According to McMurphy's blog the 2 conferences are still working things out, but may be 2 divisions with conference qualities. Don't ask me, I'm just reporting.
Awfully far along in the process to be working with a blank canvas.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...early-june
They have been on a blank canvas the whole time. Half the people on this board knew they would never get approved for some of their ideas.
(03-26-2012 05:26 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote: [ -> ]They have been on a blank canvas the whole time. Half the people on this board knew they would never get approved for some of their ideas.
@ RED
Not so sure on that one....I think they know who they are looking at to add in terms of expansion... I think the logistics of making what they are proposing work is where they are in uncharted territory.
@ Bold
TRUE DAT.
What might work is this:
MWC - without football
CUSA - without football
Alliance League - only contains football
The NCAA would not officially recognize the Alliance League as a voting FBS conference, but it could still likely have a championship game.
(03-26-2012 05:32 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]What might work is this:
MWC - without football
CUSA - without football
Alliance League - only contains football
The NCAA would not officially recognize the Alliance League as a voting FBS conference, but it could still likely have a championship game.
Don't think the MWC and CUSA TV partners would agree with that in the least. And would sue to stop that from happening.
I am wondering if there is a possibility the best teams for each conference (And perhaps the Sunbelt and WAC as well), will just pick the best 14 and roll with it? At least the traditional non-powers are not hurting the RPI and TV ratings.
That is not the conventional way of thinking and in a way it is wrong but at this point does it matter? People will watch ECU and Southern Miss and Fresno in football. I am not sure they are watching UAB, New Mexico, and Rice.
(03-26-2012 05:34 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2012 05:32 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]What might work is this:
MWC - without football
CUSA - without football
Alliance League - only contains football
The NCAA would not officially recognize the Alliance League as a voting FBS conference, but it could still likely have a championship game.
Don't think the MWC and CUSA TV partners would agree with that in the least. And would sue to stop that from happening.
Depends on how the contracts were written. The WACs ESPN contract is not forcing Boise St football to participate inthe WAC.
I just want them to do something this alliance news is getting annoying and inconsistent. At least just hurry up and tell La Tech no so we can get on with our lives.
(03-26-2012 05:57 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2012 05:34 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2012 05:32 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]What might work is this:
MWC - without football
CUSA - without football
Alliance League - only contains football
The NCAA would not officially recognize the Alliance League as a voting FBS conference, but it could still likely have a championship game.
Don't think the MWC and CUSA TV partners would agree with that in the least. And would sue to stop that from happening.
Depends on how the contracts were written. The WACs ESPN contract is not forcing Boise St football to participate inthe WAC.
That's apples and oranges. Boise left the WAC, then rejoined for non football. Legally I don't think it would stand a chance.
(03-26-2012 05:12 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]According to McMurphy's blog the 2 conferences are still working things out, but may be 2 divisions with conference qualities. Don't ask me, I'm just reporting.
Awfully far along in the process to be working with a blank canvas.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...early-june
Maybe it's just careless speaking, but when the two conference commissioners are saying things like "There may be two independent divisions that both have the quality of conferences" and "It's still a bit of a white canvas", after they've supposedly spent months working on this, those comments only further the suspicion that they don't know what they're doing here.
(03-26-2012 05:32 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]What might work is this:
MWC - without football
CUSA - without football
Alliance League - only contains football
The NCAA would not officially recognize the Alliance League as a voting FBS conference, but it could still likely have a championship game.
I agree that the NCAA would not recognize the league as there is no provision in NCAA rules for a football-only conference at the FBS level. The question is whether the BCS would recognize or grant membership to such a non-NCAA league. My guess is no. Why share the pie with a group of schools that aren't having to play by the same rules?
(03-26-2012 06:06 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2012 05:12 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]According to McMurphy's blog the 2 conferences are still working things out, but may be 2 divisions with conference qualities. Don't ask me, I'm just reporting.
