There has been, supposedly, credible word that the NCAA went to the Indy HS that Mike Chandler attended to find out why he left the school so late in the year. They were also looking into some stuff involving Greg Oden.

The beat writer that just did a "hatchett-job" piece on UCF/Donnie Jones put out a story today saying he'd been duped via a fake twitter account, supposedly belonging to Brandon Bender, that, in the writer's own words, is actually run by a UL fan.

It has become pretty public knowledge that the Forde and NYTimes stories both left out some very relevant details, (Caldwell's long-time relationship with UCF pg AJ Rompza, Caldwell's son attends UCF).

Bottom line; Bender and Caldwell certainly come off as shady, but there is nothing out there that gives any indications that have received money from UCF or have paid money to the recruits in question on behalf of UCF. Guys like these are all over the place and almost every program out there has people outside of the employ/direct relationship to the University that "steer" recruits their way.

We'll see how this develops...

(05-03-2011 08:47 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-03-2011 12:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Why are you guys just salivating so much at the idea of UCF having problems? Furthermore, why is this in the expansion forum?

You want to know why?

The fans of other wannabee schools are salivating because they see an opportunity for their school to benefit at the expense of UCF. You should have been bright enough to have figured that for yourself out long ago, which doesn't speak well of your analytical skills...

Really? I've known Jamie. It's what's called rhetorical which doesn't speak much for your critical thinking skills. But I'm sure since I'm commenting back from what You said you'll misuse your moderator powers again.

I'll I'm saying About the recruiting scandal is that of it's true then we need to pay the piper, but these allegations have only surfaced from the 3 recruits both Louisville and us were recruiting and "won". There's bound to be more if this I'd true, yet the focus and impetus was derived from the outrage of the loss of their recruits

(05-03-2011 12:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Why are you guys just salivating so much at the idea of UCF having problems? Furthermore, why is this in the expansion forum?

No, I think the question becomes, why are you guys so defensive? Admit responsibility and move on!

(05-03-2011 01:17 PM)coltcougar Wrote:  

(05-03-2011 12:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Why are you guys just salivating so much at the idea of UCF having problems? Furthermore, why is this in the expansion forum?

No, I think the question becomes, why are you guys so defensive? Admit responsibility and move on!

Admit responsibility for WHAT? UCF hasn't been found GUILTY of ANYTHING at this point in time. Why are we defensive? The tone of yours, and several others, posts come off as we've been found guilty of wrongdoing; not even close to the case.

Bottom line; Bender and Caldwell certainly come off as shady, but there is nothing out there that gives any indications that have received money from UCF or have paid money to the recruits in question on behalf of UCF. Guys like these are all over the place and almost every program out there has people outside of the employ/direct relationship to the University that "steer" recruits their way.

True. This is a pervasive problem throughout major college sports. College football, in particular, is big, big business. Gone are the days of student/athletes in Div IA football. Lots of people are cheating IMO. My problem is with selective enforcement of the NCAA rules. I hope the NCAA doesn't try to make UCF or Boise State an example, while continuing to run interference for the "name brand" BCS schools that we know are habitual violators.

(05-03-2011 01:17 PM)coltcougar Wrote:  No, I think the question becomes, why are you guys so defensive?

I'm just going to spitball here and see if it sticks, but I'm going to go with, "because we're being falsely accused by a smear campaign"

(05-03-2011 01:17 PM)coltcougar Wrote:  Admit responsibility and move on!

You're right... you're right... I admit that UCF is a program on the rise and that there are people out there telling recruits they should check us out.

You know what? You were right, I feel better having gotten that out.

(05-03-2011 11:28 AM)LLB53 Wrote:  It has become pretty public knowledge that the Forde and NYTimes stories both left out some very relevant details, (Caldwell's long-time relationship with UCF pg AJ Rompza, Caldwell's son attends UCF).

I don't know where you guys come up with this stuff but I read about everyone of those items (which you say were left out) from those very two articles.

(05-03-2011 01:31 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(05-03-2011 01:17 PM)coltcougar Wrote:  No, I think the question becomes, why are you guys so defensive?

I'm just going to spitball here and see if it sticks, but I'm going to go with, "because we're being falsely accused by a smear campaign"

(05-03-2011 01:17 PM)coltcougar Wrote:  Admit responsibility and move on!

