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We could be just fine IF we get better

Look I'm happy we have a good team it's enough for me, I'm speaking from a championship caliber perspective, this team does not defend and rebound the way a championship Caliber team defends and rebounds. They just don't and until they do, they won't win the Mac tourney

(01-18-2012 08:53 PM)flashgrad03 Wrote:  We could be just fine IF we get better

Look I'm happy we have a good team it's enough for me, I'm speaking from a championship caliber perspective, this team does not defend and rebound the way a championship Caliber team defends and rebounds. They just don't and until they do, they won't win the Mac tourney

Well said. I've missed more games this year than I usually do, but from what I've seen, this team doesn't do any of the little things that our recent good teams did. There is still time to grow, but they aren't improving on a regular basis.

(01-18-2012 09:02 PM)kyflash Wrote:  There is still time to grow, but they aren't improving on a regular basis.

I don't see how they have time to grow. They had almost 3 months! This crap is usually figured out long, long before now. It SHOULD be figured out before we start conference play. We have not gotten better, we are still losing to teams with less talent, and we still get shocked when we get behind a team that has less talent.
Like I said a few weeks ago, this team has heard nothing but how good they are for the past year. No one has told them that they need to do more than just hear that. They need to bloody play that way too!

Also I'm a little bothered that this game got this out if control. It's ok to lose a game when the other team shoots lights out but it's never ok to give up this many points and get blown out and basically give up. Horrible effort maybe worst effort I've ever seen from a kent state team.

Don't forget that while it was a fluke we gave up a ton of points the last game too, big red flags in my book

(01-18-2012 09:07 PM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  

(01-18-2012 09:02 PM)kyflash Wrote:  There is still time to grow, but they aren't improving on a regular basis.

I don't see how they have time to grow. They had almost 3 months! This crap is usually figured out long, long before now. It SHOULD be figured out before we start conference play. We have not gotten better, we are still losing to teams with less talent, and we still get shocked when we get behind a team that has less talent.
Like I said a few weeks ago, this team has heard nothing but how good they are for the past year. No one has told them that they need to do more than just hear that. They need to bloody play that way too!

A beatdown like this should remind the team how much work they have to do. This is the worst defensive Kent team I have ever seen. Hey, we dunk great though and I guess that's what counts the most. No Kent State Basketball in this team. :john: This is setting up as the typical MAC season where you must win every home game, sweep the West (I pray we can) and get hot in Cleveland. Hope they find a spark at the jar Saturday.

I am beginning to worry a lot about this team. I know losing a guy like Sherman sometimes has a bigger effect than expected but I have to believe it's more than that. The lack of improvement worries me. That is usually coaching. Let's face it a loss at Akron is likely if for no other reason than it is a road game. This appears to be nothing more than a slightly better than average team.

Again, a lot of comparisons with Kent and Carolina. Both have great talent for their competition. Neither have played with a "kill" instinct. Both teams are not very mentally tough. I question the coaching of both teams. I question the conditioning of both teams. Both teams can wake up tomorrow and win every game until they play each other. However, neither team gets motivated to do that.

(01-18-2012 09:07 PM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  

(01-18-2012 09:02 PM)kyflash Wrote:  There is still time to grow, but they aren't improving on a regular basis.

I don't see how they have time to grow. They had almost 3 months! This crap is usually figured out long, long before now. It SHOULD be figured out before we start conference play. We have not gotten better, we are still losing to teams with less talent, and we still get shocked when we get behind a team that has less talent.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but plenty of teams catch fire in February or even early March. Look at the 09-10 OU team: 17-14 overall and 7-9 in the MAC. Got a nice roll and pulled off a sweet upset in the tourney.

(01-18-2012 09:32 PM)kyflash Wrote:  

(01-18-2012 09:07 PM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  

(01-18-2012 09:02 PM)kyflash Wrote:  There is still time to grow, but they aren't improving on a regular basis.

I don't see how they have time to grow. They had almost 3 months! This crap is usually figured out long, long before now. It SHOULD be figured out before we start conference play. We have not gotten better, we are still losing to teams with less talent, and we still get shocked when we get behind a team that has less talent.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but plenty of teams catch fire in February or even early March. Look at the 09-10 OU team: 17-14 overall and 7-9 in the MAC. Got a nice roll and pulled off a sweet upset in the tourney.

I'll tip my hat to you being right. I really REALLY hope you are right.

I like Chris Evans. He can disappear at times, but in a good way because he makes a play before you realize he's there.

I like Chris Evans too, he can disappear in a bad way though too lol. He's really been turning it around these last two games though. I'd call him the sole bright spot from tonight's game.

I have to blame this one on the coach. We had a bad day defensely. We were more than able offensively. When justin greene and carlton guyton combine for seven shot attempts that's coaching. Say what you want this team can't win big games without greene on the floor. We were up by five why was greene subbed. That changed the game. Whether he has one or ten turnovers he should play 38 min a game. I said it before there is no way kent will win games with the player of the year getting four shot attempts. When will coach realize he has to ride his hoss. What are you saving him for? Last week he had 34 attempts. Result... Two wins.46 pts and a player of the week. The loss of eric gaines is really starting to hurt. Guyton has no defense and refuses to shoot anymore. Justin manns is a liabilty on defense when that should be his strength. Coach sendy better find ways to get the ball in greene's hands a lot.