Awfully far along in the process to be working with a blank canvas.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...early-june
Maybe it's just careless speaking, but when the two conference commissioners are saying things like "There may be two independent divisions that both have the quality of conferences" and "It's still a bit of a white canvas", after they've supposedly spent months working on this, those comments only further the suspicion that they don't know what they're doing here.
I suspect it's a matter of encountering more obstacles than they expected in devising a model that would allow them to have their cake (NCAA credits and exit fees) and eat it too (free up their TV rights for open bidding).
If the MWC remains separate and tries to get back to 8 full members (required under FBS rules), my guess is they invite just Utah State.
MWC - Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV, Utah State, Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, Hawaii (football only)
WAC - Seattle*, San Jose State, Idaho, Boise State*, Denver*, New Mexico State, UTSA, Texas State, UTA*, Louisiana Tech
The WAC would need 2 full members playing FBS football in short order to remain a viable FBS entity, which would likely be an ill-prepared Lamar and Sam Houston State.
If Air Force leaves to play Big East Football, the MWC invites San Jose State as a full member (which makes sense with Fresno State), but the WAC could get the rest of Air Force's programs.
(03-26-2012 06:31 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2012 05:32 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]What might work is this:
MWC - without football
CUSA - without football
Alliance League - only contains football
The NCAA would not officially recognize the Alliance League as a voting FBS conference, but it could still likely have a championship game.
I agree that the NCAA would not recognize the league as there is no provision in NCAA rules for a football-only conference at the FBS level. The question is whether the BCS would recognize or grant membership to such a non-NCAA league. My guess is no. Why share the pie with a group of schools that aren't having to play by the same rules?
The way to do that, if that's what they want, is to make the MWC a non-football Division I conference and make all of the MWC FB teams FB-only members of CUSA.
But if we stayed two conferences we'd have to add more mouths like SJSU and USU which don't bring much to the table and would be in the MWC/Alliance. Why not just stay at 16 and have less mouths to feed while being an all sports FBS CUSA conference?
(03-26-2012 06:51 PM)chargeradio Wrote: [ -> ]If the MWC remains separate and tries to get back to 8 full members (required under FBS rules), my guess is they invite just Utah State.
MWC - Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV, Utah State, Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, Hawaii (football only)
WAC - Seattle*, San Jose State, Idaho, Boise State*, Denver*, New Mexico State, UTSA, Texas State, UTA*, Louisiana Tech
The WAC would need 2 full members playing FBS football in short order to remain a viable FBS entity, which would likely be an ill-prepared Lamar and Sam Houston State.
If Air Force leaves to play Big East Football, the MWC invites San Jose State as a full member (which makes sense with Fresno State), but the WAC could get the rest of Air Force's programs.
IMO the WAC would be better off inviting NDSU & UND as full members. NDSU won the FCS title and draws well over 18K in their indoor football stadium. UND finished #21 in the final FCS poll and they play in a 15K indoor football stadium. This would also get the WAC into a new region( the Upper Midwest ) and grow their fanbase significantly as there are thousands of NDSU & UND fans in Minneapolis. The conference would have teams in California, the Intermountain States, Texas the Southeast (LaTech) and the Upper Midwest. Putting 2 more teams in the Central time zone would be big for LaTech & the Texas programs.
(03-26-2012 07:18 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote: [ -> ]But if we stayed two conferences we'd have to add more mouths like SJSU and USU which don't bring much to the table and would be in the MWC/Alliance. Why not just stay at 16 and have less mouths to feed while being an all sports FBS CUSA conference?
Two separate conferences means two autobids to NCAA tournaments in all sports instead of just one.
Two separate conferences means that the MWC gets to keep its NCAA hoops money and the Boise and SDSU exit fees instead of flushing all that money down the toilet.
Two separate conferences allows the MWC schools to easily say, "Changed our minds, g'bye" if Boise and SDSU end up not joining BE football.
(03-26-2012 07:38 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2012 07:18 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote: [ -> ]But if we stayed two conferences we'd have to add more mouths like SJSU and USU which don't bring much to the table and would be in the MWC/Alliance. Why not just stay at 16 and have less mouths to feed while being an all sports FBS CUSA conference?
