(04-16-2012 12:54 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 12:34 PM)asumike83 Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 12:16 PM)panama Wrote:  Just Butt Hurt All Day Long. The AJC just posted a story showing our 2013 travel costs in the SBC will be $150k less than the travel in the CAA in 2012. SBC payout based on last years numbers would be $750k vs $200k for the CAA. Um...what?

Financially, the only thing that would have kept y'all in the CAA would be getting a piece of the NCAA money from the VCU Final 4 run. Moving from FCS to FBS is not always the right move for a school but in GSU's case, I really think it was a no-brainer, especially given the decrease in travel.

Some schools just shouldn't make the move. I think history will show Idaho was one of those. I think Idaho made a poor decision. They didn't have the facilities and no way to get them, coupled with being one of the most difficult places in football to travel to.

There are other schools that can make the move but they need to do it right.

I know at the time Arkansas State made the move it was a poor decision because the administration wanted to be I-A on a I-AA budget and that led to needless suffering for the fans until they got their act together nearly a decade later and made the building process far more difficult.

I think a solid case can be made that ULM and UNT didn't have things squared away when they moved and exposed their fans as well to needless heartache that could have been avoided with a couple more years wait.

Absolutely true! But, it's one of those 'we are here now' things, so we must keep plugging away at it.

(04-16-2012 03:24 PM)panama Wrote:  This is headed downhill FAST

Were you raised by a cat or dog? I am fascinated by the numbers of our membership who have been raised by animals.

I myself was raised by Wolves...my parents used to tell me that all the time when I was a kid.

(04-16-2012 03:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 03:24 PM)panama Wrote:  This is headed downhill FAST

Were you raised by a cat or dog? I am fascinated by the numbers of our membership who have been raised by animals.

I myself was raised by Wolves...my parents used to tell me that all the time when I was a kid.

I think the author of the first linked article was taught journalism by gorillas.

(04-16-2012 03:24 PM)panama Wrote:  This is headed downhill FAST

Like I said . . .

(04-16-2012 02:19 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 01:04 PM)Dedsquirrl Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 12:34 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  Off season sucks.

No kidding.
I would punch a kitten in the face if it would magically make it 08/30.

So you would commit animal cruelty and voluntarily surrender 4 and a half months of your LIFE just to get to football season? I like football but being willing to die early is dedicated!

Well ya know, when you play FBS level football the sport just seems to matter more.

(04-16-2012 01:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 01:32 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 12:54 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 12:34 PM)asumike83 Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 12:16 PM)panama Wrote:  Just Butt Hurt All Day Long. The AJC just posted a story showing our 2013 travel costs in the SBC will be $150k less than the travel in the CAA in 2012. SBC payout based on last years numbers would be $750k vs $200k for the CAA. Um...what?

Financially, the only thing that would have kept y'all in the CAA would be getting a piece of the NCAA money from the VCU Final 4 run. Moving from FCS to FBS is not always the right move for a school but in GSU's case, I really think it was a no-brainer, especially given the decrease in travel.

Some schools just shouldn't make the move. I think history will show Idaho was one of those. I think Idaho made a poor decision. They didn't have the facilities and no way to get them, coupled with being one of the most difficult places in football to travel to.

There are other schools that can make the move but they need to do it right.

I know at the time Arkansas State made the move it was a poor decision because the administration wanted to be I-A on a I-AA budget and that led to needless suffering for the fans until they got their act together nearly a decade later and made the building process far more difficult.

I think a solid case can be made that ULM and UNT didn't have things squared away when they moved and exposed their fans as well to needless heartache that could have been avoided with a couple more years wait.

Are you referring to our return to FBS in the mid 1990s?

Yep, looked like a real lack of focus and direction. Money spent on the quickie fix at Fouts might have been better directed.

I see, I completely agree with you in that it would have served us better to wait a couple years. That expansion made no sense either, wasn't needed, and made Fouts worse if that's even possible. Although one could argue no school is ever really "ready" to make the jump. The scholarship gap is a difficult thing to make up for in one year.

I try to keep off the FCS boards, or read anything from FCS fans about the sun belt(or WAC future members for that matter). Just a bunch of people who refuse to look at facts and would rather go for past perception. Anyone who's watched this league over the last decade can see the growth in each and every team top to bottom. I'd argue it took a little longer that we wanted, but the sun belt is in a great position now regardless of defections.

I bet those pathetic, angry, and sad posters at CAAZone.com are have a hay day with the hatchet job. The person writing was trying to be a journalist but failed almost completely. He did manage to get his name in print. Presenting incomplete and skewed facts does not make an argument and that is exactly what we have here.

(04-16-2012 05:14 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 01:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 01:32 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 12:54 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 12:34 PM)asumike83 Wrote:  Financially, the only thing that would have kept y'all in the CAA would be getting a piece of the NCAA money from the VCU Final 4 run. Moving from FCS to FBS is not always the right move for a school but in GSU's case, I really think it was a no-brainer, especially given the decrease in travel.

Some schools just shouldn't make the move. I think history will show Idaho was one of those. I think Idaho made a poor decision. They didn't have the facilities and no way to get them, coupled with being one of the most difficult places in football to travel to.

There are other schools that can make the move but they need to do it right.

I know at the time Arkansas State made the move it was a poor decision because the administration wanted to be I-A on a I-AA budget and that led to needless suffering for the fans until they got their act together nearly a decade later and made the building process far more difficult.

I think a solid case can be made that ULM and UNT didn't have things squared away when they moved and exposed their fans as well to needless heartache that could have been avoided with a couple more years wait.

Are you referring to our return to FBS in the mid 1990s?

Yep, looked like a real lack of focus and direction. Money spent on the quickie fix at Fouts might have been better directed.

I see, I completely agree with you in that it would have served us better to wait a couple years. That expansion made no sense either, wasn't needed, and made Fouts worse if that's even possible. Although one could argue no school is ever really "ready" to make the jump. The scholarship gap is a difficult thing to make up for in one year.

I try to keep off the FCS boards, or read anything from FCS fans about the sun belt(or WAC future members for that matter). Just a bunch of people who refuse to look at facts and would rather go for past perception. Anyone who's watched this league over the last decade can see the growth in each and every team top to bottom. I'd argue it took a little longer that we wanted, but the sun belt is in a great position now regardless of defections.

Sun Belt kept UNT from getting harder hit for moving unprepared. Still one has to wonder where we would be today if we had been better prepared. No, you can't be 100% ready but there have been some big mistakes made around the league. I'll give WKU credit, they were taking notes all those years and dodged many of our mistakes and it appears USA was doing so as well. I do know at one point there was a thought to let football use the existing training facilities and before things got too far along it was pointed out they would have to accomodate another 100 athletes in that facility.

Understanding the big picture is difficult.

Off the top of my head, the last four NCAA run-ins I can think of in the Sun Belt all boiled down to either inadequate support staff primarily for academic and academic certification issues or inadequate communication and cooperation between the campus academic offices and athletics. Even the APR issues that ULM had probably in large part had to do with those very same issues. The APR problems ASU basketball had really boiled down to not firing Nutt when he was down to one year left on his contract and he had a lot of roster spots to fill and filled them with transfers who disappeared soon as basketball ended and Nutt's son transferring to a juco rather than a four year school when he left.

Those aren't issues many people think about until its too late.

I'd say Troy faired better than most in our moving up period. it took us just 5 years to become a dominant FBS player.