Quo... read http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=568...pid7861980 very interesting stuff.

(05-07-2012 09:36 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 09:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:24 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  Maybe the presidents wanted a new chief for the upcoming TV negotiations?

Or they weren't happy with the concessions he has already(?) made regarding the new BCS playoff?

Yes, this is a bad sign for those who have been optimistic about the upcoming media negotiations and whether we will retain our "big boy" share of revenue from the new 4-team playoff system, because it likely means that the University Presidents are not optimistic about them.

Or at least not optimistic that Marinatto could get them there. Maybe Joe Bailey or someone else could. You don't fire a guy at this time without a plan. Nothing has failed yet. This strikes me as a proactive move, not a retribution.

Look, we are in the midst of critical negotiations. You do not fire the guy leading the charge unless you do not think he is getting the job done NOW.

Sure, you bring in a new guy with the hope that he can turn things around, but there is no need for a turnaround unless things are currently going BADLY.

I'm sorry, but that is clearly the most plausible interpretation of today's events.

RT @McMurphyCBS: Potentional names for Big East commish:Nick Carparelli, Kevin Weiberg, Kit Morris, Greg Shaheen, Tim Pernetti,Tom Odjakjian

RT @McMurphyCBS: Big East hires Boston Consulting Group to review its "organizational design & structure"

(05-07-2012 09:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What "spin"? Only someone with their head buried in the sand would suggest that this is anything but a BAD sign about the Big East's revenue prospects in the new playoff system and media negotiations.

Head in the sand? Quite the contrary. I see this as a positive sign. Through the ordeal with Nova/Temple, Marinatto always struck me as being more concerned with the interests of the basketball schools.

...much like how Beebe was more concerned with the interests of Texas in the Big 12.

I see this move very similarly to that one.

I definitely feel like our Presidents wanted a greater personality in charge of our conference as we charted a course with our new media partners. That's not a bad sign.

It worked rather well with the Big 12.

http://www.pac-12.org/ABOUT/Staff/StaffD...iberg.aspx

Kevin Weiberg would be a great hire.

Marinatto: "How disappointing it is to find people who you trust and had relationships with suddenly become untrustworthy....(More)"

Marinatto cont: “It’s discouraging and disappointing and it’s not part of what you think intercollegiate athletics or higher ed is about.”

(05-07-2012 09:45 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 08:49 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Hire Steve Orsini.

Jack Swarbrick as Big East Commissioner.

Steve Orsini as new ND AD.

Heck, I can throw things out there too... :)

Stay away from Steve

(05-07-2012 09:58 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 09:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What "spin"? Only someone with their head buried in the sand would suggest that this is anything but a BAD sign about the Big East's revenue prospects in the new playoff system and media negotiations.

Head in the sand? Quite the contrary. I see this as a positive sign. Through the ordeal with Nova/Temple, Marinatto always struck me as being more concerned with the interests of the basketball schools.

Much like how Beebe was more concerned with the interests of Texas in the Big 12.

I see this move very similarly to that one.

I definitely feel like our Presidents wanted a greater personality in charge of our conference as we charted a course with our new media partners. That's not a bad sign.

It worked rather well with the Big 12.

And the amazing thing is..... the basketball schools wanted him "outta here".

(05-07-2012 09:55 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  RT @WhitesideUSAT: Two officials in Big East told me Marinatto being forced out was a long time coming after expansion/TV mess.

I still don't know why he wasn't fired earlier after that whole Villanova expansion fiasco. Where he had ensured Nova they were a shoe in and all they had to do was show up....with any plan.

Or the day we had all heard about Pitt and SU leaving for the ACC at midnight/ early Saturday morning and Marinatto doesn't hear know about it until lunch-time at the WVU - Maryland game. Way to be on top of things.

(05-07-2012 09:48 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Terry would you please give us Notre Dame's position on this.

Huh? I have no idea.

Personally, I think that this move won't matter much one way or the other.

(05-07-2012 09:52 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  So here are my initial thoughts (and I could be dead wrong obviously, because this is pure speculation). The timing is odd, but something tells me the new voting members had something to do with this. I think the football schools and new voting members together thought New leadership with long term vision for where college football is going was necessary. I think it's likely a power grab from the football schools/new members against the basketball schools. To me this is the only reason that makes sense for this happening now and not earlier.

I have no idea what effect this has on negotiations but I am betting it is negligible. I am sure there is a plan moving forward. I still think the TV deal is going to great, and I think the new members are ready to move forward.

Scary to think that the conference's future is now controlled by a bunch of programs that have yet to play a down or take a dribble in the conference.
CJ

Well, according to ESPN it might have been the Basketball Schools that made the push...also, it might be a sign that Louisville is closer out the door:

A source said Marinatto's exit had been building for weeks. The source said the basketball members in the Big East were upset that they had no say in the expansion process.

In addition, Louisville athletic director Tom Jurich was a close confident of Marinatto and his pending departure has pushed the Cardinals to further consider the Big 12 if they can get an invitation from the current 10-team league, a source said.

Now the 2nd part is no real secret so why would she even report it...but we do know that Marinatto was close to TJ and especially Pitino.

