(01-23-2012 02:43 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 01:24 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 12:03 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  At least App didnt get blown out 5 times in 2011, 5 times in 2010, 2 times in 2009, 5 times in 2008, and 4 times in 2007.
Can you sense a pattern here?

Looks like Marshall is out of their league.

At least we don't play Samford, Elon, DII Lenoir-Rhyne, Presbyterian, Gardner-Webb in the last 5 years.

Appy will not be added to CUSA in the near future. The truth is if Appy ever moves up it will most likely be to the Sun Belt and you will be in the same situation as Troy. The location of both schools will not ever be attractive to other confernces. You have no market and therefore will add no value to anyone.

Troy is in the Montgomery area and will have a very large alumni population within the next twenty years so nice try. Marshall on the other hand if the alliance fails at least you may have the Mac.

Having alumni in the Montgomery area and Troy in the Montgomery media market is 2 different things. Troy doesn't count in the Montgomery market. You do not carry that market.

BTW Troy will be in the Sun Belt 20 years from now....

(01-23-2012 11:13 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 09:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 09:26 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 07:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 07:31 AM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  I think everyone can agree that if CUSA or the merger add an eastern FCS school, ODU will be the first team way ahead of others to be considered. Then it willl be GSU and then App will be third.

It's not even close. When talking FCS schools, ODU is no doubt the #1 pick. That followed by UTSA and then a combination of schools like GSU, Delaware, JMU etc.....App is far down the list and will be lucky to ever get an FBS invite anywhere. Hell the Mac passed on them a couple months back and added UMass instead that only averages 10K per game. What does that say?

You are as uniformed as most Marshall fans I've encountered over the years. The MAC did not pass on ASU. Our administration has made it clear ASU has no interest in the MAC. We outdraw all their schools in football and with the pittance of TV revenue we would get the travel would destroy our budget. I guess you could make the case for ODU mainly for basketball and football has a lot of potential, but their other sports have nothing on ASU. Saying GSU, Delaware and JMU are far above ASU is simply not true. You Herd fans keep on attempting to discredit ASU. If you are scared at least have the guts to say so.

AppManDG, you got to be realistic. You guys are nowhere near as ready as ODU. They have a 30 Million dollar budget, sell out every football game with a big waiting list for season tickets, average over 7K per game in basketball, their market is ranked 43rd in the country with no pro sports to compete with, their facilities are top notch.....you simply cant compare the two and you know it. The facts are facts whether you want to accept it or not. Their ladies team averages more per game in basketball than your mens team does. There simply is no comparison. And speaking of Terry Holland...it was Terry Holland himself in a radio interview that said ODU was the "Sleeping Giant" of the east coast.

I see that no App fans want to engage in a debate in comparing ODU to App State over the facts I presented above. Just as I thought.

Please forgive me for not responding within a few minutes. Some of us do not have all day with nothing to do but spend time on this stuff. Don't know where the disconnect is since I said ODU is an attractive school. ASU doesn't spend as much money on athletics partly because we don't have to. Two factors are ASU's travel budget is miniscule compared to ODU's and the cost to attend ASU is less resulting in lower scholarship costs. As fa as football goes we outdraw them by around 7,000 per game and while ODU is at 100% of capacity ASU is at 130% of capacity (thanks to a bank in one end zone. No doubt ASU's basketball program is woefully behind ODU's. Many of our students (or alumni) care little about our conference opponents and most of the non conference teams we bring in are not household names. They will show up for quality games as evidenced by the 8,300 sellout for Davidson during Seth Curry's final season. ASu has one of the strongest track and field programs in the region, and the SoCon is a higher rated baseball conference (Southern 15 , CAA 18) while team wise it was pretty much a draw (ODU 131, ASU 134). BTW, your Herd came in at 194. All other sports are for the most part equal.

One thing you need to take into coinsideration is ODU may not want to move. Their AD, who was AD at Western Kentucky when they made the jump to 1-A, has been quite vocal in his apprehension in making a move so soon after starting a football program.

Time for you Herd fans to face reality. Hate to break this to you, but ASU is closer to Marshall's level than you guys are to BCS schools. About the only thing Marshall has in common with those guys is you both give 85 schollies. Your 2010 budget was right at $23 million while ASU was at $16 million w/o the 44 additional scholarships needed for FBS. Does Marshall really belong in CUSA? It's a valid question. In August of 2010 Mike Hamrick was quoted in The Herd Insider as saying, "There are (120) Division I football teams. We are No. 100 in budget terms. There are 12 Conference USA teams and we are No. 11 in budget." You only outrank Southern Mississippi at $19.5 milion, only $3.5 mil above ASU. I tried to find what the Big Green Club raised last year, but was unable to. In 2011 ASU raised just over $2.4 million for athletic scholarships. No smack intended, but as you said we are talking facts here.

