(06-20-2011 10:30 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 10:21 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 03:31 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  In every thread, you speak as if you are TU's spokesperson who speaks of the AD's vision. You are not.

I pay tuition. I'm a resident of Pennsylvania and pay taxes. My family donates a lot of money to Temple. My father teaches graduate law and business classes on occasion and is a Temple alum. I will say us if I want to say us. You will not tell me what to say, and have no right to tell me what to say. Thanks.

(06-20-2011 09:43 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  If you think Addazio is making the same as HC's at UCF and SMU, then that is one step of what I laid out. The rest still isn't happening, and quite frankly I would be very surprised if Addazio is making that much more than Golden was making. Do you realize how much SMU's HC makes? His base salary is just under $2 Million.

Did you even read my post? I said he doesn't make as much as Jones and O'Leary, but his salary is likely comparable to the rest of CUSA. We could pay Addazio pretty much whatever, but there is no reason to pay a MAC coach $2M. Dunphy's total package is around $750K-$800K. Does that mean we wouldn't be competitive in the BE because Jay Wright makes $2M? No.

You are speaking out of your ass...We could not pay Addazio "pretty much whatever". Temple has a very limited budget and the majority of that is institutional funding. Temple athletics is under huge pressure to start making some money on football and fundraising. To say that we could write a blank check is just plain wrong.

I meant within reason. I believe our HC salaries come mostly from donors, which I believe is how the new football staff is being paid.

(06-20-2011 01:13 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 10:21 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 03:31 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  In every thread, you speak as if you are TU's spokesperson who speaks of the AD's vision. You are not.

I pay tuition. I'm a resident of Pennsylvania and pay taxes. My family donates a lot of money to Temple. My father teaches graduate law and business classes on occasion and is a Temple alum. I will say us if I want to say us. You will not tell me what to say, and have no right to tell me what to say. Thanks.

Are you paid by the AD to state the positions of the leadership? No.

Listen to your fellow poster above.

Shove it.

The reasons why Temple is not being considered by the Big East:

Since leaving the Big East Temple-
- is 4-37 vs teams with winning records
- is 0-12 vs MAC teams with winning records (0-3 in 2010, out scored 85-43)
- is 0-1 in bowl games
- has never appeared in a MAC conference championship game
- has never won the MAC East out right.
- has poor attendance*

* Temple fans are quick to blame the MAC for their poor attendance numbers and think playing in the BE will magically lift them. The actual numbers, however, don't support it-

- attendance for UCONN at Temple, Sept 2010- 18,702
- attendance for BGSU at Temple, Oct 2010- 23,045

if Temple can't get more than 18k for a regional rivalry game against Big East foe UCONN when Temple is undefeated, coming off their best season in 30 years, is constantly over hyped by the media, and is pushing a Heisman campaign, then when will they? Heck, 24K people showed up in Athens, Ohio lat year to watch UCONN play a Bobcat team coming off a 4-8 season.

Temple has a better record now because the bottom of the MAC is worse than the bottom of the BE, or any other conference. Golden was a great marketer and salesman but a terrible game day coach, maybe the new guy will get you over the hump. Start showing up to the MACC every year for 5 or 6 years, and THEN you can start wondering aloud if the BE is watching. But until then... learn to walk before you run.

It's silly when fans blame the opponents for their bad attendance. Other MAC fans do this, too. The problem is not that their fans don't want to see (x) MAC team, it's that there aren't enough fans who want to see the home team. If the only time you have good attendance is when Big U comes to town, you have a fan base problem, not an opponent problem.

Toledo has picked up their first three commits:

QB Brian Blackburn
WR Armani Miller
OL James Henry


Blackburn's the big commitment. He's a 3 star prospect, 6-6 and 215 pounds, with offers from a few MAC programs. He threw for 2,234 yards and 20 TD's, while rushing for 1,049 yards and 10TD's last year as a junior at Detroit Crockett Vocational School.

(06-23-2011 10:43 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Toledo has picked up their first three commits:

QB Brian Blackburn
WR Armani Miller
OL James Henry


Blackburn's the big commitment. He's a 3 star prospect, 6-6 and 215 pounds, with offers from a few MAC programs. He threw for 2,234 yards and 20 TD's, while rushing for 1,049 yards and 10TD's last year as a junior at Detroit Crockett Vocational School.

I'm not sure how much this has to do with Blackburn's commit but CMU just got a commitment from QB Cooper Rush a few days ago. Rivals calls him "Arguably the top Quarterback in the Class of 2012 ..." I don't follow recruiting all that much but that was their statement. CMU has done pretty good with MI's top HS QBs in the last couple of years; but I don't know what that says about our crop of QB's in the state.

