(04-20-2011 03:45 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  It appears that when he changed his name from Barry Soetoro to BHO there is indication tied to the SS#, that some of his records were scrubbed in the time leading up to his Senate race. We may never get any answers, it seems Barry wants his legacy to be an FU enigma.

Of course he does. He'd much rather people talk about silly conspiracy theories than his actual performance.

Just like G.W. Bush was happy to let people talk about ridiculous 9/11 conspiracies.

(04-20-2011 03:45 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  It appears that when he changed his name from Barry Soetoro to BHO there is indication tied to the SS#, that some of his records were scrubbed in the time leading up to his Senate race. We may never get any answers, it seems Barry wants his legacy to be an FU enigma.

Any proof of this?

Or will you continue to make yourself look like a total fool.

And I'm still waiting for somebody on this site other than me to take you to task for this nonsense. Or is this site not the bastion of fact based discussion that liberals are not worthy of participation in, as the "esteemed" Dr Torch would have me believe?

(04-22-2011 08:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-20-2011 03:45 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  It appears that when he changed his name from Barry Soetoro to BHO there is indication tied to the SS#, that some of his records were scrubbed in the time leading up to his Senate race. We may never get any answers, it seems Barry wants his legacy to be an FU enigma.

Any proof of this?

Or will you continue to make yourself look like a total fool.

And I'm still waiting for somebody on this site other than me to take you to task for this nonsense. Or is this site not the bastion of fact based discussion that liberals are not worthy of participation in, as the "esteemed" Dr Torch would have me believe?

There is no proof. That is my opinion. I used the word "appears" and "enigma" for a reason SimpleTom. The money spent on your education was surely wasted, Now, Quit being a jackwagon.

Republicans blew this one big time. After Obama spoke at the 2004 dem convention, it was obvious that republicans were going to have to deal with him at some point. They should have gotten people out on the ground digging into all this stuff then. Unfortunately, republicans were too engrossed in their visceral hatred of the Clintons to pay attention to the real problems. Before Obama became the Messiah, it would probably have been a whole lot easier to get access. There's obviously a cover up in place now. I think the birth certificate is the wrong place to look, and I think Obama is perfectly happy to have people waste time there. If it ever gets to the point that he has no alternative, I am quite certain the he will simply produce the birth certificate and it will be game, set, match Obama.

I believe Obama is at his core a socialist, if not a communist. I get that from his known history, his books, his voting record in Springfield and Washington, his personal relationships with socialists/communists, the big picture. None of these things, per se, makes him a socialist/communist. But all of them point in that direction, and little or nothing points in the other direction. My best guess is that he left a paper trail somewhere along the way that would reveal this and make him anathema to many of those centrists that he convinced to vote for him in 2008. But if you can enforce a shroud of secrecy around the birth, and the childhood time spent in Indonesia, and Occidental, and Columbia, and Harvard, then it gets a lot harder to locate the problem. It would have been easier to find things out in 2004 than in 2008.

But the republicans blew it all over the place. They elected a strong congressional majority based on an issues campaign in 1994, got sidetracked on Monicagate, and have pretty much lost their way ever since.

Karl Rove's divide and conquer strategy is designed to win every election 50.1-49.9, and with the majority of Americans with them on issues, that's not what they needed to be doing in 2000. If they'd run the campaign right, it would never have come down to hanging chad in Florida. Putting Dick Cheney on the ticket was a mistake, and keeping him there in 2004 was a bigger mistake. 2000 should have been someone that could help win some state not named Wyoming (Christine Whitman would have been my choice) and 2004 should have been about positioning a possible successor. Letting Rummy and the neocons get us into wars we didn't intend to win was another mistake. As for 2008, once McCain put his foot in his mouth on the economy and fell for TARP, it should have been obvious he had no chance against the Messiah, and republican efforts should have focused on holding a couple more senate seats. Once Ted Stevens's legal problems surfaced, it would probably have made sense to get him off the ballot--Palin would have been the obvious choice. She would not then have been able to be the VP candidate, but Pawlenty on the ticket might have pulled out a few more republicans in Minnesota and spared us Al Franken. Republicans had to know on some level that the Shrub hangover effect was going to doom their presidential ticket, and every move after 2006 should have been made with the objective of minimizing the damage in congress.

