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Tulsa police say shootings may have been revenge
Tulsa police say shootings may have been revenge

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Tula, Okla. – Two men were arrested Sunday in a shooting rampage that left three people dead and terrorized Tulsa's black community, and police said one suspect may have been trying to avenge his father's shooting two years ago by a black man.
Police identified both suspects as white, while all five victims in the rampage early Friday were black.
Police and the FBI said it is too soon to say whether the attacks in Tulsa's predominantly black north side were racially motivated. Police spokesman Jason Willingham said that investigators are considering many possible motives but based on Facebook postings, revenge appeared to be a factor.

In a Thursday update on Facebook that appeared to have been written by 19-year-old Jake England, he angrily blamed his father's death on a black man and used a racial slur. He said Thursday was the second anniversary of his father's death.
"It's hard not to go off," given the anniversary and the death of his fiancDee earlier this year, the posting said.
"It's apparent from the posting on the Facebook page that he had an ax to grind, and that was possibly part of the motive," Willingham said. "If you read the Facebook post and see what he's accused of doing, you can see there's link between the two of them."
The Facebook page had been taken down by Sunday afternoon.
A family friend, Susan Sevenstar, told The Associated Press that England was "a good kid" and "a good, hard worker," who "was not in his right mind" after losing his father and the January suicide of his fiancDee, with whom he'd recently had a baby.
"If anybody is trying to say this is a racial situation, they've got things confused," said Sevenstar, who described England as Cherokee Indian. "He didn't care what your color was. It wasn't a racist thing."
The Tulsa World reported that England's father, Carl, was shot in the chest during a scuffle with a man who had tried to break into his daughter's apartment. England later died.
The man charged in the shooting is serving a six-year sentence on a weapons charge, according to Department of Corrections records.
Acting on an anonymous tip and backed by a helicopter, police arrested Jake England and Alvin Watts, 32, about 2 a.m. Sunday at a home in Turley, just north of Tulsa. The two men were roommates, and officers went to their home, then followed them several blocks to another home, where they were arrested without incident, police said.
Authorities said they planned to charge them with murder and other offenses. Task force commander Maj. Walter Evans said that investigators recovered a weapon but that it was not clear who fired the shots. They also found a truck that had been burned.
Police previously said they were looking for a man in a white truck.
The Rev. Warren Blakney Sr., president of the Tulsa NAACP, said the arrests came as a big relief. Black community leaders had met Friday night amid fear over the shootings and concerns about possible vigilantism in retaliation.
"The community once again can go about its business without fear of there being a shooter on the streets on today, on Easter morning," Blakney said.
It was not immediately known if the suspects had lawyers.
Police Chief Chuck Jordan said the gunmen appeared to have chosen their victims at random. Police identified those killed as Dannaer Fields, 49, Bobby Clark, 54, and William Allen, 31. Two men were wounded but were released from the hospital, Jordan said.
The shootings come at a fraught moment for black Americans. In late February, an unarmed black teen, Trayvon Martin, was fatally shot by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford, Fla., raising questions about racial profiling and touching off protests across the nation.
While Tulsa police were reluctant to describe the shootings there as racially motivated, City Councilman Jack Henderson was not.
"Being an NAACP president for seven years, I think that somebody that committed these crimes were very upset with black people," Henderson said. "That person happened to be a white person, the people they happened to kill and shoot are black people. That fits the bill for me."
04-08-2012 10:02 PM
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So this time it may be a Cherokee but the media is going with white guy again.
04-08-2012 10:51 PM
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(04-08-2012 10:51 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So this time it may be a Cherokee but the media is going with white guy again.

Being a white male is quite a burden. I hope you are able to stay strong
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(04-09-2012 06:24 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  
(04-08-2012 10:51 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So this time it may be a Cherokee but the media is going with white guy again.

Being a white male is quite a burden. I hope you are able to stay strong

Damn you're stupid.
04-09-2012 07:33 AM
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(04-09-2012 06:24 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  
(04-08-2012 10:51 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So this time it may be a Cherokee but the media is going with white guy again.