(06-23-2011 10:43 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Toledo has picked up their first three commits:

QB Brian Blackburn
WR Armani Miller
OL James Henry


Blackburn's the big commitment. He's a 3 star prospect, 6-6 and 215 pounds, with offers from a few MAC programs. He threw for 2,234 yards and 20 TD's, while rushing for 1,049 yards and 10TD's last year as a junior at Detroit Crockett Vocational School.

I'm by no means an expert, and admittedly I've only watched Blackburn's highlight tape, but I really don't think he will be a good D-1 QB. That being said, he's athletic and I'm sure he will find a position at this level that he will be a contributor at. My 2 cents...

On a similar note... Is the kid the switched his verbal from CMU to Toledo a year or two ago still playing QB? Macon I think his name was? Blackburn kind of reminds me of him, athletic and a good football player, but lacking the tools to be a QB at the FBS level.

(06-23-2011 11:03 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(06-23-2011 10:43 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Toledo has picked up their first three commits:

QB Brian Blackburn
WR Armani Miller
OL James Henry


Blackburn's the big commitment. He's a 3 star prospect, 6-6 and 215 pounds, with offers from a few MAC programs. He threw for 2,234 yards and 20 TD's, while rushing for 1,049 yards and 10TD's last year as a junior at Detroit Crockett Vocational School.

I'm by no means an expert, and admittedly I've only watched Blackburn's highlight tape, but I really don't think he will be a good D-1 QB. That being said, he's athletic and I'm sure he will find a position at this level that he will be a contributor at. My 2 cents...

On a similar note... Is the kid the switched his verbal from CMU to Toledo a year or two ago still playing QB? Macon I think his name was? Blackburn kind of reminds me of him, athletic and a good football player, but lacking the tools to be a QB at the FBS level.

Scout has Blackburn rated as the # 1 QB in Michigan.

http://recruiting.scout.com/3/w2012MichiganSkill.html

Edit:
Forgot to mention that Macon will be a redshirt freshman this year. He is currently working as the #3 QB behind Austin Dantin and Terrance Owens. Macon looked very good in the spring game. I expect he will see the field from time to time, but his playing time may be limited this year because the QB's ahead of him are pretty good and more experienced.

Temple:

Washington, D.C. QB Ben Onett 6'3 215 4.64 40
Philadelphia, PA RB/CB Brandon Peoples 5'10 180 4.5 40
Norristown, PA CB Brandon Shippen 5'10 170 4.49 40
Stafford, VA CB/S Daquan Stewart 5'10 170 ~4.5 40
Philadelphia, PA WR Shakur Nesmith 6'5 190 4.41 40
Haddonfield, NJ DE Shabaz Ahmed 6'3 235
Langhorne, PA DE Kiser Terry 6'3 235

Temple off to a good start and not a peep out of FL yet.

(06-23-2011 06:46 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Temple off to a good start and not a peep out of FL yet.

Like I said, problem with that is we're going after too many high 3 stars from FL. Just lost on our first one to Syracuse. I imagine they'll go after some under-recruited people from FL after we miss out on those we've offered.

What sucks is MAC schools can get all the verbals they want, but we're 8 months away from signing day and a verbal means nothing until then. Once BCS schools come calling these verbals mean nada, so kids will make verbals just to have something to fall back.

(06-23-2011 06:57 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  What sucks is MAC schools can get all the verbals they want, but we're 8 months away from signing day and a verbal means nothing until then. Once BCS schools come calling these verbals mean nada, so kids will make verbals just to have something to fall back.

I can only think of one instance where this happened to us. Kid switched to UConn. Let's see if he ever plays.

(06-23-2011 11:03 AM)eich41 Wrote:  

(06-23-2011 10:43 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Toledo has picked up their first three commits:

QB Brian Blackburn
WR Armani Miller
OL James Henry


Blackburn's the big commitment. He's a 3 star prospect, 6-6 and 215 pounds, with offers from a few MAC programs. He threw for 2,234 yards and 20 TD's, while rushing for 1,049 yards and 10TD's last year as a junior at Detroit Crockett Vocational School.

I'm by no means an expert, and admittedly I've only watched Blackburn's highlight tape, but I really don't think he will be a good D-1 QB. That being said, he's athletic and I'm sure he will find a position at this level that he will be a contributor at. My 2 cents...

On a similar note... Is the kid the switched his verbal from CMU to Toledo a year or two ago still playing QB? Macon I think his name was? Blackburn kind of reminds me of him, athletic and a good football player, but lacking the tools to be a QB at the FBS level.