(01-23-2012 02:49 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:43 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 01:24 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 12:03 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  At least App didnt get blown out 5 times in 2011, 5 times in 2010, 2 times in 2009, 5 times in 2008, and 4 times in 2007.
Can you sense a pattern here?

Looks like Marshall is out of their league.

At least we don't play Samford, Elon, DII Lenoir-Rhyne, Presbyterian, Gardner-Webb in the last 5 years.

Appy will not be added to CUSA in the near future. The truth is if Appy ever moves up it will most likely be to the Sun Belt and you will be in the same situation as Troy. The location of both schools will not ever be attractive to other confernces. You have no market and therefore will add no value to anyone.

Troy is in the Montgomery area and will have a very large alumni population within the next twenty years so nice try. Marshall on the other hand if the alliance fails at least you may have the Mac.

Having alumni in the Montgomery area and Troy in the Montgomery media market is 2 different things. Troy doesn't count in the Montgomery market. You do not carry that market.

Have you ever even been to Montgomery while your trying to sound so sure of yourself? Troy definitely is the third most popular school in the city behind Auburn and Alabama. We have signs all over the city, alumni, students, events and tell me this is not in Montgomery http://montgomery.troy.edu/about/

Montgomery is not claimed by any single school because there is no true large University in the city. We very well hold our own with Alabama and Auburn in Montgomery. Our issue is that we can't sway the entire state like they do not that we can't hold a footprint in Troy and Montgomery. And if you need further research check this for yourself (I know it's wikipedia but it is copied from research with a link) Troy is listed at 117 in the Montgomery/Selma/Troy area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_med...e_football

(01-23-2012 12:43 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 01:09 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 12:50 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  If App moves up, it will be either with a contingent of top FCS programs, or a splinter group of both. And we'll flourish as we've always done.

under current ncaa guidelines, option one is impossible and option 2 is very unappealing to current fbs teams.

Also, if you were to move up in one of those scenarios, you would have a hard time financially competing, as your media deal would be the size of the SBC, if not smaller. In FBS competing for dollars is almost more important than competing on the field and can influence otf success. This is one of the bigger differences between the fcs and fbs games, and I really don't think a lot of fcs fans get it (ie- Jax St. fans thinking they'd walk over the SBC in their first year if they were to join). I'm not saying app couldn't compete at this level, but it would take time for them to come up to speed (see WKU). Marshall was the exception.

I'm not sure what you have against the Sun Belt but this post is false. We have Markets in Dallas, Miami, Murfreesboro, Boca, Little Rock, Mobile, Montgomery (Troy's satellite is there and the city of Troy only 40 minutes away has the same area codes, radio stations, and newspaper as Montgomery), and we still have a team in Denver.

Some of you Marshall fans think your a much more pretty girl than you actually are. You haven't done much of anything besides being average and bad since joining your current conference. And for your record the Sun Belt was not looking at App State as a potential candidate or La Tech. The fans of other conferences would not be so hostile towards Marshall and ECU fans if you guys didn't act like your average teams in average markets have won national championships at this level or been in a big time conference lately or ever.

I didn't say a thing about markets, I said media deal. The SBC's media deal is pretty small. Overall, if you'd re-read the statement it was neutral to slightly positive in regards to the sbc.

Don't read into things that aren't there.

(01-23-2012 02:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 12:07 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Mods! Do us a favor and run these ASU-holes out of here!

I don't think you realize yet that you and six other Marshall/ECU posters are always the ones causing issues on these threads. Marshall fans were attacking the App State fans school and he defended then when he said something about Marshall they got anal and went crazy because they know it's true.

Half the country has ever heard of ODU heck I have yet to even meet or seen a ODU fan for all this potential you guys play up. I understand it gets annoying seeing UNT, APP, and La Tech fans "pimping their school" but you guys need to stop pimping ODU like their some kind of powerhouse.

Heck I just had to go check to even find out what conference their in. I'm not even sure their basketball team is even the powerhouse you guys are claiming they are their schedule says 11-9 playing teams like Howard, Long Island, Vermont, Fair Feild, and losing by team to most average teams they play like UCF and VCU.

