(02-08-2012 10:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I agree. And IMO it thus represents a big step back for us, since football must be our primary consideration.

Um, football clearly has been the consideration. Did you miss all of the other expansion moves with the Big East? Or do they no longer exist?

At some point you also need to address the basketball power that will be lost. Memphis is good for that plus their football program can just as easily have a pulse again like they did just a few short years ago. I'm sure the BE wanted a clear plan on how football will be addressed by Memphis before any invites went out or were finalized.

(02-08-2012 12:05 PM)broncodude Wrote:  Boise State and San Diego are becoming outliers, we both were asking for more western schools to be added, nope.
Kinda makes us wonder who is next. the closest BE team to Boise is SDSU, over a thousand miles away. Please look
at Nevada, Fresno, UNLV, UNM or Colorado State if you want more teams. We need the BE to go to 16 teams with two
divisions and a play off,, just to be fair.

GO BRONCOS

I understand why you and SD want this and I don't blame you, but why would any of the 13 BE schools that are staying want this?

Nothing is done just to be fair.

While quo vadis has all these concerns................

I think the major concern to all here should be why a fan of USF, who we've been just as good as historically and head to head and a fan of Georgetown, who doesn't even play FB in the BE, has such a hard time understanding the "potential" of Memphis being as good or better than USF in the first few years. LOL

A USF fan talking smack? Now that is funny! Memphis is located in one of the top recruiting grounds in the country, and not being in a BCS conference killed us. Our AD did everything Cal wanted, and forgot about football but that has changed over the last 3 years. You are about to see even more money being pumped into football.

SDSU fan.....you're funny too

We went to 5 bowl games in 7 years and the Liberty Bowl had approx. 50,000 per game and thats while playing in CUSA.

USF president Judy Genshaft: "We have every confidence in Memphis' ability to build a solid football program in the BIG EAST Conference."

Commissioner John Marinatto: "There is no question that Memphis has built a foundation for future success for each of its programs."

(02-08-2012 12:12 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 12:05 PM)broncodude Wrote:  Boise State and San Diego are becoming outliers, we both were asking for more western schools to be added, nope.
Kinda makes us wonder who is next. the closest BE team to Boise is SDSU, over a thousand miles away. Please look
at Nevada, Fresno, UNLV, UNM or Colorado State if you want more teams. We need the BE to go to 16 teams with two
divisions and a play off,, just to be fair.

GO BRONCOS

As much as Boise State and SDSU may want at "western" partner, it will not come from the "west" unless it's Air Force or BYU. This is what I KNOW. . . Nevada, UNLV, Fresno, New Mexico, etc. will not be a part of the new Big East in football or all sports. The only exception is possibly SJSU and interestingly, St. Mary's College (just on a list of possibilities) in BB/Olympic Sports if BYU is added in all sports.

See that above list is "HORRIBLE". All of them would be Football Only members.....

The whole problem with the MWC and WAC was not the top.....BUT THE BOTTOM. You just got out.....so why on earth would you want to bring the BOTTOM with you and water down your paycheck. At least Memphis adds value to the overall TV contract because of the BB they bring.

The point about SJSU is interesting, being ahead of Fresno State because while Fresno is better on the field than SJSU.....they are in a smaller market. I think the BSU and SDSU fans need to look at ECU or USM a little more. Those programs "football wise" are heads and tails 10x better than anything the lower level MWC/WAC schools can offer.....so why aren't they being considered? Market, location. The only school that has risen above that IS Boise State.

(02-08-2012 11:28 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 11:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:50 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:39 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  You've obviously never been to Mississippi before. The Memphis campus is 5 miles from the state that puts more players in the NFL than any other per capita and we only have to fight two programs that havent won the SEC since segregation and USM. We don't have to worry the entire Pac-12 like SDSU, or the entire Big 12 like Houston or SMU ...

er, do you seriously think that SEC schools like Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, and LSU aren't aware of the talent in Mississippi?

Alabama is about 30 miles from the Mississippi border, LSU is about 40 miles from the Mississippi border. All those powerful SEC schools are very close by geographically and recruit their regularly.

How Memphis is going to recruit effectively in that environment is beyond me.

Ugh....there are 2 tiers of recruiting in the South. There is who Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and Georgia want and then there is everyone else. No one is recruiting the tier of those schools.

However, the 50 other FBS caliber players that come out of that state every year are basically between Ole Miss, MSU, USM, and Memphis for the most part with battles against Arkansas on occasion.

... and how is Memphis going to recruit against those schools?

We've recruited against those schools for 100 years. For many stretches(50s, 60s, 70s, early 80s, early 2000s) very successfully despite the disadvantages placed against us.

You seriously think some 3-star kid is going to pick Memphis when he can play in the SEC? It beggars belief.

(02-08-2012 02:04 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  While quo vadis has all these concerns................

