(02-08-2012 09:14 AM)donrose Wrote:  Quo:
In addition to the Liberty Bowl, FedEx is the sponsor of the Orange bowl. If the BCS system is destroyed, the big BCS bowls will wrap up tie-ins with specific conferences. This could be a brilliant move to tie the Big East to the FEDEX orange Bowl.

I don't see what is so hard to understand about this move.

donrose, do you seriously think the Orange Bowl is going to tie-in with the Big East under any circumstances? The ACC-Big East games have nearly killed off the OB as a major bowl, they hate the current arrangement and would never have selected any of the Big East teams that have played in that game since 2004 if they had had any choice in the matter.

What i don't understand about the move is how Memphis helps out our football. We need football help, and their football program is terrible. This will not help us with the networks, or the other AQ conferences.

(02-08-2012 09:11 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 08:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 08:39 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  ... we had access to Liberty bowl due to the rules about who goes. I can't quote the rule but we got in due to a rare situation of win/losses and bowl eligibility. It's not like the Liberty bowl looked around and said, "Eh, ef it, let's just take ummmm....cincy vs vandy"

We go to the Liberty Bowl if the SEC cannot fill all its bowl obligations, and since the SEC has 10 bowls, that will happen reasonably frequently. It has already happened once in the two years the arrangement has been in place.

With SEC having 2 more teams, the odds of them not filling their 9 bowls(10 if they get BCS) are slim to none.

I agree that my assessment didn't factor in the two new SEC teams - thanks for pointing that out. Still, 10 is a lot of slots to fill, even for a 14-team conference.

(02-08-2012 09:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What i don't understand about the move is how Memphis helps out our football.

Sorry to hear that...but I don't think anyone at the Big East HQ is really all that concerned that you don't understand. (One could simply state that adding Memphis would help the Big East host a very profitable conf championship game...but most realize any response back to you will be met with ridicule).

(02-08-2012 09:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  donrose, do you seriously think the Orange Bowl is going to tie-in with the Big East under any circumstances? The ACC-Big East games have nearly killed off the OB as a major bowl, they hate the current arrangement and would never have selected any of the Big East teams that have played in that game since 2004 if they had had any choice in the matter.

I do think having FedEX as a benefactor is a good idea, regardless of what you think the OB officials think.

This is clearly a move to pacify the basketball schools and bring another good market. I wonder if this was also a move to pacify Louisville as well?

It doesn't help football immediately, Quo. But the conference feels like it has bolstered the football side well enough that it's time to add a basketball power. The Big East, whether you like it or not, cares about basketball. Basketball makes the Big East money, all winter and into the spring. It's not a dead weight time filler, it's a lucrative part of what the Big East does.

With that said, we all hope that Memphis, who has been to five bowl games in the last decade, can regain competitiveness with the extra money, and exposure they are about to receive.

There is also something to be said for adding all sports members that want to be in the league. We need members that want to be here. We need members that will grow with the New Big East. We've been gashed by the departures of most of our original football members. We can't just flick the switch and fix it all immediately. Some of the additions must be made on the potential they have. Memphis is one of those additions.

(02-08-2012 09:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 09:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What i don't understand about the move is how Memphis helps out our football.

Sorry to hear that...but I don't think anyone at the Big East HQ is really all that concerned that you don't understand. (One could simply state that adding Memphis would help the Big East host a very profitable conf championship game...but most realize any response back to you will be met with ridicule).

I will "ridicule" that response because it doesn't make much sense. Why? Because it would be true of any 12th team we add, and thus isn't an argument for adding Memphis.

(02-08-2012 10:00 AM)k5james Wrote:  This is clearly a move to pacify the basketball schools and bring another good market. I wonder if this was also a move to pacify Louisville as well?

I agree. And IMO it thus represents a big step back for us, since football must be our primary consideration.

The possibility is there. Learn some history:

http://www.gotigersgo.com/sports/m-footb...04aab.html


Memphis should've been added during the Deangelo William days (see link above). Big East could've added Memphis when the team was thriving in fball and rolling in bball under Cal. Big East probably wouldn't be in the position they're in now with teams scrambling to find a "mega" conference for stability.

(02-08-2012 10:03 AM)NutmegStateofMind Wrote:  It doesn't help football immediately, Quo. But the conference feels like it has bolstered the football side well enough that it's time to add a basketball power. The Big East, whether you like it or not, cares about basketball. Basketball makes the Big East money, all winter and into the spring. It's not a dead weight time filler, it's a lucrative part of what the Big East does.

I've been a Big East fan since 1979, and that's because of basketball. To me, the Big East was best when it was all about basketball, before it got football fever and invited Miami twenty years ago.