I don't understand why it doesn't just make sense to add UNT if your trying to get a sub par basketball team and a market. UNT will deliver as many heads in Dallas as ODU would after you subtract people watching the other schools in the state.

And just like half the country has never heard of Troy.

And no we are not pimping ODU. We simply want ODU because of the value they provide over other candidates. Besides, its not like the fans are the only ones talking about them. They are mentioned by AD's and other high ranking personnel on regular basis when talking expansion. It is what it is.

(01-23-2012 02:51 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  BTW Troy will be in the Sun Belt 20 years from now....

I tend to agree. Have a friend who interviewed for the Troy AD job several years ago who said Troy's program was like a movie set. Looks good on the surface, but once you go through the door there isn't much there. From what I can tell most of the Sunbelt programs have similar issues. In reality the NCAA should actually be broken up along the lines used in many studies which indicate four distinct Quartiles in college football by spending. Tier I $80 million, Tier II $55 million, Tier III, $33 million and Tier IV $20 million. Truth is the top FCS programs have far more in common with the lower level CUSA schools, Sunbelt, MAC and WAC.

(01-23-2012 03:25 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 12:07 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Mods! Do us a favor and run these ASU-holes out of here!

I don't think you realize yet that you and six other Marshall/ECU posters are always the ones causing issues on these threads. Marshall fans were attacking the App State fans school and he defended then when he said something about Marshall they got anal and went crazy because they know it's true.

Half the country has ever heard of ODU heck I have yet to even meet or seen a ODU fan for all this potential you guys play up. I understand it gets annoying seeing UNT, APP, and La Tech fans "pimping their school" but you guys need to stop pimping ODU like their some kind of powerhouse.

Heck I just had to go check to even find out what conference their in. I'm not even sure their basketball team is even the powerhouse you guys are claiming they are their schedule says 11-9 playing teams like Howard, Long Island, Vermont, Fair Feild, and losing by team to most average teams they play like UCF and VCU.

I don't understand why it doesn't just make sense to add UNT if your trying to get a sub par basketball team and a market. UNT will deliver as many heads in Dallas as ODU would after you subtract people watching the other schools in the state.

And just like half the country has never heard of Troy.

And no we are not pimping ODU. We simply want ODU because of the value they provide over other candidates. Besides, its not like the fans are the only ones talking about them. They are mentioned by AD's and other high ranking personnel on regular basis when talking expansion. It is what it is.

Oh please let's see some links to people who actually have a say in what's going to happen supporting ODU. And I'm talking about people other than the Marshall and ECU athletic directors who just want someone close to them.

I have yet to see anything about ODU on ESPN, CBS, Rivals, or any legitimate media outlet. Your just kidding yourself if you think half the country who watches football has never heard of Troy. Heck people in China and Japan even know about Troy because of our transfer program with the countries and don't get my started on Troy players in the NFL. Every single school in the SEC can tell you who Troy is because they probably have played us or watched us play a member school on TV, we are able to HOST teams like Navy and Miss St and we have never had an issue going and playing teams like Ohio St.


Once again you don't know anything your talking about in your insults remind me of the last time ODU has hosted a D1 team in football or even played more than one in a season. So just stop all this hostilities towards fans of schools when you and they have no vote in this expansion madness anyway.

(01-23-2012 03:41 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:51 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  BTW Troy will be in the Sun Belt 20 years from now....

I tend to agree. Have a friend who interviewed for the Troy AD job several years ago who said Troy's program was like a movie set. Looks good on the surface, but once you go through the door there isn't much there. From what I can tell most of the Sunbelt programs have similar issues. In reality the NCAA should actually be broken up along the lines used in many studies which indicate four distinct Quartiles in college football by spending. Tier I $80 million, Tier II $55 million, Tier III, $33 million and Tier IV $20 million. Truth is the top FCS programs have far more in common with the lower level CUSA schools, Sunbelt, MAC and WAC.

No offense to your friend but he probably had sour grapes because he didn't get the job. And sure may have been true ten years ago but in the last ten years Troy renovated the baseball field, built a basketball arena, currently building a new amphitheater, over 7 new dorms, is getting a new student fitness center, and has plans to close up the football stadium. I'm not sure where the money has started coming from but the funds for the school have quadrupled in the last few years and enrollment will probably be at 10k+ and counting for the main campus in five years.

There is a clear line between FCS and even Sun Belt teams money or not. Troy's team last year probably would have been competing for the FCS national championship. Even in the first bad year in a while we have a second or third round draft pick on defense. And probably a fourth or fifth round OT.