Two separate conferences means two autobids to NCAA tournaments in all sports instead of just one.
Two separate conferences means that the MWC gets to keep its NCAA hoops money and the Boise and SDSU exit fees instead of flushing all that money down the toilet.
Two separate conferences allows the MWC schools to easily say, "Changed our minds, g'bye" if Boise and SDSU end up not joining BE football.
AQ is the most overblown thing. CSU, UNM, UNLV, S.Miss would have all got in w/ 2 AQs or just 1. Why would we change our minds and merge w/ the WAc or them w/ the SBC when we are strongest merging MWC/CUSA. You really think BSU would change their minds now? If they are happy in a GWC/WAC and fb in the BE, why comeback to a MWC minus the CUSA?
Losing exit fees and credits is a small price to pay for a better/stronger conference in the long run.
(03-26-2012 07:36 PM)onlinepole Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2012 06:51 PM)chargeradio Wrote: [ -> ]If the MWC remains separate and tries to get back to 8 full members (required under FBS rules), my guess is they invite just Utah State.
MWC - Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV, Utah State, Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, Hawaii (football only)
WAC - Seattle*, San Jose State, Idaho, Boise State*, Denver*, New Mexico State, UTSA, Texas State, UTA*, Louisiana Tech
The WAC would need 2 full members playing FBS football in short order to remain a viable FBS entity, which would likely be an ill-prepared Lamar and Sam Houston State.
If Air Force leaves to play Big East Football, the MWC invites San Jose State as a full member (which makes sense with Fresno State), but the WAC could get the rest of Air Force's programs.
IMO the WAC would be better off inviting NDSU & UND as full members. NDSU won the FCS title and draws well over 18K in their indoor football stadium. UND finished #21 in the final FCS poll and they play in a 15K indoor football stadium. This would also get the WAC into a new region( the Upper Midwest ) and grow their fanbase significantly as there are thousands of NDSU & UND fans in Minneapolis. The conference would have teams in California, the Intermountain States, Texas the Southeast (LaTech) and the Upper Midwest. Putting 2 more teams in the Central time zone would be big for LaTech & the Texas programs.
The Montana schools would need to take the plunge before ND schools would consider following. That said, the dream of ND schools has always been a northern tier conference/division with Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and possibly the South Dakota schools (Wyoming is just too far ahead athletically). Distance and finances were always the issues in the past, but finances are much less of a concern now.
(03-26-2012 07:46 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2012 07:38 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2012 07:18 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote: [ -> ]But if we stayed two conferences we'd have to add more mouths like SJSU and USU which don't bring much to the table and would be in the MWC/Alliance. Why not just stay at 16 and have less mouths to feed while being an all sports FBS CUSA conference?
Two separate conferences means two autobids to NCAA tournaments in all sports instead of just one.
Two separate conferences means that the MWC gets to keep its NCAA hoops money and the Boise and SDSU exit fees instead of flushing all that money down the toilet.
Two separate conferences allows the MWC schools to easily say, "Changed our minds, g'bye" if Boise and SDSU end up not joining BE football.
AQ is the most overblown thing. CSU, UNM, UNLV, S.Miss would have all got in w/ 2 AQs or just 1. Why would we change our minds and merge w/ the WAc or them w/ the SBC when we are strongest merging MWC/CUSA. You really think BSU would change their minds now? If they are happy in a GWC/WAC and fb in the BE, why comeback to a MWC minus the CUSA?
Losing exit fees and credits is a small price to pay for a better/stronger conference in the long run.
The argument can rightfully be made that with CUSA losing Memphis (and UCF, Houston, SMU), that CUSA schools will see a significant drop in RPI. During many recent years, Memphis has been the only school that would have received a at-large bid if no auto bid was available. For the MWC, the presence of BYU and Utah was also a major historical help with RPI. The MWC had a lot more depth - SDSU (now gone), UNM, and UNLV - but if there was interdivisional play, the MWC's RPI would also drop.