(06-19-2011 09:54 AM)NIU05 Wrote: US Government owns the mortgage companies, is in the process of taking over another 15% of economy with Obama care, and owns 33% of GM and there are knuckle heads who think we live in a capitalistic society? Some people even believe we have a laissez-faire type economy and it could not be further from the truth. Our education system is much worse than I was lead to believe.
Sunny, Iran! Where you don't have to do any of your own thinking! We do it all for you!
Um, isn't Iran essentially run by the Clerics? You know, the Religous right? You know, conservatives. What am I missing here?
Sure.
It's also a totalitarian regime in a command economy. You know, just do as you're told by Big Brother, and everything will be just fine. Granted, they're so far right they've circle back around on the left, but there it is.
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Must suck not being able to defend your President's record on the economy, or the extra war he started, or the unemployment, or the exponential increase in debt, etc. Yep, must suck that the only thing you have left is to attack a conservative sub group. Talk about a pathetic life. BTW, what's the misery index up to?
(06-19-2011 01:18 PM)Rebel Wrote: Must suck not being able to defend your President's record on the economy, or the extra war he started, or the unemployment, or the exponential increase in debt, etc. Yep, must suck that the only thing you have left is to attack a conservative sub group. Talk about a pathetic life. BTW, what's the misery index up to?
Depends on how many more of your posts we have to read.
(06-19-2011 01:18 PM)Rebel Wrote: Must suck not being able to defend your President's record on the economy, or the extra war he started, or the unemployment, or the exponential increase in debt, etc. Yep, must suck that the only thing you have left is to attack a conservative sub group. Talk about a pathetic life. BTW, what's the misery index up to?
This.
TOGC is like so many ignorant liberals in that they can't have reasoned and logical debate because if they did it would show them to be wrong. So they insult and call names then pat themselves on the back thinking they've done something.
Don't suffer fools Reb. Just laugh at them.
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(06-19-2011 01:18 PM)Rebel Wrote: Must suck not being able to defend your President's record on the economy, or the extra war he started, or the unemployment, or the exponential increase in debt, etc. Yep, must suck that the only thing you have left is to attack a conservative sub group. Talk about a pathetic life. BTW, what's the misery index up to?
This.
TOGC is like so many ignorant liberals in that they can't have reasoned and logical debate because if they did it would show them to be wrong. So they insult and call names then pat themselves on the back thinking they've done something.
Don't suffer fools Reb. Just laugh at them.
We can have a logical debate with those who actually use logic. It is a waste of time arguing with those that use no logic such as yourself, Rebs, SOAF, Paul etc.
(06-19-2011 09:32 AM)TOGC Wrote: I voted against banning same-sex marriages when it was on the ballot. How did you vote?
You are a bigot. Using a homosexual slur as a name for a political movement that you disagree with is still bigotry. So, voting against banning same sex marriages gives you a license to hurl homosexual slurs? I'm not sure what state you live in, maybe Tennessee, but your vote wouldn't mean squat unless you lived in a state where it could have made an actual difference. Voting for a cause that you know will lose at the ballot box is nothing more than a way for you to feel good about yourself without making a difference. Congratulations...
I vote for what I believe in. Banning same-sex marriages is wrong and I would've voted that way no matter which state it was in. It just so happens that I live in a state with a bunch of retarded conservatives (of course, that's being redundant).
A conservative calling a liberal "bigot" is the height of hypocrisy.
I'll ask again. Does being a liberal and voting in favor of same sex marriage give you the right to use homosexual slurs?
You are woefully inept about the history of the progressive movement. The father of the progressive movement, Woodrow Wilson, was a famous racist and staunchly believed in Jim Crow Laws. He also believed that the film "Birth of a Nation" accurately portrayed the times and was a huge fan of the film. The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a staunch abortion rights advocate. However, her views on abortion rights was not restricted to just "empowering" women. She thought of abortion as a useful tool for the eugenics movement. Her beliefs were that there were differences in the races, specifically that blacks were inferior to whites, and she placed the majority of her clinics around minority communities in an attempt to control the black population. Also, this progressive believed in forced sterilization of people who she felt were not worthy enough to reproduce. These are but 2 examples of progressive pioneers who were racist elitist scum.
(06-19-2011 01:35 PM)RobertN Wrote: We can have a logical debate with those who actually use logic. It is a waste of time arguing with those that use no logic such as yourself, Rebs, SOAF, Paul etc.