Sounds like Marshall fans are skeered of playing App State. From what I remember Appalachian owned Marshall. MU fans keep talking about a game that was played the one year or so when they had their best team ever 22 more scholarships and beat them. Funny that they don't talk about all those times they lost to them. At least the Pirates will play them. They did OK the last time they went to Greenville, especially with a lot less scholarships. Look forward to seeing those App fans this September. MU fans quit being so skeered. You might never beat App State but at least you should try.

(01-23-2012 02:56 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 11:13 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 09:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 09:26 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 07:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  It's not even close. When talking FCS schools, ODU is no doubt the #1 pick. That followed by UTSA and then a combination of schools like GSU, Delaware, JMU etc.....App is far down the list and will be lucky to ever get an FBS invite anywhere. Hell the Mac passed on them a couple months back and added UMass instead that only averages 10K per game. What does that say?

You are as uniformed as most Marshall fans I've encountered over the years. The MAC did not pass on ASU. Our administration has made it clear ASU has no interest in the MAC. We outdraw all their schools in football and with the pittance of TV revenue we would get the travel would destroy our budget. I guess you could make the case for ODU mainly for basketball and football has a lot of potential, but their other sports have nothing on ASU. Saying GSU, Delaware and JMU are far above ASU is simply not true. You Herd fans keep on attempting to discredit ASU. If you are scared at least have the guts to say so.

AppManDG, you got to be realistic. You guys are nowhere near as ready as ODU. They have a 30 Million dollar budget, sell out every football game with a big waiting list for season tickets, average over 7K per game in basketball, their market is ranked 43rd in the country with no pro sports to compete with, their facilities are top notch.....you simply cant compare the two and you know it. The facts are facts whether you want to accept it or not. Their ladies team averages more per game in basketball than your mens team does. There simply is no comparison. And speaking of Terry Holland...it was Terry Holland himself in a radio interview that said ODU was the "Sleeping Giant" of the east coast.

I see that no App fans want to engage in a debate in comparing ODU to App State over the facts I presented above. Just as I thought.

Please forgive me for not responding within a few minutes. Some of us do not have all day with nothing to do but spend time on this stuff. Don't know where the disconnect is since I said ODU is an attractive school. ASU doesn't spend as much money on athletics partly because we don't have to. Two factors are ASU's travel budget is miniscule compared to ODU's and the cost to attend ASU is less resulting in lower scholarship costs. As fa as football goes we outdraw them by around 7,000 per game and while ODU is at 100% of capacity ASU is at 130% of capacity (thanks to a bank in one end zone. No doubt ASU's basketball program is woefully behind ODU's. Many of our students (or alumni) care little about our conference opponents and most of the non conference teams we bring in are not household names. They will show up for quality games as evidenced by the 8,300 sellout for Davidson during Seth Curry's final season. ASu has one of the strongest track and field programs in the region, and the SoCon is a higher rated baseball conference (Southern 15 , CAA 18) while team wise it was pretty much a draw (ODU 131, ASU 134). BTW, your Herd came in at 194. All other sports are for the most part equal.

One thing you need to take into coinsideration is ODU may not want to move. Their AD, who was AD at Western Kentucky when they made the jump to 1-A, has been quite vocal in his apprehension in making a move so soon after starting a football program.

Time for you Herd fans to face reality. Hate to break this to you, but ASU is closer to Marshall's level than you guys are to BCS schools. About the only thing Marshall has in common with those guys is you both give 85 schollies. Your 2010 budget was right at $23 million while ASU was at $16 million w/o the 44 additional scholarships needed for FBS. Does Marshall really belong in CUSA? It's a valid question. In August of 2010 Mike Hamrick was quoted in The Herd Insider as saying, "There are (120) Division I football teams. We are No. 100 in budget terms. There are 12 Conference USA teams and we are No. 11 in budget." You only outrank Southern Mississippi at $19.5 milion, only $3.5 mil above ASU. I tried to find what the Big Green Club raised last year, but was unable to. In 2011 ASU raised just over $2.4 million for athletic scholarships. No smack intended, but as you said we are talking facts here.

You are out of your mind. You are not even close to being on the same level as us. And no you are not speaking facts. Facts are that Marshall is one of the top programs in CUSA. We are in the top part of attendance in basketball and football. Have been investing Millions in facilities and our current budget is around 28 Million which again is in the top part of CUSA. You have no clue what you are talking about.

I must admit though......I do enjoy the envy that you and other App fans show towards us.