You're right... you're right... I admit that UCF is a program on the rise and that there are people out there telling recruits they should check us out.

You know what? You were right, I feel better having gotten that out.

"Paranoid" No one has found you guilty of anything. "Hopeless"

I tend to think that conference call issue could be pretty easily investigated. I would think the phone company could pull the numbers of all the lines on that call. If one led back to UCF.....then I think it is pretty cut and dry.

(05-02-2011 09:13 PM)whitey Wrote:  

(05-02-2011 08:05 PM)dogma Wrote:  

(05-02-2011 07:17 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I'm just stating that the term "Major Infractions" doesn't mean what it sounds it means. It really should just be "Infractions", as there is really no legitimate difference in how they approach either one.

NCAA Bylaws:
Major infraction: A major infraction is any violation that is not considered secondary. Major infractions usually provide an extensive recruiting or competitive advantage. Alleged major infractions are investigated by enforcement staff and can lead to severe penalties against the school and involved individuals.

Secondary violation: A secondary violation is an isolated or inadvertent violation that provides or intends to provide only minimal recruiting, competitive or other advantages. Secondary violations do not include extra benefits or any significant recruiting benefits. If a school commits several secondary violations, they may collectively be considered a major infraction. Secondary violations occur frequently and are usually resolved administratively.

So... apparently there are legitimate differences.

Looks like it could be a Major to me. UCF fans sound just like UNC fans, we didn't do anything that everyone else doesn't do. Bull! This is really funny. I give credit to the UCF fans that realize this isn't good.

The ONLY reason the NCAA labeled UCF's infractions as "major" was because of the number of SECONDARY violations (phone calls and texts), by TWO low-level staffers.

And BTW, the NCAA has not even contacted UCF about the basketball allegations, let alone begun an investigation.

Orlando Sentinel: NCAA Has Not Contacted UCF

(05-03-2011 01:52 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(05-02-2011 09:13 PM)whitey Wrote:  

(05-02-2011 08:05 PM)dogma Wrote:  

(05-02-2011 07:17 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I'm just stating that the term "Major Infractions" doesn't mean what it sounds it means. It really should just be "Infractions", as there is really no legitimate difference in how they approach either one.

NCAA Bylaws:
Major infraction: A major infraction is any violation that is not considered secondary. Major infractions usually provide an extensive recruiting or competitive advantage. Alleged major infractions are investigated by enforcement staff and can lead to severe penalties against the school and involved individuals.

Secondary violation: A secondary violation is an isolated or inadvertent violation that provides or intends to provide only minimal recruiting, competitive or other advantages. Secondary violations do not include extra benefits or any significant recruiting benefits. If a school commits several secondary violations, they may collectively be considered a major infraction. Secondary violations occur frequently and are usually resolved administratively.

So... apparently there are legitimate differences.

Looks like it could be a Major to me. UCF fans sound just like UNC fans, we didn't do anything that everyone else doesn't do. Bull! This is really funny. I give credit to the UCF fans that realize this isn't good.

The ONLY reason the NCAA labeled UCF's infractions as "major" was because of the number of SECONDARY violations (phone calls and texts), by TWO low-level staffers.

And BTW, the NCAA has not even contacted UCF about the basketball allegations, let alone begun an investigation.
Orlando Sentinel: NCAA Has Not Contacted UCF

I think we all know that and expect that.....look how long the Reggie Bush investigation took.

But don't fool yourself.....they will eventually get around to it. However, by the time any penalties come out, I am sure all the characters involved will be long gone.....just how the NCAA likes it.....lay the wood to the innocent.

(05-03-2011 01:59 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(05-03-2011 01:52 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(05-02-2011 09:13 PM)whitey Wrote:  

(05-02-2011 08:05 PM)dogma Wrote:  

(05-02-2011 07:17 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I'm just stating that the term "Major Infractions" doesn't mean what it sounds it means. It really should just be "Infractions", as there is really no legitimate difference in how they approach either one.

NCAA Bylaws:
Major infraction: A major infraction is any violation that is not considered secondary. Major infractions usually provide an extensive recruiting or competitive advantage. Alleged major infractions are investigated by enforcement staff and can lead to severe penalties against the school and involved individuals.

