templefan.....you're still ignoring the main point of my posts (diminishing returns). How is the Big East going to maximize television revenues with 2 basketball teams in Philadelphia? It's hard enough to get "fair" coverage for all teams in a 16 (assuming) team league. I know our b-ball program is historically bad so you can stop beating that dead horse now. We've been told that it's not all about results on the field, it's about expanding the league. Should I assume that doesn't apply to Temple basketball. If Temple b-ball was / is so great what kept them out of the BE in the past??? The Big East will always be at the top of the food chain in men's basketball with or without Temple, always has been and probably always will be.

(10-11-2011 10:35 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  If Temple b-ball was / is so great what kept them out of the BE in the past???

One name: Villanova

Not knocking UH here, but is anybody really sure what their football will be like after this year? They lose a lot of offense this year.

Advice to ECU, stay where you are, Yhe Big East is toast.

(10-11-2011 10:35 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  templefan.....you're still ignoring the main point of my posts (diminishing returns). How is the Big East going to maximize television revenues with 2 basketball teams in Philadelphia? It's hard enough to get "fair" coverage for all teams in a 16 (assuming) team league. I know our b-ball program is historically bad so you can stop beating that dead horse now. We've been told that it's not all about results on the field, it's about expanding the league. Should I assume that doesn't apply to Temple basketball. If Temple b-ball was / is so great what kept them out of the BE in the past??? The Big East will always be at the top of the food chain in men's basketball with or without Temple, always has been and probably always will be.

Wow, really? This is not just a basketball issue!!! We were talking about all-sports membership right? The whole picture!!! Temple is located in he 4th largest media market and the BE just lost their only PA team for football. The BE would be gaining media $$$ by inviting Temple for football, which would probably cancel out the money "lost" by having two BE Philadelphia basketball teams. Keep in mind that Philly has 6 D1 basketball teams and that their is enough interest to have fans for all the teams...

We aren't comparing ECU football to Temple football. We aren't comparing ECU basketball to Temple basketball. We are comparing Temple all-sports to ECU all-sports. Temple all-sports seems to benefit the BE schools more, especially because it brings in a strong basketball school to replace one of the ones it just lost. That is why it seems the rest of the schools are on board with this...

Ohhh, and the reason Temple was not in the BE before for basketball was because Villanova blocked them...

(10-11-2011 10:38 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 10:35 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  If Temple b-ball was / is so great what kept them out of the BE in the past???

One name: Villanova

I am old so I could be completely misremembering things like Roger Clemens, but I was under the impression that Temple didn't want to be all-sports in the Big East back in the 90's because they liked their A10 rivalries.

(10-11-2011 10:50 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 10:38 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 10:35 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  If Temple b-ball was / is so great what kept them out of the BE in the past???

One name: Villanova

I am old so I could be completely misremembering things like Roger Clemens, but I was under the impression that Temple didn't want to be all-sports in the Big East back in the 90's because they liked their A10 rivalries.

Nope, Temple was blocked by Villanova...

Folks, its a lot easier to field a good basketball team than it is to build a football program. You need far far less players and support. Just look at the cinderella story runs. ECU could easily start fielding NCAA tournament teams year in and year out. Plus all our other sports are good and have better facilities than most in the Big East

http://www.pirateradio1250.com/pod/brian...101011.mp3

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Not taking a football only.

(10-11-2011 09:35 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 07:51 AM)LuDawg Wrote:  I'm confident that the Pirates could get their sports into another league, especially if Temple takes an all-sports invite. That opens up a slot in the A-10.

A huge downgrade for the A-10 to replace Temple basketball with ECU basketball. I'm not completely sure the A-10 isn't going the way of an all Catholic league anyway. The way things are playing out for the Big East, I doubt they have room for a Xavier or a Richmond or a Dayton, if the hybrid conference freakshow existence maintains itself.

