The show-cause on Tressel is extremely weak.

First season: Tressel must miss first five games, team barred from bowl game.
After that, the school must file a progress report with the NCAA every six months until the penalty is up.

That's it. A one-year bowl ban doesn't really hurt anything, as Urban Meyer is showing at OSU. Missing the first five games? At a BCS school, four of those are cupcakes that you don't really need to coach anyway.

It's worth the risk. Normally show-causes contain much harsher penalties that effectively bar a coach from ever being hired again, but this one is very weak.

(02-03-2012 11:26 AM)El Grande Flippero Wrote:  Akron's beginning to remind of the roster the Syracuse Bulldogs compiled for their Federal League title game against the Chiefs in Slapshot. All that's left is to hire Clarence "Screaming Buffalo" Swamptown as assitant AD and Ogey Ogelthorpe as director of Marketing

(02-03-2012 05:44 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  The show-cause on Tressel is extremely weak.
Really? List specifically how it’s weaker than any other show cause.

First season: Tressel must miss first five games, team barred from bowl game.
After that, the school must file a progress report with the NCAA every six months until the penalty is up.
True. Which in Tressel’s case, it means Akron must file the report every six months until 2016.

That's it. A one-year bowl ban doesn't really hurt anything, as Urban Meyer is showing at OSU. Missing the first five games? At a BCS school, four of those are cupcakes that you don't really need to coach anyway.
Yes, because OSU fired the problem. They are out of the woods. Akron hired the problem. They are not out of the woods.

It's worth the risk. Normally show-causes contain much harsher penalties that effectively bar a coach from ever being hired again, but this one is very weak.

Let’s try again. If you state Tressel’s show cause restrictions are “weaker”, you have the burden to show it. From what I read, he has the same pain as anyone else hit with this penalty.

Quote:The former head coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes, Tressel was forced to resign three months before the start of the 2011 season for lying to the NCAA about student athletes receiving tattoos and cash for signed memorabilia. According to the NCAA, he had four chances to tell the truth and failed to do so. For this, he was given a five-year show-cause penalty (until December 19, 2016).[2]

Source: Wikipedia.

Show cause is a NCAA penalty with severe restrictions for a period of time. The reason why most coaches hit with the penalty don’t coach again is that if they violate any NCAA regulation, they and their programs risk being banned for life. In this case, it’s Akron's risk to be banned for life, not OSU. Just like when we hired Sendy back with a show cause. Ramifications were our problem, not Indiana’s. It’s got nothing to do with a show cause being “weaker” or “stronger”; most schools don’t want the risk.

We hired Rob Senderoff back as an assistant with a show cause penalty, even though the NCAA changed the rules and his violation wouldn’t even have been a violation now. Still, he had to live with the compliance officer in his shadow for about 18 months and faced severe oversight. The only thing that lifted Rob’s show cause is that time ran out. Akron U. has four more years.

But, hey, go ahead and think Tressel’s show cause is “weaker” and the NCAA won’t notice much. Just understand the folks in Indy don’t drink the same Kool Aid.

OK. First let's look at Bruce Pearl's show-cause as a comparison to Tressel's. Pearl is banned from recruiting for three years, should someone hire him. Tressel is allowed to recruit if he becomes a coach. He can do everything but coach the first five games of his first season. Tressel's penalty has less of an impact on any school hiring him.

Also, the part where you claim that Akron has to file with the NCAA? It's complete BS. Akron doesn't have to do jack sh*t for the NCAA because of this and no penalties will be assessed. Jim Tressel was not hired in any capacity that would evoke the show-cause penalty.

I don't think you understand in the least how stuff like this actually works.

(02-04-2012 12:21 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  OK. First let's look at Bruce Pearl's show-cause as a comparison to Tressel's. Pearl is banned from recruiting for three years, should someone hire him. Tressel is allowed to recruit if he becomes a coach. He can do everything but coach the first five games of his first season. Tressel's penalty has less of an impact on any school hiring him.

Also, the part where you claim that Akron has to file with the NCAA? It's complete BS. Akron doesn't have to do jack sh*t for the NCAA because of this and no penalties will be assessed. Jim Tressel was not hired in any capacity that would evoke the show-cause penalty.

I don't think you understand in the least how stuff like this actually works.

uakronkid, they understand completely. The rule is, never let the
truth get in the way of taking a shot at your enemy. Here, I will give you
an example. Say, isn't Rob Senderoff the "bag man" who hauled the cash
in plain manila envelopes to Indiana players fathers?

Oh, Senderoff actually was the "bag man" for just one IU player. But,
he never knew what was in the envelopes. (cough, cough)

(02-04-2012 12:21 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  OK. First let's look at Bruce Pearl's show-cause as a comparison to Tressel's. Pearl is banned from recruiting for three years, should someone hire him. Tressel is allowed to recruit if he becomes a coach. He can do everything but coach the first five games of his first season. Tressel's penalty has less of an impact on any school hiring him.