To do so Robert one must understand what logic is. You have no such understanding, ergo you have no ability to participate in it.
For years I and others have confronted you time and time again with facts, figures and logic. We've begged you to actually provide evidence to back up your claims. You either ignore the request because you can't/don't know how to back it up, or what you provide as "evidence" in no way backs up the argument you attempt to make. From there you do your drive by postings, calling people stupid or making fun of them. You, like TOGC, are a typical liberal.
You can delude yourself into believing you use logic in your posts Robert. But there is not an impartial person around who would look at your posts, compare them to mine or the other conservatives on this forum, and come away thinking you are the intellectual among us.
These are the facts, and they cannot be disputed.
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(06-19-2011 01:35 PM)miko33 Wrote: The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a staunch abortion rights advocate. However, her views on abortion rights was not restricted to just "empowering" women. She thought of abortion as a useful tool for the eugenics movement. Her beliefs were that there were differences in the races, specifically that blacks were inferior to whites, and she placed the majority of her clinics around minority communities in an attempt to control the black population. Also, this progressive believed in forced sterilization of people who she felt were not worthy enough to reproduce. These are but 2 examples of progressive pioneers who were racist elitist scum.
Margaret is one of Mach's personal heros for exactly what you list above. Especially the forced sterilization.
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(06-19-2011 01:18 PM)Rebel Wrote: Must suck not being able to defend your President's record on the economy, or the extra war he started, or the unemployment, or the exponential increase in debt, etc. Yep, must suck that the only thing you have left is to attack a conservative sub group. Talk about a pathetic life. BTW, what's the misery index up to?
This.
TOGC is like so many ignorant liberals in that they can't have reasoned and logical debate because if they did it would show them to be wrong. So they insult and call names then pat themselves on the back thinking they've done something.
Don't suffer fools Reb. Just laugh at them.
We can have a logical debate with those who actually use logic. It is a waste of time arguing with those that use no logic such as yourself, Rebs, SOAF, Paul etc.
Yea, let's compare the company I would keep to the company you keep.
SOAF= 9er, Reb, Steve, Paul, NG
Roberta= Simpletom, Mack, theotherChit4brains, ChickenHawk, PeaWeeWEEWEE, aTx, along with your Obabba lefters Memphis, Illinois useful idiots. The company you keep.
I'll take my group every day and twice on Sundays.
(06-19-2011 01:18 PM)Rebel Wrote: Must suck not being able to defend your President's record on the economy, or the extra war he started, or the unemployment, or the exponential increase in debt, etc. Yep, must suck that the only thing you have left is to attack a conservative sub group. Talk about a pathetic life. BTW, what's the misery index up to?
This.
TOGC is like so many ignorant liberals in that they can't have reasoned and logical debate because if they did it would show them to be wrong. So they insult and call names then pat themselves on the back thinking they've done something.
Don't suffer fools Reb. Just laugh at them.
We can have a logical debate with those who actually use logic. It is a waste of time arguing with those that use no logic such as yourself, Rebs, SOAF, Paul etc.
Yea, let's compare the company I would keep to the company you keep.
SOAF= 9er, Reb, Steve, Paul, NG
Roberta= Simpletom, Mack, theotherChit4brains, ChickenHawk, PeaWeeWEEWEE, aTx, along with your Obabba lefters Memphis, Illinois useful idiots. The company you keep.
I'll take my group every day and twice on Sundays.
Of course you would take them over us. You morons always stick together.
Btw, I wouldn't put aTX in with us in the political sense. He wouldn't be with you in the political sense either. He is somewhere in between.
I'll give it a few chuckle-worth points of parody. But aside from that, the clip is obviously deep into strawman territory as it applies the viewpoint of fringe anarchists to basically anyone right of center (to wit, loudly complaining about $14 trillion debt =/= desire for a complete absence of government). Would be similar to a clip suggesting that Pyongyang, North Korea a paradise for liberals.
Further, even the most ardent libertarians contend that one of the legitimate roles of government is to protect individuals from force/aggression from other individuals. Therefore, even a lawless 'anything goes' militia society of Somalia - which is constantly and erroneously held up as some example of libertarianism - doesn't fit that framework. In fact, see Point #1 of the handy-dandy chart.
