one or two or even three (see Lebron's MIAMI) great players do not beat teams....in a 40 minute game with the college pace, and shot clock, you need a long bench...it would not be a contest and the June, July August September individual and team workouts, weight room, October, November and December practices, film sessions, reviews of scouting reports, and games at the college level is a HUGE advantage over h.s. kids who just roll the ball out and the best team wins....

to even think this simeon bunch has 10-12 guys to match up against a college roster is silly. Size, strength, speed, experience, coaching, all go to NIU....the defense that this team puts on is starting to impress.....they peed down their leg against Depaul's press or they might have won that game....soon they will be ready to handle the press but NIU would have runs versus any high school team equal to the 17-0 the demons put up against the huskies....

5 high school kids have NO idea how this game is played at this level.....sure, you can insert one or two very talented frosh players (after months of preparation before their first college game during the summer and fall of the freshman year) into a lineup with other, experienced players and they can succeed--like Conley and Oden....but if you put those great players in a game with three other high school teammates, fuggedaboutit

It is a good thing that Hurd was arrested. You guys that think a high school program cound beat a D1 school are high. Time to sober up.

Did Barksdale put you guys up to this? You cant real think a high school team can beat a D1 team. That it, Barksdale needs to go.

So is Barksdale transferring to Simeon?

That what I hear from a guy that said he knows Barksdale from law school.

(12-15-2011 05:23 PM)needhoops Wrote:  It is a good thing that Hurd was arrested. You guys that think a high school program cound beat a D1 school are high. Time to sober up.

Did Barksdale put you guys up to this? You cant real think a high school team can beat a D1 team. That it, Barksdale needs to go.

A great HS team can beat a D3 team, and a D3 team beat us, so yes, a great HS team can beat a D1 team.

(12-18-2011 06:20 AM)Rock Bottom Wrote:  

(12-15-2011 05:23 PM)needhoops Wrote:  It is a good thing that Hurd was arrested. You guys that think a high school program cound beat a D1 school are high. Time to sober up.

Did Barksdale put you guys up to this? You cant real think a high school team can beat a D1 team. That it, Barksdale needs to go.

A great HS team can beat a D3 team, and a D3 team beat us, so yes, a great HS team can beat a D1 team.

hahah no offense to Simeon but any d1 team would win by 50 including the huskies...silliness

(12-18-2011 10:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-18-2011 06:20 AM)Rock Bottom Wrote:  

(12-15-2011 05:23 PM)needhoops Wrote:  It is a good thing that Hurd was arrested. You guys that think a high school program cound beat a D1 school are high. Time to sober up.

Did Barksdale put you guys up to this? You cant real think a high school team can beat a D1 team. That it, Barksdale needs to go.

A great HS team can beat a D3 team, and a D3 team beat us, so yes, a great HS team can beat a D1 team.

hahah no offense to Simeon but any d1 team would win by 50 including the huskies...silliness

I would have agreed with you before knowing that this Huskie team lost to Carthage. Do you REALLY believe that Simeon can't beat Carthage?

(12-19-2011 12:38 AM)Rock Bottom Wrote:  I would have agreed with you before knowing that this Huskie team lost to Carthage. Do you REALLY believe that Simeon can't beat Carthage?

Are you that clueless about exhibition games? Seriously?
First off, D-I teams are known to lose exhibition games to lower levels. Michigan State and Syracuse were two huge "upsets" recently. Butler this year as well. How does it happen?
Because the D-I teams DO NOT treat it as a real game. It is more like a practice. They try a bunch of different things with different combinations of players. They don't sub normally or coach the same way, etc.

Throw in that it was MM's first exhibition game with guys he didn't really know as players yet where Carthage knew all their players, they knew their rotation, and subbed like a real game. Their players knew each other and knew their system. Unlike NIU's players at that time. There were so many factors that led to the end result - and overall I doubt the NIU staff really cared if a game that doesn't count on the record or count for anything at all was a "loss". NIU would not lose to Carthage in a real game. Two years ago even Patton's team beat a Carthage team with a stud player that was much better than this year's Carthage team. Our NIU guys knew the system and each other and that alone was enough to beat a D-III team. Get a clue.

It's the fact that an argument exists that is most frightening. It SHOULD be a no-brainer to ALL...and it's not.
We start (or have started) 3 freshman...months removed from their prep days.

Stop talkin D-1 this, D-1 that. We are D-1 in name only. We may be the worst D-1 in America..for real. You don't suit up with a D-1 on your chest and immediately play like one.

I submit that in two years, this argument will be a laugher..ASSUMING, we don't have a mass exodus. This bunch now...as in RIGHT now...make any argument interesting.

I further submit...if this insane topic became a reality and the game was actually scheduled ( bear w me)...

Every NIU fan (in private), coach (in private) and player (in private) would be worried. Over confidence would kill them, btw.

(12-19-2011 10:14 AM)High On NIU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-19-2011 12:38 AM)Rock Bottom Wrote:  I would have agreed with you before knowing that this Huskie team lost to Carthage. Do you REALLY believe that Simeon can't beat Carthage?

Are you that clueless about exhibition games? Seriously?
First off, D-I teams are known to lose exhibition games to lower levels. Michigan State and Syracuse were two huge "upsets" recently. Butler this year as well. How does it happen?
Because the D-I teams DO NOT treat it as a real game. It is more like a practice. They try a bunch of different things with different combinations of players. They don't sub normally or coach the same way, etc.

Throw in that it was MM's first exhibition game with guys he didn't really know as players yet where Carthage knew all their players, they knew their rotation, and subbed like a real game. Their players knew each other and knew their system. Unlike NIU's players at that time. There were so many factors that led to the end result - and overall I doubt the NIU staff really cared if a game that doesn't count on the record or count for anything at all was a "loss". NIU would not lose to Carthage in a real game. Two years ago even Patton's team beat a Carthage team with a stud player that was much better than this year's Carthage team. Our NIU guys knew the system and each other and that alone was enough to beat a D-III team. Get a clue.

Yes, I'm well aware that it was an exhibition game - but there's still no excuse for a loss to a D3 team unless you suck - and this season is proving that that loss to Carthage wasn't because we treated it as an exhibition game. So it is you who needs to get a clue. Look at our record - that's a GIGANTIC clue for you. And for the record, I'm NOT saying NIU would lose to Simeon, but if Simeon played Carthage I'd bet $100 on Simeon, and while we'd beat Simeon I don't think it would be a cakewalk for us.

It would be a cake walk, a tap dance, river dance, You just need to stop. They could not hang, or bang with us. Our D would be to much. Our ball movement would be to much. No high school team is ready for all those picks. Just stop. Just stop. They would get out rebound. We play 10 deep. They can not go that deep. Just Stop.

(12-15-2011 03:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-15-2011 03:20 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(12-15-2011 03:04 PM)needhoops Wrote:  Tonight on espn there are high school games on. Watch how slow they are and watch the ball movement. NO HIGH SCHOOL TEAM CAN MATCH UP WITH A D1 program.

So how do you think Barksdale would match up against NIU basketball team. Would he stay on the court or would he leave.

Oh, I think if he played for NIU, he would definitely stay on the court. But, at halftime, he would transfer to the other team.

Barksdale vs. the hurricane. Who wins?

You guys act like Barksdale is at the same level as Coach Ditka. Barksdale could hang if da Coach was helping him.