Being a white male is quite a burden. I hope you are able to stay strong

Damn you are racist.
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Once convicted, Oklahoma should execute these killers. The guy might have grudges about his father's killer and I can't understand how the guy only got 6 years on a weapons charge when the person he was fighting with was shot in the chest...but that is another issue. That is no excuse for the deceased man's son to just randomly go shoot other folks.
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(04-09-2012 12:18 PM)boss man Wrote:  Once convicted, Oklahoma should execute these killers. The guy might have grudges about his father's killer and I can't understand how the guy only got 6 years on a weapons charge when the person he was fighting with was shot in the chest...but that is another issue. That is no excuse for the deceased man's son to just randomly go shoot other folks.

Yea this one seems pretty open and shut...
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(04-09-2012 12:18 PM)boss man Wrote:  Once convicted, Oklahoma should execute these killers. The guy might have grudges about his father's killer and I can't understand how the guy only got 6 years on a weapons charge when the person he was fighting with was shot in the chest...but that is another issue. That is no excuse for the deceased man's son to just randomly go shoot other folks.
Probably because it was self defense. 05-stirthepot
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(04-09-2012 12:21 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(04-09-2012 12:18 PM)boss man Wrote:  Once convicted, Oklahoma should execute these killers. The guy might have grudges about his father's killer and I can't understand how the guy only got 6 years on a weapons charge when the person he was fighting with was shot in the chest...but that is another issue. That is no excuse for the deceased man's son to just randomly go shoot other folks.

Yea this one seems pretty open and shut...
Wow. In this case you say it is "open and shut" when all you have is media reports but in other cases, it is wrong to jump to conclusions. I think you know what that makes you. 05-stirthepot
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If what is being reported is true (please note the caveat "IF" here, Robert. It's important) they should fry.

Racist act? Again "IF" but yes. Yes, indeed.

But before Robert gets his knickers in a twist, I'll venture a guess and say it was a white person who ratted them out.

Why point that out? Well, we see how brought the brush some folks paint with around here.
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(04-09-2012 12:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(04-09-2012 12:21 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(04-09-2012 12:18 PM)boss man Wrote:  Once convicted, Oklahoma should execute these killers. The guy might have grudges about his father's killer and I can't understand how the guy only got 6 years on a weapons charge when the person he was fighting with was shot in the chest...but that is another issue. That is no excuse for the deceased man's son to just randomly go shoot other folks.

Yea this one seems pretty open and shut...
Wow. In this case you say it is "open and shut" when all you have is media reports but in other cases, it is wrong to jump to conclusions. I think you know what that makes you. 05-stirthepot

Because SMAUG mentioned you I bothered to look at your posts here...

Ill just say this

Seems (v): To appear to be true, probable, or evident

I said it "Seems" to be true. If the facts are as reported then yea there is not a lot of room for doubt. This was premeditated well in advance, and did not involve the shooter being in a position where he felt endangered.

This case is *nothing* like what happened in Florida with the exception of the races... Which is all you folks on the left seem to notice.
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(04-09-2012 06:24 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  
(04-08-2012 10:51 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So this time it may be a Cherokee but the media is going with white guy again.

Being a white male is quite a burden. I hope you are able to stay strong

Are you saying that because what's expected from us is higher than what's expected from females and minorities? Now it could be said that you're a sexist racist. Or it could be said it's not sexism or racism if you're correct. Personally, as a white male, all I can say is it's lonely at the top.
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Liberals, pretend this was FOX when responding.



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Quote:AP: North Tulsa shooting suspects confess

TULSA, Okla. (AP) -- Tulsa police documents say the two suspects arrested in a shooting spree that terrorized the city's black community have both confessed.

The documents given to The Associated Press on Monday say 19-year-old Jake England confessed to shooting three people and 32-year-old Alvin Watts confessed to shooting two.

The shootings early Friday morning left three people dead and two seriously wounded. It's not clear from the affidavit which man shot which victim, but the document says police believe Watts shot two of the three people who died.

All the victims of the shooting spree were black, and police have described the suspects as white.

Police have said one motive for the shootings may have been England's desire to avenge his father's fatal shooting by a black man two years ago.
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(04-09-2012 12:18 PM)boss man Wrote:  Once convicted, Oklahoma should execute these killers. The guy might have grudges about his father's killer and I can't understand how the guy only got 6 years on a weapons charge when the person he was fighting with was shot in the chest...but that is another issue. That is no excuse for the deceased man's son to just randomly go shoot other folks.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.a...efat340206
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Pernell? Really?
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