Also a tidbit about the TV rights:

While the Big East is in line for a significant bump in TV revenue, it remains unclear just how big the boost will be with the newest additions. Few people in the industry expect the Big East to garner what the ACC has gotten, for example. The Big East has its spring meetings set to begin May 21 in Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...-landscape

(05-07-2012 09:52 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  So here are my initial thoughts (and I could be dead wrong obviously, because this is pure speculation). The timing is odd, but something tells me the new voting members had something to do with this. I think the football schools and new voting members together thought New leadership with long term vision for where college football is going was necessary. I think it's likely a power grab from the football schools/new members against the basketball schools. To me this is the only reason that makes sense for this happening now and not earlier.

I have no idea what effect this has on negotiations but I am betting it is negligible. I am sure there is a plan moving forward. I still think the TV deal is going to great, and I think the new members are ready to move forward.

Okay a few things.

The FB only schools can only vote in FB related manners. I don't know if they could even vote on this issue.

You are making a very big leap that the FB schools are making a power play against the BBall schools. You need a super majority to nix the commish. If the FB onlys can't vote than that's 10-8. Not nearly enough votes to out him. That means half if not all of the BBall schools also voted to out him.

I just think that the presidents didn't trust his leadership skills. He was a good idea man but not a good leader. Remember that the league was thinking of dissolving after the first raid and it was his plan to bring in the five schools he did. Also his plan that got these new schools as well.

I don't think this has to do with the playoff meetings and more to do with the TV rights.

(05-07-2012 10:00 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  Marinatto: "How disappointing it is to find people who you trust and had relationships with suddenly become untrustworthy....(More)"

Marinatto cont: “It’s discouraging and disappointing and it’s not part of what you think intercollegiate athletics or higher ed is about.”

I wonder if this was directed at Jurich as he was always John's biggest supporter.
CJ

(05-07-2012 10:02 AM)Maize Wrote:  Well, according to ESPN it might have been the Basketball Schools that made the push...also, it might be a sign that Louisville is closer out the door:

A source said Marinatto's exit had been building for weeks. The source said the basketball members in the Big East were upset that they had no say in the expansion process.

In addition, Louisville athletic director Tom Jurich was a close confident of Marinatto and his pending departure has pushed the Cardinals to further consider the Big 12 if they can get an invitation from the current 10-team league, a source said.

Now the 2nd part is no real secret so why would she even report it...but we do know that Marinatto was close to TJ and especially Pitino.

Also a tidbit about the TV rights:

While the Big East is in line for a significant bump in TV revenue, it remains unclear just how big the boost will be with the newest additions. Few people in the industry expect the Big East to garner what the ACC has gotten, for example. The Big East has its spring meetings set to begin May 21 in Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...-landscape

Espn certainly doesn't have an agenda after we turned them down last year, right?

Gosh, I sure hope the new commish is a Providence guy. Providence guys are so forward-thinking, always putting the most important sport, football, first. Maybe a janitor at the Dunkin Donuts Center would like to be promoted.

(05-07-2012 10:06 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 10:02 AM)Maize Wrote:  Well, according to ESPN it might have been the Basketball Schools that made the push...also, it might be a sign that Louisville is closer out the door:

A source said Marinatto's exit had been building for weeks. The source said the basketball members in the Big East were upset that they had no say in the expansion process.

In addition, Louisville athletic director Tom Jurich was a close confident of Marinatto and his pending departure has pushed the Cardinals to further consider the Big 12 if they can get an invitation from the current 10-team league, a source said.

Now the 2nd part is no real secret so why would she even report it...but we do know that Marinatto was close to TJ and especially Pitino.

Also a tidbit about the TV rights:

While the Big East is in line for a significant bump in TV revenue, it remains unclear just how big the boost will be with the newest additions. Few people in the industry expect the Big East to garner what the ACC has gotten, for example. The Big East has its spring meetings set to begin May 21 in Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...-landscape

Espn certainly doesn't have an agenda after we turned them down last year, right?

Yes they have an agenda but they did shoot down something that some have tried to speculate:

If this has been "Building" for weeks then it was before the start of the BCS Meetings...this has nothing to do with the "Mendoza Line"...doesn't fit the timeline.

(05-07-2012 10:03 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 10:00 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  Marinatto: "How disappointing it is to find people who you trust and had relationships with suddenly become untrustworthy....(More)"

Marinatto cont: “It’s discouraging and disappointing and it’s not part of what you think intercollegiate athletics or higher ed is about.”

I wonder if this was directed at Jurich as he was always John's biggest supporter.
CJ

Eh, it's probably directed at the other commissioners...I bet Marinatto thought of Swoff as his "colleague," not as his competitor. I used to give JM the benefit of the doubt--like, maybe his whole babe-in-the-woods schtick was an act to get people to let their guard down--but he just isn't a modern sports executive.

(05-07-2012 10:03 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 10:00 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  Marinatto: "How disappointing it is to find people who you trust and had relationships with suddenly become untrustworthy....(More)"

Marinatto cont: “It’s discouraging and disappointing and it’s not part of what you think intercollegiate athletics or higher ed is about.”

I wonder if this was directed at Jurich as he was always John's biggest supporter.
CJ

Yup, it seems to me it is directed at Dr. Ramsey, Tom Jurich and Rick Pitino.