Also, the part where you claim that Akron has to file with the NCAA? It's complete BS. Akron doesn't have to do jack sh*t for the NCAA because of this and no penalties will be assessed. Jim Tressel was not hired in any capacity that would evoke the show-cause penalty.

I don't think you understand in the least how stuff like this actually works.

Please make my dreams come true and tell me you are in the Akron Compliance office. But, assuming they know more, they know this:

Quote:A show-cause penalty is essentially a scarlet letter on a coach’s name for the duration of the penalty. A school that wants to hire Tressel with his show-cause penalty during the next five years faces potential penalties, given that the coach is a noted rulebreaker by the NCAA. That means it's unlikely that a school would take him on in that time frame. Tressel would be 64 when his show-cause penalty expires.

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footbal...z1lTI3yfVY

Jim Tressel has a NCAA show cause penalty for five years. Five years is longer than three years, even with Akron math. That means, until 2016, any school that hires Jim Tressel has to monitor his activities, including recruiting, to show they are not violating his restrictions.

But, don’t believe me. Take it up with the folks in Indy. Or, they’ll take it up with Akron. Either way works for me.

That hires him *as a coach* .. which hasn't happened.

(02-04-2012 09:24 AM)ratfink Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 12:21 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  OK. First let's look at Bruce Pearl's show-cause as a comparison to Tressel's. Pearl is banned from recruiting for three years, should someone hire him. Tressel is allowed to recruit if he becomes a coach. He can do everything but coach the first five games of his first season. Tressel's penalty has less of an impact on any school hiring him.

Also, the part where you claim that Akron has to file with the NCAA? It's complete BS. Akron doesn't have to do jack sh*t for the NCAA because of this and no penalties will be assessed. Jim Tressel was not hired in any capacity that would evoke the show-cause penalty.

I don't think you understand in the least how stuff like this actually works.

uakronkid, they understand completely. The rule is, never let the
truth get in the way of taking a shot at your enemy. Here, I will give you
an example. Say, isn't Rob Senderoff the "bag man" who hauled the cash
in plain manila envelopes to Indiana players fathers?

Oh, Senderoff actually was the "bag man" for just one IU player. But,
he never knew what was in the envelopes. (cough, cough)

Say, Rob Senderoff was neither and the NCAA agrees. Today, Sendy going over the text and call limit wouldn’t even be a violation.

Has your football coach ever cleaned up his outstanding arrest warrants in Alabama?

(02-04-2012 10:42 PM)FlashFan Wrote:  Has your football coach ever cleaned up his outstanding arrest warrants in Alabama?

Yes. Literally hours after they were issued. Of course, if you were only looking for reasons to pour on the hate, I can see how something like this might slip past your notice.

(02-04-2012 10:38 PM)Zip Watcher Wrote:  That hires him *as a coach* .. which hasn't happened.

I’m not the only one that sees this as a slippery slope.

Akron Makes Puzzling Move In Hiring Tressel

(02-04-2012 10:47 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 10:42 PM)FlashFan Wrote:  Has your football coach ever cleaned up his outstanding arrest warrants in Alabama?

Yes. Literally hours after they were issued. Of course, if you were only looking for reasons to pour on the hate, I can see how something like this might slip past your notice.

Yeah, a lawyer gets a ticket and doesn’t show up in court. Only “remembers” when he has an arrest warrant issued.

Do you like all the Kool Aid or have special favorites?

(02-04-2012 10:53 PM)FlashFan Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 10:47 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(02-04-2012 10:42 PM)FlashFan Wrote:  Has your football coach ever cleaned up his outstanding arrest warrants in Alabama?

Yes. Literally hours after they were issued. Of course, if you were only looking for reasons to pour on the hate, I can see how something like this might slip past your notice.

Yeah, a lawyer gets a ticket and doesn’t show up in court. Only “remembers” when he has an arrest warrant issued.

Do you like all the Kool Aid or have special favorites?

If you want to talk about arrest warrants look at your basketball team....

This conversation has gotten ridiculous. He is an administrator at the University and is being asked to engage local corporations to grow partnerships with the University. The hopes are that he can effectively network with these organizations to provide real world experience for the students through co-ops, internships, etc... He is also being asked to raise funds for projects that come about whether they are athletic or college based to better the overall student experience on campus. He is also being asked to engage alumni and get them involved back on campus and with our students.

This conversation should not be about Akron Athletics, Kent Basketball or what happened at OSU. This conversation should be about the University who took a chance on an alumnus where they thought his presence on campus will benefit the students, the University, the community and alumni.

Regarding paying $200K for his services, the ROI was in the positive after the first day. He was the lead story on yahoo for nearly an entire day, he trended on twitter throughout the day, and over 200 articles were written on the subject including articles written for the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Crain's etc..

I was skeptical when I first heard about it, but from what I have seen, the investment has already paid for itself.