A few angles worth noting:

-The New York Times has Charlotte, GW, Richmond courted by the CAA while VCU/GMU are being courted by the A10. There is a tug of war going on here between both the CAA and A10

-The JMU AD reported that a new conference with Appalachian St, JMU, ODU, Delaware, Marshall and Ohio is very likely to happen.

I would think it would make sense for East Carolina and Georgia State to be part of this mix. That would save a lot of travel costs and be better for Pirate fans.

I: Delaware, Ohio, Marshall, JMU, ODU, Appy, ECU, Georgia State

If you look at this mix, JMU is talking about going to 50,000 seats, Appy is already drawing 25k, Delaware plans for 30,000, ODU has a design for 35,000. Ohio just announced a new IPF.

(10-11-2011 11:02 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 09:35 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 07:51 AM)LuDawg Wrote:  I'm confident that the Pirates could get their sports into another league, especially if Temple takes an all-sports invite. That opens up a slot in the A-10.

A huge downgrade for the A-10 to replace Temple basketball with ECU basketball. I'm not completely sure the A-10 isn't going the way of an all Catholic league anyway. The way things are playing out for the Big East, I doubt they have room for a Xavier or a Richmond or a Dayton, if the hybrid conference freakshow existence maintains itself.

A few angles worth noting:

-The New York Times has Charlotte, GW, Richmond courted by the CAA while VCU/GMU are being courted by the A10. There is a tug of war going on here between both the CAA and A10

-The JMU AD reported that a new conference with Appalachian St, JMU, ODU, Delaware, Marshall and Ohio is very likely to happen.

I would think it would make sense for East Carolina and Georgia State to be part of this mix. That would save a lot of travel costs and be better for Pirate fans.

I: Delaware, Ohio, Marshall, JMU, ODU, Appy, ECU, Georgia State

If you look at this mix, JMU is talking about going to 50,000 seats, Appy is already drawing 25k, Delaware plans for 30,000, ODU has a design for 35,000. Ohio just announced a new IPF.

Get this straight. ECU wants nothing to do with that.
This has nothing to do with Ohio U.
This has no place in a Big East expansion discussion.

(10-11-2011 09:42 AM)LuDawg Wrote:  6 Schools on ESPN scrolling ticker as of 10:30am: ECU, UCF, Temple, Army, Navy, AF.

If that ends up being the grouping, then I would have gotten them all; except I had Villanova instead of Army. I figure UCF, ECU and Temple will be for all sports which will make for tight geography except for the trip to Colorado for football. It kind of sounds like the Big East actually maybe concerned about being East.

(10-11-2011 10:02 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  Not to be mean but why would ECU get a basketball invite? Football I understand but basketball? I do not understand why they would get one. Why are you all so sure you would get an all sorts invite?

Couple of reasons.......we're showing a commitment to basketball (just extended Lebo's contract, 15 million dollar practice facility plans, boosted our basketball budget in terms of providing chartered flights for mid-week contests, recruiting, etc), we have a lot of potential/upside (the fact that we aren't any where close to a powerhouse program is a good thing, don't see the Big East wanting/needing another powerhouse hoops program.). And I heard a lot of the Big East schools think highly of Jeff Lebo. So I think we have the right coach in place.

Don't know if we will get an all-sports invite. (don't know if we will get a football only invite). I do know that we would be a perfect "bridge" between the north east and Florida, as a far as a location. We are exactly halfway between New York and Florida. It would make it very easy for a north east school to stop and play us on a Thursday (as an example), then proceed down to Florida to play USF/UCF.

I still see nothing that would lead me to believe that the leadership of the BE is going to do anything different than its last expansion. I hope I am wrong...but...I fully expect to see ECU be left out again due to the TV market issue.

(10-11-2011 11:20 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 09:42 AM)LuDawg Wrote:  6 Schools on ESPN scrolling ticker as of 10:30am: ECU, UCF, Temple, Army, Navy, AF.