(01-23-2012 04:51 PM)KingKong Wrote:  Sounds like Marshall fans are skeered of playing App State. From what I remember Appalachian owned Marshall. MU fans keep talking about a game that was played the one year or so when they had their best team ever 22 more scholarships and beat them. Funny that they don't talk about all those times they lost to them. At least the Pirates will play them. They did OK the last time they went to Greenville, especially with a lot less scholarships. Look forward to seeing those App fans this September. MU fans quit being so skeered. You might never beat App State but at least you should try.

Last time we played App it was a 50-17 drubbing. Took our starters out at half time. They don't bring any fans so why would we schedule them when we can schedule game with Louisville, Purdue, Navy, Va Tech, Kansas State etc?

See, like I said, MU fans bring up that one game where they had their best team ever. Doubt anyone is envious of Marshall.

If I were them I'd focus on that game as well vs. the 14 losses to ASU in 20 SoCon games. They'd rather discuss a "rivalry" with WVU, a team they have never beaten. Too funny.

(01-23-2012 10:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If I were them I'd focus on that game as well vs. the 14 losses to ASU in 20 SoCon games. They'd rather discuss a "rivalry" with WVU, a team they have never beaten. Too funny.

C'mon Saint, I like you as a poster. Stop the Jealousy crap. The rivalry with WVU doesn't just spill over in football it goes over to basketball as well. It's a sold out neutral court every year. The last six to seven years in basketball the series has been near even. We won it last year, they won it this year.

Outside of WVU our main rival is probably UCF, and Ohio. So as you can see we have at least three rivalry games a year in football and basketball.

I'm sorry that App State hasn't been on the minds of Marshall fans for probably 20 years now. Nobody cares. Its in the past and over. The only people that care are the older generation of App fans that remember those games. We've moved on. Time for you guys to stop living in the past and do the same as well.

(01-23-2012 05:00 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:56 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 11:13 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 09:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 09:26 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  You are as uniformed as most Marshall fans I've encountered over the years. The MAC did not pass on ASU. Our administration has made it clear ASU has no interest in the MAC. We outdraw all their schools in football and with the pittance of TV revenue we would get the travel would destroy our budget. I guess you could make the case for ODU mainly for basketball and football has a lot of potential, but their other sports have nothing on ASU. Saying GSU, Delaware and JMU are far above ASU is simply not true. You Herd fans keep on attempting to discredit ASU. If you are scared at least have the guts to say so.

AppManDG, you got to be realistic. You guys are nowhere near as ready as ODU. They have a 30 Million dollar budget, sell out every football game with a big waiting list for season tickets, average over 7K per game in basketball, their market is ranked 43rd in the country with no pro sports to compete with, their facilities are top notch.....you simply cant compare the two and you know it. The facts are facts whether you want to accept it or not. Their ladies team averages more per game in basketball than your mens team does. There simply is no comparison. And speaking of Terry Holland...it was Terry Holland himself in a radio interview that said ODU was the "Sleeping Giant" of the east coast.

I see that no App fans want to engage in a debate in comparing ODU to App State over the facts I presented above. Just as I thought.

Please forgive me for not responding within a few minutes. Some of us do not have all day with nothing to do but spend time on this stuff. Don't know where the disconnect is since I said ODU is an attractive school. ASU doesn't spend as much money on athletics partly because we don't have to. Two factors are ASU's travel budget is miniscule compared to ODU's and the cost to attend ASU is less resulting in lower scholarship costs. As fa as football goes we outdraw them by around 7,000 per game and while ODU is at 100% of capacity ASU is at 130% of capacity (thanks to a bank in one end zone. No doubt ASU's basketball program is woefully behind ODU's. Many of our students (or alumni) care little about our conference opponents and most of the non conference teams we bring in are not household names. They will show up for quality games as evidenced by the 8,300 sellout for Davidson during Seth Curry's final season. ASu has one of the strongest track and field programs in the region, and the SoCon is a higher rated baseball conference (Southern 15 , CAA 18) while team wise it was pretty much a draw (ODU 131, ASU 134). BTW, your Herd came in at 194. All other sports are for the most part equal.

One thing you need to take into coinsideration is ODU may not want to move. Their AD, who was AD at Western Kentucky when they made the jump to 1-A, has been quite vocal in his apprehension in making a move so soon after starting a football program.