I think the major concern to all here should be why a fan of USF, who we've been just as good as historically and head to head and a fan of Georgetown, who doesn't even play FB in the BE, has such a hard time understanding the "potential" of Memphis being as good or better than USF in the first few years. LOL

Gonna have to stop you there. She's not an actual Georgetown fan. Didn't attend the school, didn't live in the area, has never been to a game. It's like me claiming I'm an Alabama fan or somesuch. Very few Georgetown fans I've encountered have any issue with these moves, and most issues (anecdotally speaking) pertain to the western programs as well as the impending loss of Syracuse and Pitt.

(02-08-2012 10:39 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

Quote:SDSU, Houston, SMU, UCF, and USF reside is the most fertile recruiting grounds in the nation.

You've obviously never been to Mississippi before. The Memphis campus is 5 miles from the state that puts more players in the NFL than any other per capita and we only have to fight two programs that havent won the SEC since segregation and USM. We don't have to worry the entire Pac-12 like SDSU, or the entire Big 12 like Houston or SMU, or every other team in the country like UCF and USF. With a stick in the fight, our recruiting will be fine.

Quote:Also have more recent history of success and almost all have nicer facilities.

SDSU has had 3 winning seasons in the last 20 years. I think we can beat that. It wasnt that long ago where we were regularly beating the hell out of Houston ans SMU. We just cant seem to beat UCF....ugh.

As far as facilities, ours are nicer than Houstons and, from what I've seen on-line, SDSUs. SMUs new stadium is nice though.

Quote:Also Boise hasn't had recent success. We have had 5 losing seasons in the last 43 years.

No one can deny Boise St's success. They are a great program. However, don't start bringing in records from D1AA and JC seasons. It diminishes what the program has achieved.

Preach on!

(02-08-2012 12:34 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  I think it's pretty obvious on the Big East website that this move was 100 percent about basketball and had NOTHING to do with football potential, bowl games, etc. There is ZERO mention of football in the 5 Things to Know About Memphis posted by the Big East this morning on the website in advance of the teleconference:

Good post UH. It's a basketball move by a conference already strong in basketball but starving for football credibility.

(02-08-2012 03:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 11:28 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 11:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:50 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  er, do you seriously think that SEC schools like Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, and LSU aren't aware of the talent in Mississippi?

Alabama is about 30 miles from the Mississippi border, LSU is about 40 miles from the Mississippi border. All those powerful SEC schools are very close by geographically and recruit their regularly.

How Memphis is going to recruit effectively in that environment is beyond me.

Ugh....there are 2 tiers of recruiting in the South. There is who Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and Georgia want and then there is everyone else. No one is recruiting the tier of those schools.

However, the 50 other FBS caliber players that come out of that state every year are basically between Ole Miss, MSU, USM, and Memphis for the most part with battles against Arkansas on occasion.

... and how is Memphis going to recruit against those schools?

We've recruited against those schools for 100 years. For many stretches(50s, 60s, 70s, early 80s, early 2000s) very successfully despite the disadvantages placed against us.

You seriously think some 3-star kid is going to pick Memphis when he can play in the SEC? It beggars belief.

Haha....go look at our recruits offer list from the last 3 years.

(02-08-2012 03:35 PM)CD11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:04 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  While quo vadis has all these concerns................

I think the major concern to all here should be why a fan of USF, who we've been just as good as historically and head to head and a fan of Georgetown, who doesn't even play FB in the BE, has such a hard time understanding the "potential" of Memphis being as good or better than USF in the first few years. LOL

Gonna have to stop you there. She's not an actual Georgetown fan. Didn't attend the school, didn't live in the area, has never been to a game. It's like me claiming I'm an Alabama fan or somesuch. Very few Georgetown fans I've encountered have any issue with these moves, and most issues (anecdotally speaking) pertain to the western programs as well as the impending loss of Syracuse and Pitt.

I attended my first Georgetown game in 1978. How about you?

(02-08-2012 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 12:34 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  I think it's pretty obvious on the Big East website that this move was 100 percent about basketball and had NOTHING to do with football potential, bowl games, etc. There is ZERO mention of football in the 5 Things to Know About Memphis posted by the Big East this morning on the website in advance of the teleconference:

Good post UH. It's a basketball move by a conference already strong in basketball but starving for football credibility.

Commissioner John Marinatto: "There is no question that Memphis has built a foundation for future success for each of its programs."

USF president Judy Genshaft: "We have every confidence in Memphis' ability to build a solid football program in the BIG EAST Conference."

It's been said that academics, commitment to football and facilities and geography were the three major reasons behind the invite. But, believe what you want. I'm sure the people in charge don't know or are just lying to make us feel better.

(02-08-2012 03:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 03:35 PM)CD11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:04 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  While quo vadis has all these concerns................

