I have a feeling 5 years from now Marshall and ASU will be in the same division and it likely will not include the BCS programs.

(01-24-2012 06:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I have a feeling 5 years from now Marshall and ASU will be in the same division and it likely will not include the BCS programs.

Not going to happen. There is no way we are spending millions just to drop back down to 1-AA.

(01-24-2012 06:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I have a feeling 5 years from now Marshall and ASU will be in the same division and it likely will not include the BCS programs.

Marshall isn't spending this kinda money to go back to the SoCon...

Marshall New Projects.....

These aren't just drawings either. Marshall is scheduled to take over the Vertern's Mem. Field house, demolish it and build the soccer stadium.

Plus Hamrick has already stated he wants to replace the Cam Henderson Center. That could still be 7-10 years away but it has already been put out there.

(01-24-2012 11:33 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 08:40 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 10:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If I were them I'd focus on that game as well vs. the 14 losses to ASU in 20 SoCon games. They'd rather discuss a "rivalry" with WVU, a team they have never beaten. Too funny.

C'mon Saint, I like you as a poster. Stop the Jealousy crap. The rivalry with WVU doesn't just spill over in football it goes over to basketball as well. It's a sold out neutral court every year. The last six to seven years in basketball the series has been near even. We won it last year, they won it this year.

Outside of WVU our main rival is probably UCF, and Ohio. So as you can see we have at least three rivalry games a year in football and basketball.

I'm sorry that App State hasn't been on the minds of Marshall fans for probably 20 years now. Nobody cares. Its in the past and over. The only people that care are the older generation of App fans that remember those games. We've moved on. Time for you guys to stop living in the past and do the same as well.

What I'm about to say isn't an attempt to piss off Marshall fans just providing an outsiders opinion and living in Charlotte there are a lot of WVU alums in the area.

How can WVU be your main rival? I know you hate them, but the emotion felt my WVU fans is more of indifference, like a little nagging brother that mom (West Virginia officials) has made you play with. It will likely be the same for ASU when we move to the FBS for UNC-CH and NCSU (ECU went through a similar situation as well). Again this isn't said to be hateful or an attempt to disrespect Marshall it's just my opinion based upon the WVU fans I know. Trust me it ticks me off that other schools in NC feel that way about ASU, but it's the truth for us as well. They'd rather not play you and you likely aren't in their top five as far as their rivals are concerned.

You're about to lose UCF as a rival when they leave, Ohio isn't in your conference any longer. Who is left?

I know you believe there are better programs for CUSA than ASU and I agree there for CUSA as a whole, but I think ASU would be a nice add for Marshall and ECU. ASU would be a good travel partner for Marshall and ECU - instant rivalry.

How is looking to jump up in conferences living in the past, we are looking forward and once given a chance at the FBS level we will prove that our best days are ahead of us.

The Marshall/UCF series will likely continue even after they leave for the Big East. We will always play Ohio in both sports. We've played Ohio off and on since 1905. We're renewing a series with an old rival in Miami of Ohio. The Marshall/ECU rivalry (even though its a friendly one) will continue now for many years regardless of where we might end up in the future. We have home and home dates with Louisville, Purdue, Navy etc.


I never said that having another close school in CUSA wouldn't benefit Marshall or ECU. The problem is, it has to be the right school. It has to be a school that fits what CUSA looks for when going after schools and it has to be a school that CUSA presidents would want in CUSA. As funny as it may sound, the AD's have no control over that. It's all up to the presidents.

At some point, I think you guys may get a shot in either the Sunbelt or the Wac. If you get the chance you should take it if you really have the desire to play FBS ball. The CUSA/MWC merger is going ahead as planned in an attempt to be included in with the other Big Conferences in the event they decide to break away from the NCAA.

(01-24-2012 08:24 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 06:30 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I have a feeling 5 years from now Marshall and ASU will be in the same division and it likely will not include the BCS programs.

Marshall isn't spending this kinda money to go back to the SoCon...

Marshall New Projects.....

These aren't just drawings either. Marshall is scheduled to take over the Vertern's Mem. Field house, demolish it and build the soccer stadium.

Plus Hamrick has already stated he wants to replace the Cam Henderson Center. That could still be 7-10 years away but it has already been put out there.

You're not going back to the SoCon you just will not be able to spend money like BCS programs. The gap between the BCS members and non-BCS FBS members is a larger gap than that between you and the top tier FCS programs. The gap continues to grow. Eventually they will break off from the FBS, it may not be called 1-AA but will feel pretty similar to 1978-1982.

The way I see it ASU repositions itself at the FBS level within the next few years only to be "pushed down" again within 4-5 years from the move. Happed in the 70's and the probability that history will repeat itself is growing stronger.

Nice facilities by the way. ASU coaches and players love our indoor practice facility and 120,000 sq. ft. athletic complex we built in 2009. Pissing match aside Marshall fans that haven't visited ASU since the 90's would be surprised at what ASU has built and the gameday atmosphere.

(01-24-2012 08:50 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  The CUSA/MWC merger is going ahead as planned in an attempt to be included in with the other Big Conferences in the event they decide to break away from the NCAA.

Just to be clear, this is the group that will join the BCS conferences should they attempt to break away?

Alabama-Birmingham
East Carolina (NC)
Marshall (WV)
Memphis (TN)
Southern Mississippi
Rice (TX)
Texas-El Paso
Tulane (LA)
Tulsa (OK)
Hawaii
Fresno St.
Nevada
Air Force (CO)
Colorado St.
Nevada-Las Vegas
New Mexico
Wyoming

I wish you guys the best but I'm skeptical that this group will get a seat at the table. Just because this comment came from an ASU fan please don't try to belittle ASU while defending why this group will be included, it will not help your point of view.

(01-25-2012 10:20 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 08:50 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  The CUSA/MWC merger is going ahead as planned in an attempt to be included in with the other Big Conferences in the event they decide to break away from the NCAA.

Just to be clear, this is the group that will join the BCS conferences should they attempt to break away?

Alabama-Birmingham
East Carolina (NC)
Marshall (WV)
Memphis (TN)
Southern Mississippi
Rice (TX)
Texas-El Paso
Tulane (LA)
Tulsa (OK)
Hawaii
Fresno St.
Nevada
Air Force (CO)
Colorado St.
Nevada-Las Vegas
New Mexico
Wyoming

I wish you guys the best but I'm skeptical that this group will get a seat at the table. Just because this comment came from an ASU fan please don't try to belittle ASU while defending why this group will be included, it will not help your point of view.

I'm skeptical as well but it's likely our only chance. That group together does produce 4-5 basketball NCAA bids a year so that is a plus. Also that group overnight becomes the best Non-AQ football conference in the country so the potential is certainly there. As you can see there are still some really good markets in that configuration as well. My guess is that they only add one school to get to 18 for now. More than likely Utah State or Temple (if available). I think Temple will be available if the Big East decides to bring up Villanova or passes on Temple all together. If Temple comes on board then they will move UTep over to the west side.

I agree it is the best chance available for those teams involved.

It is worth noting that being in a good market is different than controlling a share of that market.

(01-25-2012 12:28 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I agree it is the best chance available for those teams involved.

It is worth noting that being in a good market is different than controlling a share of that market.

I totally agree with the market issue. Matter of fact, I will PM you my thoughts on that.

One thing that many people probably overlook in this merger........ an 18+ member league like this has some heavy voting power in many situations that could surface in the future. That's another reason why this merger is going to go through.