Time for you Herd fans to face reality. Hate to break this to you, but ASU is closer to Marshall's level than you guys are to BCS schools. About the only thing Marshall has in common with those guys is you both give 85 schollies. Your 2010 budget was right at $23 million while ASU was at $16 million w/o the 44 additional scholarships needed for FBS. Does Marshall really belong in CUSA? It's a valid question. In August of 2010 Mike Hamrick was quoted in The Herd Insider as saying, "There are (120) Division I football teams. We are No. 100 in budget terms. There are 12 Conference USA teams and we are No. 11 in budget." You only outrank Southern Mississippi at $19.5 milion, only $3.5 mil above ASU. I tried to find what the Big Green Club raised last year, but was unable to. In 2011 ASU raised just over $2.4 million for athletic scholarships. No smack intended, but as you said we are talking facts here.

You are out of your mind. You are not even close to being on the same level as us. And no you are not speaking facts. Facts are that Marshall is one of the top programs in CUSA. We are in the top part of attendance in basketball and football. Have been investing Millions in facilities and our current budget is around 28 Million which again is in the top part of CUSA. You have no clue what you are talking about.

I must admit though......I do enjoy the envy that you and other App fans show towards us.

One of the top programs in CUSA? Has Marshall ever won a CUSA conference championship in anything? In 7 years of conference play Marshall has 1 winning season in football with an overall record of 26-35. ASU has outdrawn Marshall in football the last 4 years and was close (within 3,000 per game) the previous 3 before our stadium expansion. Your dynamic basketball program has never made it past the 2nd round of the CUSA tournament (lost in 1st round 3 times) and although you like to bash our basketball program we have beaten you 2 out of the last 3 times we've played since ya'll joined CUSA (the last W was when we knocked you guys out of the Collegeinsider.com Tournament in 2010). In soccer Marshall has a terrible record, and you guys are a whopping 48-96 in baseball. If this is indicative of one of the top programs in CUSA that league is in worse shape than I thought.

I'd rather have Marshall than App State.

(01-24-2012 08:40 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 10:08 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If I were them I'd focus on that game as well vs. the 14 losses to ASU in 20 SoCon games. They'd rather discuss a "rivalry" with WVU, a team they have never beaten. Too funny.

C'mon Saint, I like you as a poster. Stop the Jealousy crap. The rivalry with WVU doesn't just spill over in football it goes over to basketball as well. It's a sold out neutral court every year. The last six to seven years in basketball the series has been near even. We won it last year, they won it this year.

Outside of WVU our main rival is probably UCF, and Ohio. So as you can see we have at least three rivalry games a year in football and basketball.

I'm sorry that App State hasn't been on the minds of Marshall fans for probably 20 years now. Nobody cares. Its in the past and over. The only people that care are the older generation of App fans that remember those games. We've moved on. Time for you guys to stop living in the past and do the same as well.

What I'm about to say isn't an attempt to piss off Marshall fans just providing an outsiders opinion and living in Charlotte there are a lot of WVU alums in the area.

How can WVU be your main rival? I know you hate them, but the emotion felt my WVU fans is more of indifference, like a little nagging brother that mom (West Virginia officials) has made you play with. It will likely be the same for ASU when we move to the FBS for UNC-CH and NCSU (ECU went through a similar situation as well). Again this isn't said to be hateful or an attempt to disrespect Marshall it's just my opinion based upon the WVU fans I know. Trust me it ticks me off that other schools in NC feel that way about ASU, but it's the truth for us as well. They'd rather not play you and you likely aren't in their top five as far as their rivals are concerned.

You're about to lose UCF as a rival when they leave, Ohio isn't in your conference any longer. Who is left?

I know you believe there are better programs for CUSA than ASU and I agree there for CUSA as a whole, but I think ASU would be a nice add for Marshall and ECU. ASU would be a good travel partner for Marshall and ECU - instant rivalry.

How is looking to jump up in conferences living in the past, we are looking forward and once given a chance at the FBS level we will prove that our best days are ahead of us.

(01-24-2012 11:33 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  we are looking forward and once given a chance at the FBS level we will prove that our best days are ahead of us.

Since this thread isn't dying here is whats happening:

CUSA/MWC is merging for ALL Sports. Right now its 17 for football and 16 for basketball. If anyone is added right now I think it will be Utah State. USU has great basketball and their football is stable. On the east side we could always pull FIU/FAU or UNT anytime we wanted to.

I said it last year and I was right. Appy will not be moving up. Their admin think they deserve better than starting at the bottom like everyone else. Until Appy's admin realize they have to do what everyone else had to do they will be playing in the SoCon. I have a feeling Appy will be playing Elon and Samford in 5 years still yet.