(01-18-2012 11:12 PM)j williams Wrote:  I have to blame this one on the coach. We had a bad day defensely. We were more than able offensively. When justin greene and carlton guyton combine for seven shot attempts that's coaching. Say what you want this team can't win big games without greene on the floor. We were up by five why was greene subbed. That changed the game. Whether he has one or ten turnovers he should play 38 min a game. I said it before there is no way kent will win games with the player of the year getting four shot attempts. When will coach realize he has to ride his hoss. What are you saving him for? Last week he had 34 attempts. Result... Two wins.46 pts and a player of the week. The loss of eric gaines is really starting to hurt. Guyton has no defense and refuses to shoot anymore. Justin manns is a liabilty on defense when that should be his strength. Coach sendy better find ways to get the ball in greene's hands a lot.

You are in denial. Maybe Justin would have had 6 more shots if he hadn't been throwing the ball all over the damn arena. You can't possibly judge his minutes when we are down 30 if he gets yanked. It was a 3 point game at half and OU came out and dominated us at the beginning of the second half. JG was on the court when that happened. Last week we beat Miami and BG at home and tonight we played OU on the road. Personally, I don't think those are comparable games.

He was the only one turning it over right. He was three for floor from the floor. 4 of five from the line. he is our best player he will have turnovers but he brings it every night. What great player doesn't have turnovers. I said he needs to play more minutes. You are in denial if you think we can win with him off the floor. Further more we were up 5 at the 8 min mark of the first half. He was subbed out. Remember that! The game was lost then. We never regained the lead. Anyone with sense knows that our guards do a terrible job finding the poy. If not for greene we would be 0-4 rite now. If the coaches and players are not willing to get him more than four touches a game then shame on them. You say nothing about the other turnovers in the games. What about the passes that end up blown layups. Do you see that. Guyton and porrini had four each. Say something. They aren't doubled and triple teamed.

(01-19-2012 12:19 AM)j williams Wrote:  He was the only one turning it over right. He was three for floor from the floor. 4 of five from the line. he is our best player he will have turnovers but he brings it every night. What great player doesn't have turnovers. I said he needs to play more minutes. You are in denial if you think we can win with him off the floor. Further more we were up 5 at the 8 min mark of the first half. He was subbed out. Remember that! The game was lost then. We never regained the lead. Anyone with sense knows that our guards do a terrible job finding the poy. If not for greene we would be 0-4 rite now. If the coaches and players are not willing to get him more than four touches a game then shame on them. You say nothing about the other turnovers in the games. What about the passes that end up blown layups. Do you see that. Guyton and porrini had four each. Say something. They aren't doubled and triple teamed.

First, if you think we lost this game in the first half, you have lost ALL credibility. Second, he had more than 4 touches. 4 shots + 6 turnovers = 10 touches minimum. Not to mention the touches he had where he didn't shoot or turn it over. In the instance where he was subbed out, you don't know that JG didn't ask for a blow. Maybe he was winded. Lastly, OU trapped and doubled our guards at the top of the key all night trying to force the ball out of their hands. So I am not sure what you are talking about there.

I have a question for you danny and anyone else out there. How many games would kent win the rest of the year without greene? Think about it. We can't as a team go on the road and our poy only gets four touches. Sendy did a terrible coaching job. I don't think he has control of this team. If he wants to be a great coach he better learn how to coach talent. He won't have many 1000pt,700 reb,ten times mac east pow. If he is getting four shot attempts then our offense is not inside out. You think our three pt shooting is that good? Danny we shot 20 percent from three.

(01-19-2012 12:37 AM)j williams Wrote:  I have a question for you danny and anyone else out there. How many games would kent win the rest of the year without greene? Think about it. We can't as a team go on the road and our poy only gets four touches. Sendy did a terrible coaching job. I don't think he has control of this team. If he wants to be a great coach he better learn how to coach talent. He won't have many 1000pt,700 reb,ten times mac east pow. If he is getting four shot attempts then our offense is not inside out. You think our three pt shooting is that good? Danny we shot 20 percent from three.

Do you even read my replies?

I know so much more about this team it would make your head spin. And no he did not ask for a blow. Trust me.

I said from the start it was a bad coaching job. If they are trapping our guards then coach has to make adjustments. Its not rocket science.[/i]

(01-19-2012 12:37 AM)j williams Wrote:  I have a question for you danny and anyone else out there. How many games would kent win the rest of the year without greene? Think about it. We can't as a team go on the road and our poy only gets four touches. Sendy did a terrible coaching job. I don't think he has control of this team. If he wants to be a great coach he better learn how to coach talent. He won't have many 1000pt,700 reb,ten times mac east pow. If he is getting four shot attempts then our offense is not inside out. You think our three pt shooting is that good? Danny we shot 20 percent from three.

We didn't make shots tonight. Nothing changed. JG got thrown the ball plenty of times. He made shots when he wasn't throwing the ball away. Otherwise, he passed out of the double team. If I had the game DVR'd I would go back and watch it and tell you how many touches he had and a % of touches to turnovers. Either way, you can't keep feeding the ball to a guy that turns it over every other time he touches it. (Or every 3rd time)