(03-26-2012 09:08 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 07:46 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 07:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 07:18 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  But if we stayed two conferences we'd have to add more mouths like SJSU and USU which don't bring much to the table and would be in the MWC/Alliance. Why not just stay at 16 and have less mouths to feed while being an all sports FBS CUSA conference?

Two separate conferences means two autobids to NCAA tournaments in all sports instead of just one.

Two separate conferences means that the MWC gets to keep its NCAA hoops money and the Boise and SDSU exit fees instead of flushing all that money down the toilet.

Two separate conferences allows the MWC schools to easily say, "Changed our minds, g'bye" if Boise and SDSU end up not joining BE football.

AQ is the most overblown thing. CSU, UNM, UNLV, S.Miss would have all got in w/ 2 AQs or just 1. Why would we change our minds and merge w/ the WAc or them w/ the SBC when we are strongest merging MWC/CUSA. You really think BSU would change their minds now? If they are happy in a GWC/WAC and fb in the BE, why comeback to a MWC minus the CUSA?

Losing exit fees and credits is a small price to pay for a better/stronger conference in the long run.

The argument can rightfully be made that with CUSA losing Memphis (and UCF, Houston, SMU), that CUSA schools will see a significant drop in RPI. During many recent years, Memphis has been the only school that would have received a at-large bid if no auto bid was available. For the MWC, the presence of BYU and Utah was also a major historical help with RPI. The MWC had a lot more depth - SDSU (now gone), UNM, and UNLV - but if there was interdivisional play, the MWC's RPI would also drop.

Which is why they should get over their pride and grab SDSU's non-fb to boost their hoops profile and balance out Hawaii's football only membership.

(03-26-2012 09:22 PM)Sammy11 Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 09:08 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 07:46 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 07:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 07:18 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  But if we stayed two conferences we'd have to add more mouths like SJSU and USU which don't bring much to the table and would be in the MWC/Alliance. Why not just stay at 16 and have less mouths to feed while being an all sports FBS CUSA conference?

Two separate conferences means two autobids to NCAA tournaments in all sports instead of just one.

Two separate conferences means that the MWC gets to keep its NCAA hoops money and the Boise and SDSU exit fees instead of flushing all that money down the toilet.

Two separate conferences allows the MWC schools to easily say, "Changed our minds, g'bye" if Boise and SDSU end up not joining BE football.

AQ is the most overblown thing. CSU, UNM, UNLV, S.Miss would have all got in w/ 2 AQs or just 1. Why would we change our minds and merge w/ the WAc or them w/ the SBC when we are strongest merging MWC/CUSA. You really think BSU would change their minds now? If they are happy in a GWC/WAC and fb in the BE, why comeback to a MWC minus the CUSA?

Losing exit fees and credits is a small price to pay for a better/stronger conference in the long run.

The argument can rightfully be made that with CUSA losing Memphis (and UCF, Houston, SMU), that CUSA schools will see a significant drop in RPI. During many recent years, Memphis has been the only school that would have received a at-large bid if no auto bid was available. For the MWC, the presence of BYU and Utah was also a major historical help with RPI. The MWC had a lot more depth - SDSU (now gone), UNM, and UNLV - but if there was interdivisional play, the MWC's RPI would also drop.

Which is why they should get over their pride and grab SDSU's non-fb to boost their hoops profile and balance out Hawaii's football only membership.

Maybe by doing that they get a better tv deal. Maybe its enough to convince them to stay for football as well. Maybe that could get Boise to stay if SDSU backs out first.

(03-26-2012 09:08 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 07:46 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 07:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 07:18 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  But if we stayed two conferences we'd have to add more mouths like SJSU and USU which don't bring much to the table and would be in the MWC/Alliance. Why not just stay at 16 and have less mouths to feed while being an all sports FBS CUSA conference?

Two separate conferences means two autobids to NCAA tournaments in all sports instead of just one.

Two separate conferences means that the MWC gets to keep its NCAA hoops money and the Boise and SDSU exit fees instead of flushing all that money down the toilet.

Two separate conferences allows the MWC schools to easily say, "Changed our minds, g'bye" if Boise and SDSU end up not joining BE football.