That said, the reality today is that football drives the bus for every major conference. Big East basketball is fine, even without Syracuse. There was no need to upgrade it, particularly at the cost of damaging our already-poor football profile.

http://www.totalfootballstats.com/Team_C...eason=2004

Memphis not only is capable of beating Ole Miss, Memphis also gave Houston a 41-14 drubbing and whacked ECU, Arkie State, & Southern Miss. Heck, Houston WAS the Larry Porter Memphis in 2004.

The potential is there, and with Fuentes on board I can see it coming to fruition.

Pacify louv
I was thinking replace louv

I don't agree that Big East basketball is fine with the subtractions of Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia. We need to strengthen the basketball league. I'd like to see Temple added for that same reason.

Add Temple for all sports and Air Force for football only, and put a bow on this thing.

(02-08-2012 10:20 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  http://www.totalfootballstats.com/Team_C...eason=2004

Memphis not only is capable of beating Ole Miss, Memphis also gave Houston a 41-14 drubbing and whacked ECU, Arkie State, & Southern Miss. Heck, Houston WAS the Larry Porter Memphis in 2004.

The potential is there, and with Fuentes on board I can see it coming to fruition.

Talk to us when you do. SDSU doesn't have much of a profile historically but at least our football is trending upwards...

When did South Florida become this football giant, sure you beat us in a bowl a few years back when we were on a downswing. We made bowl games in 5 out of 6 years and had a Heisman trophy candidate with DeAngelo while routinely drawing 45-50k to our games. With the new conference and the enthusiam and dollars it will bring you will se shortly what type of program Memphis can be.

You people kill me that forget where you were just a few short years ago, And as far as hoops go, have ya'll won a Big East game yet?? Our backups could beat you by 10 this year.

I LOVE smack talk amongst future conference mates.

Much better than smack talk toward wannabe interlopers (which we were until yesterday). I don't think there is anything anybody can say about Memphis today that won't make me smile.

Quote:SDSU, Houston, SMU, UCF, and USF reside is the most fertile recruiting grounds in the nation.

You've obviously never been to Mississippi before. The Memphis campus is 5 miles from the state that puts more players in the NFL than any other per capita and we only have to fight two programs that havent won the SEC since segregation and USM. We don't have to worry the entire Pac-12 like SDSU, or the entire Big 12 like Houston or SMU, or every other team in the country like UCF and USF. With a stick in the fight, our recruiting will be fine.

Quote:Also have more recent history of success and almost all have nicer facilities.

SDSU has had 3 winning seasons in the last 20 years. I think we can beat that. It wasnt that long ago where we were regularly beating the hell out of Houston ans SMU. We just cant seem to beat UCF....ugh.

As far as facilities, ours are nicer than Houstons and, from what I've seen on-line, SDSUs. SMUs new stadium is nice though.

Quote:Also Boise hasn't had recent success. We have had 5 losing seasons in the last 43 years.

No one can deny Boise St's success. They are a great program. However, don't start bringing in records from D1AA and JC seasons. It diminishes what the program has achieved.

(02-08-2012 10:22 AM)NutmegStateofMind Wrote:  I don't agree that Big East basketball is fine with the subtractions of Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia. We need to strengthen the basketball league. I'd like to see Temple added for that same reason.

Add Temple for all sports and Air Force for football only, and put a bow on this thing.

I concur.

(02-08-2012 10:23 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  When did South Florida become this football giant, sure you beat us in a bowl a few years back when we were on a downswing.

That's just the point: USF is NOT a football giant, not by any means. Over the past 8 seasons we are, on average, a 50s-ranked Sagarain program, mediocre by FBS standards, sub-par by AQ standards.

And yet, we squashed you by 27 in a bowl game and are FAR better than you.

The last thing Big East football needs to be doing is adding programs that are clearly far inferior to my USF.

(02-08-2012 10:39 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

Quote:SDSU, Houston, SMU, UCF, and USF reside is the most fertile recruiting grounds in the nation.

You've obviously never been to Mississippi before. The Memphis campus is 5 miles from the state that puts more players in the NFL than any other per capita and we only have to fight two programs that havent won the SEC since segregation and USM. We don't have to worry the entire Pac-12 like SDSU, or the entire Big 12 like Houston or SMU ...

er, do you seriously think that SEC schools like Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, and LSU aren't aware of the talent in Mississippi?

Alabama is about 30 miles from the Mississippi border, LSU is about 40 miles from the Mississippi border. All those powerful SEC schools are very close by geographically and recruit their regularly. Did you see "the Blindside"? Michael Oher, a big talent from Mississippi, chose from among three schools: LSU, Ole Miss, and Tennessee. That's the way it is with Mississippi talent.

How Memphis is going to recruit effectively in that environment is beyond me.