(05-13-2012 08:40 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(05-13-2012 05:35 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Sun Belt Conference schools by athletic expenses. Liberty at 19 Million. App State at 17, Georgia Southern at 11 million. Who is more ready to make the jump? Considering you just lost your top three budgets, Liberty would slide right in at number 3 on your list.


Sun Belt By Athletic Expenses (2010)

Rk Athl. Exp School
100 $24,629,516 Denver
102 $24,606,140 Florida International
112 $22,417,616 North Texas
113 $22,269,484 Western Kentucky
123 $21,072,832 Middle Tennessee
171 $15,805,284 South Alabama
174 $15,604,005 Florida Atlantic
181 $14,981,238 Troy
192 $13,859,754 Louisiana-Lafayette
231 $11,451,195 Arkansas State
307 $8,273,246 Louisiana-Monroe
312 $8,016,468 Arkansas-Little Rock

James Madison spent about 33 or 34M last year on athletics I believe. What's your point? Delaware spends even more.

The whole concept of athletic budget is important, but not as important as one might believe. First, there are schools that need to up their game (ULM, I'm talking to you).

By the way, I think stAte's budget is probably higher now. UALR's budget isn't comparable because they don't have football.

Some teams choose to compete and throw resources at sports that aren't revenue sports. Some teams have additional travel costs. Remember that the Sun Belt is primarily a bus conference, not an airplane conference. Also, there are teams that aren't paying the note on a new stadium.

Yes, an athletic budget is important. But more important is what they are spending the money on.

We spend 5.2 million on our football program as an FCS member. I will do the research on the current Sun Belt schools and see how much they spend on football. My guess is we are comparable.

(05-13-2012 08:40 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(05-13-2012 05:35 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Sun Belt Conference schools by athletic expenses. Liberty at 19 Million. App State at 17, Georgia Southern at 11 million. Who is more ready to make the jump? Considering you just lost your top three budgets, Liberty would slide right in at number 3 on your list.


Sun Belt By Athletic Expenses (2010)

Rk Athl. Exp School
100 $24,629,516 Denver
102 $24,606,140 Florida International
112 $22,417,616 North Texas
113 $22,269,484 Western Kentucky
123 $21,072,832 Middle Tennessee
171 $15,805,284 South Alabama
174 $15,604,005 Florida Atlantic
181 $14,981,238 Troy
192 $13,859,754 Louisiana-Lafayette
231 $11,451,195 Arkansas State
307 $8,273,246 Louisiana-Monroe
312 $8,016,468 Arkansas-Little Rock

James Madison spent about 33 or 34M last year on athletics I believe. What's your point? Delaware spends even more.

The point is that you simply cannot win in collegiate athletics without spending a lot of money on a program. How much a university is willing to spend on athletics and especially football is a good barometer of how well they will do.

Is there a site that shows athletic budgets without the cost of tuition, room and board. That would give a better picture of the overall spending on athletics.

Just wow. So undeterred. You have 12 yes votes out of 77 or 15.6% and actually 4 are Liberty folks and GSUEagles voted in correct so you actually have 7 out of 72 or 10.3%. Can we get a concession speech in the morning?

(05-13-2012 09:45 PM)panama Wrote:  Just wow. So undeterred. You have 12 yes votes out of 77 or 15.6% and actually 4 are Liberty folks and GSUEagles voted in correct so you actually have 7 out of 72 or 10.3%. Can we get a concession speech in the morning?

http://www.csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=569923

(05-13-2012 09:44 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Is there a site that shows athletic budgets without the cost of tuition, room and board. That would give a better picture of the overall spending on athletics.

Www://bbstate.com

Great site - can rank conferences by athletic budgets.

(05-13-2012 09:47 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(05-13-2012 09:45 PM)panama Wrote:  Just wow. So undeterred. You have 12 yes votes out of 77 or 15.6% and actually 4 are Liberty folks and GSUEagles voted in correct so you actually have 7 out of 72 or 10.3%. Can we get a concession speech in the morning?

http://www.csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=569923

The posts on that thread are hilarious.

(05-13-2012 09:44 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Is there a site that shows athletic budgets without the cost of tuition, room and board. That would give a better picture of the overall spending on athletics.

That's a good point. Since Liberty and Denver (the only two private schools in this analysis) are private, their 'tuition, R&B' charges to their athletic budget are going to skew the results.

Troy and USA have extremely affordable tuition. Therefore, their tuition charges per football scholarship are going to be very low.

(05-13-2012 09:47 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(05-13-2012 09:45 PM)panama Wrote:  Just wow. So undeterred. You have 12 yes votes out of 77 or 15.6% and actually 4 are Liberty folks and GSUEagles voted in correct so you actually have 7 out of 72 or 10.3%. Can we get a concession speech in the morning?

http://www.csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=569923

Holy, wow. Going to LU must not get you a job because what else could they be doing with all their time?