AQ is the most overblown thing. CSU, UNM, UNLV, S.Miss would have all got in w/ 2 AQs or just 1. Why would we change our minds and merge w/ the WAc or them w/ the SBC when we are strongest merging MWC/CUSA. You really think BSU would change their minds now? If they are happy in a GWC/WAC and fb in the BE, why comeback to a MWC minus the CUSA?

Losing exit fees and credits is a small price to pay for a better/stronger conference in the long run.

The argument can rightfully be made that with CUSA losing Memphis (and UCF, Houston, SMU), that CUSA schools will see a significant drop in RPI. During many recent years, Memphis has been the only school that would have received a at-large bid if no auto bid was available. For the MWC, the presence of BYU and Utah was also a major historical help with RPI. The MWC had a lot more depth - SDSU (now gone), UNM, and UNLV - but if there was interdivisional play, the MWC's RPI would also drop.

Bringing in S.Miss, UAB, UTEP, Nevada would help bring it back up. So if you want to take away from us you should also be willing to add what bringing both sides does. You're crazy if you think the MWC/CUSA couldn't get at least 2 teams every year.

(03-26-2012 06:01 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I just want them to do something this alliance news is getting annoying and inconsistent. At least just hurry up and tell La Tech no so we can get on with our lives.

that statement is so profound. If you need to wait on La Tech to get on with your life it means TROY doesn't have a life. God I actually feel so sad for you guys being so far on the outside looking in.

One thing that is funny- if they don't dissolve-

Memphis right now has 4 million in future 2014 and later hoops unit money. If Memphis just makes the tourney in 2013- that will be 1.5 million more. A win, and it's 3 million more.

That money is credited towards the Memphis exit fee.. So say the fee is 7 million. Memphis makes the tourney with a win in 2013, they will be paying exactly $0. So while they'll get to keep the hoops units, the exit fees are nothing. Same would go with Houston, SMU, or UCF if they make the tourney next year. a win- and they have a 3 million dollar credit on the exit fees.

(03-26-2012 06:31 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 05:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  What might work is this:
MWC - without football
CUSA - without football
Alliance League - only contains football
The NCAA would not officially recognize the Alliance League as a voting FBS conference, but it could still likely have a championship game.

I agree that the NCAA would not recognize the league as there is no provision in NCAA rules for a football-only conference at the FBS level. The question is whether the BCS would recognize or grant membership to such a non-NCAA league. My guess is no. Why share the pie with a group of schools that aren't having to play by the same rules?

They do now with the SEC.

(03-27-2012 10:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  One thing that is funny- if they don't dissolve-

Memphis right now has 4 million in future 2014 and later hoops unit money. If Memphis just makes the tourney in 2013- that will be 1.5 million more. A win, and it's 3 million more.

That money is credited towards the Memphis exit fee.. So say the fee is 7 million. Memphis makes the tourney with a win in 2013, they will be paying exactly $0. So while they'll get to keep the hoops units, the exit fees are nothing. Same would go with Houston, SMU, or UCF if they make the tourney next year. a win- and they have a 3 million dollar credit on the exit fees.

If CUSA renegotiates their television contract, there's no guarantee that Memphis will have much of an exit fee anyway.

(03-26-2012 06:06 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-26-2012 05:12 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  According to McMurphy's blog the 2 conferences are still working things out, but may be 2 divisions with conference qualities. Don't ask me, I'm just reporting.

Awfully far along in the process to be working with a blank canvas.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...early-june

Maybe it's just careless speaking, but when the two conference commissioners are saying things like "There may be two independent divisions that both have the quality of conferences" and "It's still a bit of a white canvas", after they've supposedly spent months working on this, those comments only further the suspicion that they don't know what they're doing here.

I highly doubt that they don't know what they are doing. A better chance is that the TV big wigs are getting them to test the waters on any and every different possibility to see what can be gotten away with that could possibly make more money. Many ideas are no brainers to us for getting shot down but corporate america doesn't live in the common sense world. They push the boundaries like no other. They will want the for sure answer rather than "that won't fly with the NCAA."

This is probably the NCAA saying loudly -- we don't care how many teams your conference has, you only get one bid to all of our championships (all sports but football, where they're whispering we're not rewriting rules to go over 16 members).