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(01-19-2012 12:40 AM)j williams Wrote:  I know so much more about this team it would make your head spin. And no he did not ask for a blow. Trust me.

So do I. But since you are the guy who just said we lost the game in the 1st half tonight, when the halftime score was 41-38, I will just assume what I know to be the truth. Especially since OU went on a 21-2 run to begin the 2nd half.

I think it's archived on ESPN 3. OU pretty clearly keyed on Greene not getting the ball in an advantageous position in the second half. It's up to the other guys to force the defense's attention and nobody was able to do that.

(01-19-2012 01:32 AM)OZoner Wrote:  I think it's archived on ESPN 3. OU pretty clearly keyed on Greene not getting the ball in an advantageous position in the second half. It's up to the other guys to force the defense's attention and nobody was able to do that.

I am sure it is. I am also sure I don't want to watch that game ever again.

Too bad you are so narrowminded. You compare his turnover to the amount of games he has won for kent. I will take that. If justin greene avg three turnovera game and avg twenty pts a game. You have a problem. The last four games he had four turnovers. Everyone under the basket has a high turnover rate. It comes with the pos. How many shot attempts should he have coach danny. Why don't you mention the thirhteen other turnovers. He wasn't the only one with multible turnovers so you single him out. You have almost lost you credibility. Ps. Danny. How often do we score whe h is on the bench. Open your eyes and stp relying on your number system.

(01-19-2012 01:41 AM)j williams Wrote:  Too bad you are so narrowminded. You compare his turnover to the amount of games he has won for kent. I will take that. If justin greene avg three turnovera game and avg twenty pts a game. You have a problem. The last four games he had four turnovers. Everyone under the basket has a high turnover rate. It comes with the pos. How many shot attempts should he have coach danny. Why don't you mention the thirhteen other turnovers. He wasn't the only one with multible turnovers so you single him out. You have almost lost you credibility. Ps. Danny. How often do we score whe h is on the bench. Open your eyes and stp relying on your number system.

Debating you on this isn't even fair. Some nights he is going to play well and not turn it over and others he might not play well and throw the ball away. Tonight was the latter. Is it about his touches (as you previously stated) or is it about his shot attempts? What I am saying is that he got touches and turned the ball over. Which is true.

(01-19-2012 01:41 AM)j williams Wrote:  The last four games he had four turnovers. Everyone under the basket has a high turnover rate. It comes with the pos.

No, they don't. Greene is averaging 3.3 TO/game. Here's how he compares to the top big men in the country:

Sullinger - OSU - 1.6
Davis - UK - 1.0
Zeller - UNC - 1.8
Drummond - UConn - 1.7
Gates - UC - 1.2

And if you want to stay in the MAC, Marshall averages 1.7. Their minutes per game are all comparable, roughly between 27-30.

I'm not comparing Greene to Anthony Davis or Tyler Zeller: I'm pointing out that turnovers do not come with the position. Greene is averaging TWICE as many turnovers per game as the great players at his position.

I'm not picking on Greene: he has been very good for four years. But his turnovers/game have risen every year. As he's drawn more attention from the defense, his handle hasn't gotten better. He's a helluva player, but he's far from a sure-fire thing when you pass it into the post.

Looks like a tit-for-tat argument.. On to the Akron thread.

his guards are terrible post passer. Those players you talk about have great guards and help in the post. Greene can't get a simple lob pass. We don't have anyone guard who can get to the paint at will. Every other team has a guard who can drive and dish. No one wants to be a point guard. No smart guard who is a coach on the floor. We run when we shouldn't. Every other star in the league has teammates that look to get them shot attempts. Steve mix said jg should have at least 12 shot attemts a game on the road. We will lose every mac game that jg attempts only four shots. We all are in denial if we don't believe that

(01-19-2012 09:51 AM)j williams Wrote:  his guards are terrible post passer. Those players you talk about have great guards and help in the post. Greene can't get a simple lob pass. We don't have anyone guard who can get to the paint at will. Every other team has a guard who can drive and dish. No one wants to be a point guard. No smart guard who is a coach on the floor. We run when we shouldn't. Every other star in the league has teammates that look to get them shot attempts. Steve mix said jg should have at least 12 shot attemts a game on the road. We will lose every mac game that jg attempts only four shots. We all are in denial if we don't believe that

So now it's the guards fault that JG turns it over? If you need more shots out of JG, tell him to get better post position, not commit a turnover, and shoot more. It's not from a lack of touches.

Yes his turnovers were up every year but so was his pts,reb,and blocks. He led the team in all those catagories as a starter. Turnoves too. The end result was two regular season titles. Who do you think really makes this team go. I really want to know. Kevin durant had 7 turnovers last night. Will they talk about that or the 33 pts he scored? He is the only player on this team who can take over a game and he has many games to prove it. You are bitching about turnovers you need to be bitching with his coaches who don't know how to use their star player. I wonder if the even have plays for him.

You are obviously someone who never played sports. You notice no one is agreeing with your calculus. Smell the coffee.

(01-19-2012 10:15 AM)j williams Wrote:  You are obviously someone who never played sports. You notice no one is agreeing with your calculus. Smell the coffee.

Your argument doesn't make any sense, so you try to criticize me personally. Not that it matters to this thread, but I've played sports my whole life. I'm in my mid-40s and still play basketball on a regular basis.

You're impossible to argue with: first, you said that turnovers are common for his position, and when I point out that they're not, you blame it on the guards. You really have no idea what you're talking about. End of discussion from my end. Thankfully, there's an ignore function for posters like you.

Danny I noticed you gave j williams a +2 on his reputation. I bet you wish you hadn't. Sounds like you turned it over. You just need some good guards that's all.

lets put this one to bed. on to akron!

(01-19-2012 11:29 AM)burden Wrote:  Danny I noticed you gave j williams a +2 on his reputation. I bet you wish you hadn't. Sounds like you turned it over. You just need some good guards that's all.

I don't go back and retroactively rate someone. You are correct though, I need someone with a good handle who will drop dimes and let me finish.

Right now an Akron fan is reading this thread... and laughing at us all.

(01-19-2012 10:15 AM)j williams Wrote:  You are obviously someone who never played sports. You notice no one is agreeing with your calculus. Smell the coffee.

I must have missed the "Calculus" part of this debate. I did see some nice arithmetic.

This thread is getting out of hand. It's not all about Justin Greene, he's a great player but this is a team sport. He's not the reason we lost nor did he do much that would have helped is win. He's just as responsible as anyone for last nights game and if he's the star caliber player that we all think he is, I bet he would agree.

(01-19-2012 01:06 PM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  Right now an Akron fan is reading this thread... and laughing at us all.

They had their own issues exposed last night and Zippy does't come on our board all that often. We know when they do because they can't control their mouths and they usually

Greene is not an active post player. He moves too little without the ball and does not command the ball. He is as weak on post passing as possible. Yes, he is good and we win and lose with him. His play last night does not encourage guards to attempt to get him the ball. When he has a good game, we win. His limited activity is indicated by his lack of consistent rebounding.

Agree, KYflash. That "must never have played the game" argument gets old fast. In the first place many, if not most, of us on this board have played organized sports to one extent or another. And in the second place, football and basketball are not brain surgery. One need not have actually played the game to know a lot about it. And despite what shills such as Dick Vitale might shout out over the years, I would bet that there are very few, if any, "geniuses" coaching football and basketball.