I think the major concern to all here should be why a fan of USF, who we've been just as good as historically and head to head and a fan of Georgetown, who doesn't even play FB in the BE, has such a hard time understanding the "potential" of Memphis being as good or better than USF in the first few years. LOL

Gonna have to stop you there. She's not an actual Georgetown fan. Didn't attend the school, didn't live in the area, has never been to a game. It's like me claiming I'm an Alabama fan or somesuch. Very few Georgetown fans I've encountered have any issue with these moves, and most issues (anecdotally speaking) pertain to the western programs as well as the impending loss of Syracuse and Pitt.

I attended my first Georgetown game in 1978. How about you?

I bet you did, sweetie. I bet you did.

I attended my first game in 1933 or something. Boom!

But seriously. I know USF doesn't want to claim you as one of its own, but that doesn't mean you need to leech onto Georgetown's good name to save face.

(02-08-2012 03:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 11:28 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 11:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:50 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  er, do you seriously think that SEC schools like Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, and LSU aren't aware of the talent in Mississippi?

Alabama is about 30 miles from the Mississippi border, LSU is about 40 miles from the Mississippi border. All those powerful SEC schools are very close by geographically and recruit their regularly.

How Memphis is going to recruit effectively in that environment is beyond me.

Ugh....there are 2 tiers of recruiting in the South. There is who Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and Georgia want and then there is everyone else. No one is recruiting the tier of those schools.

However, the 50 other FBS caliber players that come out of that state every year are basically between Ole Miss, MSU, USM, and Memphis for the most part with battles against Arkansas on occasion.

... and how is Memphis going to recruit against those schools?

We've recruited against those schools for 100 years. For many stretches(50s, 60s, 70s, early 80s, early 2000s) very successfully despite the disadvantages placed against us.

You seriously think some 3-star kid is going to pick Memphis when he can play in the SEC? It beggars belief.

That would be a big surprise to the 11 3-star players we picked up this year. And the 17 we signed last year. All while sitting near the bottom of CUSA.

We'll do a lot better than that in the Big East.

(02-08-2012 12:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What does Memphis bring to the table? Nothing i can think of. Sure, they add a little to our basketball, but basketball isn't our problem. Football is, and Memphis football is dreadful.

And how is Memphis football ever going to get better? Memphis is located smack-dab in the middle of SEC country. Where will they recruit from? Any good recruits in their area will get vacuumed up by one of the *5* SEC programs within half a day's driving distance of Memphis.

The weakest AQ football conference goes out and adds a TERRIBLE football program? This move is just crazy.

TigerShark2, is that you?

(02-08-2012 03:42 PM)CD11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 03:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 03:35 PM)CD11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:04 PM)BIGGESTTIGERJLB Wrote:  While quo vadis has all these concerns................

I think the major concern to all here should be why a fan of USF, who we've been just as good as historically and head to head and a fan of Georgetown, who doesn't even play FB in the BE, has such a hard time understanding the "potential" of Memphis being as good or better than USF in the first few years. LOL

Gonna have to stop you there. She's not an actual Georgetown fan. Didn't attend the school, didn't live in the area, has never been to a game. It's like me claiming I'm an Alabama fan or somesuch. Very few Georgetown fans I've encountered have any issue with these moves, and most issues (anecdotally speaking) pertain to the western programs as well as the impending loss of Syracuse and Pitt.

I attended my first Georgetown game in 1978. How about you?

I bet you did, sweetie. I bet you did.

I attended my first game in 1933 or something. Boom!

But seriously. I know USF doesn't want to claim you as one of its own, but that doesn't mean you need to leech onto Georgetown's good name to save face.

BAZINGA!!!!

(02-08-2012 03:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 11:28 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 11:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:50 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  er, do you seriously think that SEC schools like Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, and LSU aren't aware of the talent in Mississippi?

Alabama is about 30 miles from the Mississippi border, LSU is about 40 miles from the Mississippi border. All those powerful SEC schools are very close by geographically and recruit their regularly.

How Memphis is going to recruit effectively in that environment is beyond me.

Ugh....there are 2 tiers of recruiting in the South. There is who Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and Georgia want and then there is everyone else. No one is recruiting the tier of those schools.

However, the 50 other FBS caliber players that come out of that state every year are basically between Ole Miss, MSU, USM, and Memphis for the most part with battles against Arkansas on occasion.

... and how is Memphis going to recruit against those schools?

We've recruited against those schools for 100 years. For many stretches(50s, 60s, 70s, early 80s, early 2000s) very successfully despite the disadvantages placed against us.

You seriously think some 3-star kid is going to pick Memphis when he can play in the SEC? It beggars belief.

Absolutely, a three star in Memphis will get playing time on national TV now, whereas the same three star would be riding the bench in the SEC. The one thing in the past we haven't been able to offer them is exposure because our TV contract was...not the best. Look, no one is under the illusion that Memphis is going to go undefeated all of a sudden, but this dead on arrival crap it pathetic and uncalled for. The Big East insisted we give them a plan on how to improve, we did and here we are. Millions of dollars of private funds are going into the program to make it viable, all we're asking for is you at least give us a bit of breathing room while we right the ship before you decide to sink it.