Secondary violation: A secondary violation is an isolated or inadvertent violation that provides or intends to provide only minimal recruiting, competitive or other advantages. Secondary violations do not include extra benefits or any significant recruiting benefits. If a school commits several secondary violations, they may collectively be considered a major infraction. Secondary violations occur frequently and are usually resolved administratively.

So... apparently there are legitimate differences.

Looks like it could be a Major to me. UCF fans sound just like UNC fans, we didn't do anything that everyone else doesn't do. Bull! This is really funny. I give credit to the UCF fans that realize this isn't good.

The ONLY reason the NCAA labeled UCF's infractions as "major" was because of the number of SECONDARY violations (phone calls and texts), by TWO low-level staffers.

And BTW, the NCAA has not even contacted UCF about the basketball allegations, let alone begun an investigation.
Orlando Sentinel: NCAA Has Not Contacted UCF

I think we all know that and expect that.....look how long the Reggie Bush investigation took.

But don't fool yourself.....they will eventually get around to it. However, by the time any penalties come out, I am sure all the characters involved will be long gone.....just how the NCAA likes it.....lay the wood to the innocent.

That's the problem with this entire situation, it will probably get worse before it gets better.

(05-03-2011 01:52 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  And BTW, the NCAA has not even contacted UCF about the basketball allegations, let alone begun an investigation.

Maybe that has changed?

NCAA Contacts Central Florida's Athletics Compliance

Look like it has, it's being reported by the AP and they tend to know their stuff. Still waiting to see what, if anything, happens.

EDIT: It's unfortunate we're on probation for 'major infractions' right now as neither what the articles claims, nor what we got in trouble for with the 'major infractions' are that egregious of recruiting violations but we'll likely get hit hard if we get hit at all.

(05-03-2011 02:28 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(05-03-2011 01:52 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  And BTW, the NCAA has not even contacted UCF about the basketball allegations, let alone begun an investigation.

Maybe that has changed?

NCAA Contacts Central Florida's Athletics Compliance

Thanks for find this article! This puts the previous statement to rest.

(05-03-2011 02:28 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(05-03-2011 01:52 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  And BTW, the NCAA has not even contacted UCF about the basketball allegations, let alone begun an investigation.

Maybe that has changed?

NCAA Contacts Central Florida's Athletics Compliance

Thanks for finding this article! This puts the previous statement to rest.

(05-03-2011 02:31 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Look like it has, it's being reported by the AP and they tend to know their stuff. Still waiting to see what, if anything, happens.

EDIT: It's unfortunate we're on probation for 'major infractions' right now as neither what the articles claims, nor what we got in trouble for with the 'major infractions' are that egregious of recruiting violations but we'll likely get hit hard if we get hit at all.

They're cracking down hard on any perceived street agents being used. Guaranteed UCF will be on probation for major violations for at least 2 years, probably more.

The real question that comes into play is will there be a reduction in scholarships or a post-season ban. I'm guessing it'll be at least one of the two. If they find money was tossed around, it'll definitely be both.

Too bad this happened when Ohio State and USC were getting in trouble. They'll want to make an example of someone so they can try and claim they're tough on cheating.

The only issue is, they're going to have a real hard time with putting the moniker of 'street agent' on Caldwell. Despite what the first reports said, the guy has legitimate reasons for following and promoting UCF. He was our starting PG's AAU basketball coach for 8 years, came on his official visit with him, is a long-time friend to the Jordans, and his son goes to UCF. Now, if the phone call thing is true that could hurt but he's not the 'agent' people are making him out to be.

Unless of course he got paid then, well, I never wanted to be a basketball school anyways.

I heard the NCAA wants to talk to Seneca High Schools head football coach about UCF, Bender, Caldwell, DaMarcus Smith and his mother. Interesting, isn't it.

(05-03-2011 02:31 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Look like it has, it's being reported by the AP and they tend to know their stuff. Still waiting to see what, if anything, happens.

EDIT: It's unfortunate we're on probation for 'major infractions' right now as neither what the articles claims, nor what we got in trouble for with the 'major infractions' are that egregious of recruiting violations but we'll likely get hit hard if we get hit at all.

If you get hit at all is what I'm thinking. UNC is skating by on more than what is alleged by UCF. Not even sure anything is alleged at this point. IF UNC gets nothing (still awaiting) then I bet UCF will be fine.