Blackburn reminds me of Brad Smith(Mizzou/NY Jets).

(06-23-2011 07:01 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(06-23-2011 06:57 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  What sucks is MAC schools can get all the verbals they want, but we're 8 months away from signing day and a verbal means nothing until then. Once BCS schools come calling these verbals mean nada, so kids will make verbals just to have something to fall back.

I can only think of one instance where this happened to us. Kid switched to UConn. Let's see if he ever plays.

I said that about Drew Astorino who verballed to Kent State because nobody bigger offered then at the last minute JoePa took a look at his tape and offered at Penn State. The kid has been starting for a few years there. Another was Zach Collaros who also verablled to Kent State and then chose Cincy when they came calling late...looks like it worked out for both kids. With no honor amongst coaches and then deciding not to back off those who have verbally committed, all they need to do is focus on 4 and 5 star kids and when they lose out to the top tier programs then focus on the 3 stars who have already verballed and are waiting on a bigger program.

(06-23-2011 06:53 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(06-23-2011 06:46 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Temple off to a good start and not a peep out of FL yet.

Like I said, problem with that is we're going after too many high 3 stars from FL. Just lost on our first one to Syracuse. I imagine they'll go after some under-recruited people from FL after we miss out on those we've offered.

To me it looks like he is working the "base" and will close late and strong with some FL kids.

BTW everyone offers everyone. A number of kids on the Rival/Scout boards offered by the MAC brethren signing with Alabama, Michigan, Florida we really were not recruiting most of those players. I assume that is the situation with Temple unless the kid gets to campus on a visit or camp that really is not relationship that is being developed and player that is being truly recruited.

Allen Trieu covers the state of Michigan for Scout.com and he is pretty knowledgeable. He believes that Blackburn is the top QB prospect in the state of Michigan because of his potential. Coming out of high school Terrance Owens was not highly recruited, but was highly recruited by Toledo because of his raw potential. He did pretty good filling in for Dantin last year as a redshirt freshman. You just never know how good a kid is going to be in college, but I would take a chance on a 6-6, 215 pound QB that has a lot of arm strength and good speed. Blackburn passed for over 2000 yards and rushed for over 1000 yards last season as a junior. If you watch his film you see his potential. Toledo's starter this year will likely be a sophomore or junior, so that gives Blackburn time to grow into that potential in his first year or two at Toledo.

(06-23-2011 09:23 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(06-23-2011 06:53 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(06-23-2011 06:46 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Temple off to a good start and not a peep out of FL yet.

Like I said, problem with that is we're going after too many high 3 stars from FL. Just lost on our first one to Syracuse. I imagine they'll go after some under-recruited people from FL after we miss out on those we've offered.

To me it looks like he is working the "base" and will close late and strong with some FL kids.

BTW everyone offers everyone. A number of kids on the Rival/Scout boards offered by the MAC brethren signing with Alabama, Michigan, Florida we really were not recruiting most of those players. I assume that is the situation with Temple unless the kid gets to campus on a visit or camp that really is not relationship that is being developed and player that is being truly recruited.

For the FL kids, yes, but not for the kids from MD, NJ and PA.

Ohio signs a OG (Troy Watson) over offers from seven MAC schools.

Toledo
Akron
Miami
Kent State
Bowling Green
Ball State
Eastern Michigan

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard...&PID=30927

In recent years Ohio has placed more emphasis in winning MAC recruiting battles. The Bobcats beat out the Rockets something like 8 times head-to-head battles last season.

(06-24-2011 10:24 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Ohio signs a OG (Troy Watson) over offers from seven MAC schools.

Toledo
Akron
Miami
Kent State
Bowling Green
Ball State
Eastern Michigan

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard...&PID=30927

In recent years Ohio has placed more emphasis in winning MAC recruiting battles. The Bobcats beat out the Rockets something like 8 times head-to-head battles last season.

Well, they won the recruiting battles- the Rockets have won something like the last twelve head-to-head ACTUAL battles. Which certainly makes one wonder about the value of winning the recruiting battles.

(06-07-2011 12:54 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  The Chips seem to be leading the way with 7 instate verbals. I wondered how it's going with the rest of the Conference?

The Chips have achieved dominance in Michigan for signing MAC level players. That started with Brian Kelly and moved forward with Butch Jones and Dan Enos.

Western really needs to take advantage of instate recruits these next couple of years while Central is rebuilding. If they cannot, and Cubit goes out the door it may be impossible to get back even with central in the recruiting race.

However if Enos falls on his face for a couple of seasons then Western certainly has a chance.