(05-13-2012 09:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Troy and USA have extremely affordable tuition. Therefore, their tuition charges per football scholarship are going to be very low.

I'm sure that's all relative, lol. Troy, when I was in school (I just graduated Friday, clap for me) was roughly 3,500 per semester, or 7,000 a year. It was 4,000 per year when I started in 2005. I was there for a while, no doubt. It's not law school expensive by any means, but it's no wallace community college either. I'm curious to know tuition from other schools. I will start a thread. Thanks for the idea.

And you guys are invited to stream the presser at 1pm edt if you would like: http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?PID=25587

(05-13-2012 09:48 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Great site - can rank conferences by athletic budgets.

I didn't see a breakdown without tuition, R &B. Just a list like you can find anywhere of total budget.

Try this one - http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

(05-13-2012 07:13 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-13-2012 06:56 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 04:49 PM)panama Wrote:  Exactly. You put that on your home football schedule and you see what happens.

What a crock. Aren't you being a little bigoted there ? Guess you want a litmus test for who you should or should not play. Gotta make sure they as lock step with your thinking, right ?

Liberty is actually better know than Georgia State. A lotta folks have absolutely no problem playing them, so why should you ?
You need to leave religion and beliefs out of sports please. If you can't handle that, it's your problem.

I am not bringing religion or politics into anything and I would prefer to not have to deal with either on a sports message board. But as can be evidenced by the controversial tone of about 3 threads on this board Liberty's mere presence will take the conversation there unfortunately. As a side note I stand by my assertion that Liberty on our schedule will be no better of a draw than Campbell or NC Central. Its a fantasy to believe that in an ACC/SEC city people will care about Liberty football. I have spent a couple years explaining to people that this team or that team plays great football. People do not care. They have it in their mind what real football is (despite that I do not agree). Reasonably the only FCS schools left that have any name recognition even regionally are Georgia Southern and Appalachian State. More people on Sunday news shows know about Liberty than people watching ESPN.

You are so wrong that if you weren't a GSU fan, I'd ridicule you. Don't limit yourself to the circles you are familiar with. I am familiar with circles in Atlanta that would show up big for that game.

I find it funny that there is a specific fan base here that was in support of adding Furman but would be against Liberty.

Well I looked it up and compared Liberty and MT. The cost of attendance at liberty is about $15500 more per year than Middle. So if you have 200 student athletes thats about 3million more before you ever start actually spending money on the operation of the AD. So dollar for dollar Liberty would be in the bottom third of the conference.

(05-14-2012 10:21 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-13-2012 07:13 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-13-2012 06:56 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 04:49 PM)panama Wrote:  Exactly. You put that on your home football schedule and you see what happens.

What a crock. Aren't you being a little bigoted there ? Guess you want a litmus test for who you should or should not play. Gotta make sure they as lock step with your thinking, right ?

Liberty is actually better know than Georgia State. A lotta folks have absolutely no problem playing them, so why should you ?
You need to leave religion and beliefs out of sports please. If you can't handle that, it's your problem.

I am not bringing religion or politics into anything and I would prefer to not have to deal with either on a sports message board. But as can be evidenced by the controversial tone of about 3 threads on this board Liberty's mere presence will take the conversation there unfortunately. As a side note I stand by my assertion that Liberty on our schedule will be no better of a draw than Campbell or NC Central. Its a fantasy to believe that in an ACC/SEC city people will care about Liberty football. I have spent a couple years explaining to people that this team or that team plays great football. People do not care. They have it in their mind what real football is (despite that I do not agree). Reasonably the only FCS schools left that have any name recognition even regionally are Georgia Southern and Appalachian State. More people on Sunday news shows know about Liberty than people watching ESPN.

You are so wrong that if you weren't a GSU fan, I'd ridicule you. Don't limit yourself to the circles you are familiar with. I am familiar with circles in Atlanta that would show up big for that game.

Man, I am so hyped for Georgia State vs Liberty. I sure hope there will be somewhere to sit, these research institutions know how to draw a crowd, dogg.

(05-14-2012 10:23 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  I find it funny that there is a specific fan base here that was in support of adding Furman but would be against Liberty.

One guy mentioned Furman on our message board and we laughed him out of the room. So I'm pretty sure your not talking about us.

(05-14-2012 10:23 AM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Well I looked it up and compared Liberty and MT. The cost of attendance at liberty is about $15500 more per year than Middle. So if you have 200 student athletes thats about 3million more before you ever start actually spending money on the operation of the AD. So dollar for dollar Liberty would be in the bottom third of the conference.

And how much you wanna bet the Room and Board is much higher there too.