If that ends up being the grouping, the I would have gotten them all; except I had Villanov instead of Army. I figure UCF, ECU and Temple will be fo all sports which will make for tight geography for all sports except football. It kind of sounds like the Big East actually maybe concerned about being East.

JMO.....don't see both Villanova and Temple playing football in the Big East. It would be one or the other. Army seems to be the longest shot of the Academies. (unless Navy and Air Force can talk them into it)

ECU, UCF, Temple, Navy (football only), Air Force (football only), and one other. Perhaps someone in Texas (football only) or Boise (football only). That would give the Big East the BCS points bump they are looking for. Good markets, good brands.....you get a bit of everything with that group. Also bridge some current geography, and reinforce some existing markets. JMO.

(10-11-2011 11:22 AM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 10:02 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  Not to be mean but why would ECU get a basketball invite? Football I understand but basketball? I do not understand why they would get one. Why are you all so sure you would get an all sorts invite?

Couple of reasons.......we're showing a commitment to basketball (just extended Lebo's contract, 15 million dollar practice facility plans, boosted our basketball budget in terms of providing chartered flights for mid-week contests, recruiting, etc), we have a lot of potential/upside (the fact that we aren't any where close to a powerhouse program is a good thing, don't see the Big East wanting/needing another powerhouse hoops program.). And I heard a lot of the Big East schools think highly of Jeff Lebo. So I think we have the right coach in place.

Don't know if we will get an all-sports invite. (don't know if we will get a football only invite). I do know that we would be a perfect "bridge" between the north east and Florida, as a far as a location. We are exactly halfway between New York and Florida. It would make it very easy for a north east school to stop and play us on a Thursday (as an example), then proceed down to Florida to play USF/UCF.

Cool. I did not mean it in disrespect. Boise is in the same boat where we are trying to grow in hoops as well. I think ECU should take a football only invite and play hoops in another conference for a few years. I think the improved budget helps the basketball team gel and grow much quicker in a smaller hoops conference before moving into the blender. Plus it is the Big East we are talking about. Who is to say the basketball only schools will not split in a year or 2 anyways?

(10-11-2011 11:23 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I still see nothing that would lead me to believe that the leadership of the BE is going to do anything different than its last expansion. I hope I am wrong...but...I fully expect to see ECU be left out again due to the TV market issue.

Troll alert.

(10-11-2011 11:13 AM)Oh Really? Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 11:02 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 09:35 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 07:51 AM)LuDawg Wrote:  I'm confident that the Pirates could get their sports into another league, especially if Temple takes an all-sports invite. That opens up a slot in the A-10.

A huge downgrade for the A-10 to replace Temple basketball with ECU basketball. I'm not completely sure the A-10 isn't going the way of an all Catholic league anyway. The way things are playing out for the Big East, I doubt they have room for a Xavier or a Richmond or a Dayton, if the hybrid conference freakshow existence maintains itself.

A few angles worth noting:

-The New York Times has Charlotte, GW, Richmond courted by the CAA while VCU/GMU are being courted by the A10. There is a tug of war going on here between both the CAA and A10

-The JMU AD reported that a new conference with Appalachian St, JMU, ODU, Delaware, Marshall and Ohio is very likely to happen.

I would think it would make sense for East Carolina and Georgia State to be part of this mix. That would save a lot of travel costs and be better for Pirate fans.

I: Delaware, Ohio, Marshall, JMU, ODU, Appy, ECU, Georgia State

If you look at this mix, JMU is talking about going to 50,000 seats, Appy is already drawing 25k, Delaware plans for 30,000, ODU has a design for 35,000. Ohio just announced a new IPF.

This has nothing to do with Ohio U.
This has no place in a Big East expansion discussion.

You are incorrect.

Ohio is looking to either add these schools to the MAC or join them in another confernce. Ohio is the charter member of the MAC and would be the charter of a new conference if it were to happen.

