree with sometimes, but his ability and efficacy at arguing are quite fun to watch.

He's completely different on radio.

(05-30-2012 05:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Fox is right of center. Everyone else is left of center. And Max, if you truly think Chuck Todd is a centrist, that tells us all anyone needs to know about how far left of the world you are.

A centrist is someone who takes left of center on as many issues as he or she takes right of center positions. For a true centrist, the number of both left-of-center and right-of-center positions, but we have relaxed that definition a bit to include those who take some positions on each side but balance the two. Chuck Todd (and Max) take left of center positions on some issues but don't take right of center positions on any. I'm not even aware of any where Max takes centrist positions.

No, Fox is FAR right of center and takes its daily talking points straight from the Republican National Committee which it harps 24/7. CNN is centrist or slightly left of center. MSNBC is far left of center from 5-10pm weekdays, and slightly right of center from 5-8am. The rest of the time it's run by the NBC news department which although is probably left of center I think it's fair to say makes a deliberate effort to be centrist.

The media is not out to get the GOP, and conservatives who spread the "liberal media" meme are trying to work the refs. Dan Rather was just talking about this on the Daily Show yesterday. Most in the media start out doing crime beats and see the Dickensian side of American society, and when they try to expose that they're branded as big government liberals.

I've seen a lot of Chuck Todd and from what I've seen he holds back from offering his opinion on issues (when he's on the air). He's a straight news guy and political analyst who tries to give you a snapshot of the political landscape at a given moment. If you have any instances of him betraying any deeply held views please share. I call him a centrist because he refrains from editorializing.

As for my conservative positions, abortion is one, and I also believe in strong law enforcement.

Quote:It presented factual information, not opinion. I have no problem with any news organization presenting facts to the public and in that sense it served its purpose. The only way I see liberals being able to bash this as partisan is if this exact video starts popping up in Romney ads later on.

Oh please. It cherrypicked facts that portray Obama in a bad light and presented them in graphics with ominous music playing in the background. That's propaganda, not journalism. And also it's not a fact that unemployment is 8.3%-- it's actually 8.1%.

They ignore the fact we've created over 4 million jobs in the last 2 years, and that all those job losses were in the first few months of the Obama administration, before his policies went into effect. I know this is unrealistic, but if the job losses we endured in Bush's last month in office continued until now we would have something like 37% unemployment. It ignores trends and the awful hand Obama was dealt. It ignores the fact a million of those jobs were cut by state and local governments headed by austerity Republicans, and we would only have 7% unemployment if they hadn't. It ignores the fact our economy has been growing while Europe's has been shrinking. The facts they present are worthy of discussion, but so are the positive statistics.

A fair and balanced video might show statistics like these, too help illustrate just how bad things were and why the stimulus spending was necessary:





And some video of Republican neocons sabre rattling one of the world's largest oil producers would have been nice background for the gas price graphic.

Quote:So pulling it was the fair and balanced thing to do.

More fair and balanced than leaving up the unfair and unbalanced ad they designed, sure. Oh, but they did put it back up again.

Quote:If the Obama camp has a problem with the then he needs to fix his record. No one is claiming the information is not true, just that a "news" organization shouldn't be playing politics lol. MSNBC, CNN, FOX and all the others are political hacks. Why is anyone surprised by this? You can see it on MSNBC every night too.

But this wasn't at night. The issue is that this is an institutional problem at Fox News, contrary to their claims. Everyone knows the 5-10pm guys like Hannity, O'Reilly, Ed Schultz and Lawrence O'Donnell are extremely biased. But Fox says it's ONLY those 5-10 guys. Which you know is crap, and this confirms it, with an associate producer in charge of the morning show spending weeks putting together propaganda like this. Get back to me with anything that comes close to this airing on MSNBC that isn't in its 5-10 slot or CNN at all. If CNN or MSNBC truly was pulling stunts like this you would see videos with ominous music showing Romney talking about how Obama doesn't understand how to create jobs and showing how he was 47th in job creation in Massachussetts. Sorry, I just can't imagine Wolf Blitzer, John King or Joe Scarborough doing that.

Quote:Prepare for the ugliest election in history. Thing is, if the election was today it would be the same results as Nov. People have already made up their minds. One and Done for Obaffoon.

Not a chance. If the election was today Obama would wipe the floor with Romney in the electoral college. Talking Points Memo composite battleground state polls show Obama with comfortable 5+ point leads in most battleground states, and trending in his favor.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/30...nd-polling

If you want to know the real state of the race this is what you need to pay attention to-- not national polls in which Obama's numbers are weighed down by the widespread Obama hatred in the durrty south and Appalachia.

Like I said earlier, hopefully Fox becomes a full fledged cheerleader for Romney. Obama has all of the other media outlets in his back pocket.

Fox has been a full fledged cheerleader for the GOP for 15 years now, moreso than any other channel (save Current TV, which is only on expanded offerings). Watch Outfoxed.

NBC created Anti-Romney Video- Aired on MSNBC, Maxi Pad said nothing. Shocking

In other words, STFU Maxi you hypocritical POS.

Dan Rather is either still lying to everybody or he's delusional like Max. OR, more likely now the 80 year old is just senile or in the beginning stages of dementia.

CNN is centrist? NBC is SLIGHTLY left of center? MSNBC is slightly right of center at certain times? Now we know who one of the five people are who watch that dreck.

Max, was it the left or the right that spawned Journolist? This was a group of mainstream news talkers and writers that got together each day online to co-ordinate their dem talking points. That was a clue, doofus. It isn't the right that does that, as you claim but your side of the aisle. The same people who love to try and stifle opposing views. Fairness doctrine, anybody? Truth squad on WH.gov?

When you are far left, everybody looks right to you and that seems to describe Max.