ECU doesn't look like its getting into the Big East. Not even as a football only. This is mostly due to the football team tanking this season. Ohio U. would clean your clock in every sport.

(10-11-2011 11:29 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 11:22 AM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 10:02 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  Not to be mean but why would ECU get a basketball invite? Football I understand but basketball? I do not understand why they would get one. Why are you all so sure you would get an all sorts invite?

Couple of reasons.......we're showing a commitment to basketball (just extended Lebo's contract, 15 million dollar practice facility plans, boosted our basketball budget in terms of providing chartered flights for mid-week contests, recruiting, etc), we have a lot of potential/upside (the fact that we aren't any where close to a powerhouse program is a good thing, don't see the Big East wanting/needing another powerhouse hoops program.). And I heard a lot of the Big East schools think highly of Jeff Lebo. So I think we have the right coach in place.

Don't know if we will get an all-sports invite. (don't know if we will get a football only invite). I do know that we would be a perfect "bridge" between the north east and Florida, as a far as a location. We are exactly halfway between New York and Florida. It would make it very easy for a north east school to stop and play us on a Thursday (as an example), then proceed down to Florida to play USF/UCF.

Cool. I did not mean it in disrespect. Boise is in the same boat where we are trying to grow in hoops as well. I think ECU should take a football only invite and play hoops in another conference for a few years. I think the improved budget helps the basketball team gel and grow much quicker in a smaller hoops conference before moving into the blender. Plus it is the Big East we are talking about. Who is to say the basketball only schools will not split in a year or 2 anyways?

I see no reason why we wouldn't take a football only invite. I don't see the basketball only schools splitting. My gut is telling me that ESPN has told that group that they wouldn't make any more money (maybe even get a smaller contract) by splitting and adding Dayton/Xavier/Butler, etc. My thinking is that they now know they need the football side to maximize their TV contract. Because they gave the authorization to allow the football side to expand to 12. Keeping ties with UConn and Louisville and WVU is where the most value is.

I always thought ECU had the best chances to get in if either they split and formed a 12 team all sports league. OR some sort of 12/20 or 12/18 or even 12/16 arrangement was made, that included a couple of football only's. JMO.

(10-11-2011 11:38 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 11:13 AM)Oh Really? Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 11:02 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 09:35 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 07:51 AM)LuDawg Wrote:  I'm confident that the Pirates could get their sports into another league, especially if Temple takes an all-sports invite. That opens up a slot in the A-10.

A huge downgrade for the A-10 to replace Temple basketball with ECU basketball. I'm not completely sure the A-10 isn't going the way of an all Catholic league anyway. The way things are playing out for the Big East, I doubt they have room for a Xavier or a Richmond or a Dayton, if the hybrid conference freakshow existence maintains itself.

A few angles worth noting:

-The New York Times has Charlotte, GW, Richmond courted by the CAA while VCU/GMU are being courted by the A10. There is a tug of war going on here between both the CAA and A10

-The JMU AD reported that a new conference with Appalachian St, JMU, ODU, Delaware, Marshall and Ohio is very likely to happen.

I would think it would make sense for East Carolina and Georgia State to be part of this mix. That would save a lot of travel costs and be better for Pirate fans.

I: Delaware, Ohio, Marshall, JMU, ODU, Appy, ECU, Georgia State

If you look at this mix, JMU is talking about going to 50,000 seats, Appy is already drawing 25k, Delaware plans for 30,000, ODU has a design for 35,000. Ohio just announced a new IPF.

This has nothing to do with Ohio U.
This has no place in a Big East expansion discussion.

You are incorrect.

Ohio is looking to either add these schools to the MAC or join them in another confernce. Ohio is the charter member of the MAC and would be the charter of a new conference if it were to happen.

ECU doesn't look like its getting into the Big East. Not even as a football only. This is mostly due to the football team tanking this season. Ohio U. would clean your clock in every sport.

I feel confident we can beat you in baseball. Not sure how that's relevant to expansion though?