Republicans are incompetent. Worse, they're the only thing standing between us and socialism/communism. Yuck.

(04-22-2011 09:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans blew this one big time. After Obama spoke at the 2004 dem convention, it was obvious that republicans were going to have to deal with him at some point. They should have gotten people out on the ground digging into all this stuff then. Unfortunately, republicans were too engrossed in their visceral hatred of the Clintons to pay attention to the real problems. Before Obama became the Messiah, it would probably have been a whole lot easier to get access. There's obviously a cover up in place now. I think the birth certificate is the wrong place to look, and I think Obama is perfectly happy to have people waste time there. If it ever gets to the point that he has no alternative, I am quite certain the he will simply produce the birth certificate and it will be game, set, match Obama.

Republicans are incompetent. Worse, they're the only thing standing between us and socialism/communism. Yuck.

Never once in 10,000 years would most Republicans expect to face a Candidate in a Presidential Election who four years earlier was a relatively unknown State Senator from the South Side of Chicago with a practically non-existent Legislative Record and a Voting Record that consists of him voting "Present" most of the time.

They expected Hillary to squash this lightweight. And most Republicans thought the first Black President would be Colin Powell, and not some carefully laundered Marxist.

(04-22-2011 10:41 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(04-22-2011 09:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans blew this one big time. After Obama spoke at the 2004 dem convention, it was obvious that republicans were going to have to deal with him at some point. They should have gotten people out on the ground digging into all this stuff then. Unfortunately, republicans were too engrossed in their visceral hatred of the Clintons to pay attention to the real problems. Before Obama became the Messiah, it would probably have been a whole lot easier to get access. There's obviously a cover up in place now. I think the birth certificate is the wrong place to look, and I think Obama is perfectly happy to have people waste time there. If it ever gets to the point that he has no alternative, I am quite certain the he will simply produce the birth certificate and it will be game, set, match Obama.
Republicans are incompetent. Worse, they're the only thing standing between us and socialism/communism. Yuck.

Never once in 10,000 years would most Republicans expect to face a Candidate in a Presidential Election who four years earlier was a relatively unknown State Senator from the South Side of Chicago with a practically non-existent Legislative Record and a Voting Record that consists of him voting "Present" most of the time.
They expected Hillary to squash this lightweight. And most Republicans thought the first Black President would be Colin Powell, and not some carefully laundered Marxist.

After the 2004 convention speech, I knew he was a threat. And if I knew it, then they should have too. Somebody should have at least said, "Hey, we need to check this guy out." Given the number of questionable things about him, surely they'd have found something if they had gone to work sooner. He was not vetted, and I blame republicans as much as anyone for that.

I think republican visceral hatred for all things Clinton caused them to overlook anybody but Hillary. And that has bitten them--and the USA--squarely in the @$$. I know several republicans who crossed over for the sole purpose of voting against Hillary in the primary. All of them regret it now. If I know several (and probably more who are ashamed to admit it), how many are there nationwide?

(04-22-2011 09:33 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(04-22-2011 08:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-20-2011 03:45 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  It appears that when he changed his name from Barry Soetoro to BHO there is indication tied to the SS#, that some of his records were scrubbed in the time leading up to his Senate race. We may never get any answers, it seems Barry wants his legacy to be an FU enigma.

Any proof of this?

Or will you continue to make yourself look like a total fool.

And I'm still waiting for somebody on this site other than me to take you to task for this nonsense. Or is this site not the bastion of fact based discussion that liberals are not worthy of participation in, as the "esteemed" Dr Torch would have me believe?

There is no proof. That is my opinion. I used the word "appears" and "enigma" for a reason SimpleTom. The money spent on your education was surely wasted, Now, Quit being a jackwagon.

You're an idiot. Go back and read your post again. NOWHERE did you say that he appeared to change his name. You said "when he changed his name".

Regardless, you obviously believe this garbage which makes you a total fool. The Soetoro name BS on the Occidental College records was an April FOOLS Joke (Appropriately...LOL). He has one Social Security number and always has, and you don't declare a religion on a freaking college application!

Yes, Redwingtom. You did put your religion on your college applications back in the 70's. It was on my application to Memphis State or on my scholarship application. I don't remember which, but it was on there.

(04-22-2011 10:41 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(04-22-2011 09:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans blew this one big time. After Obama spoke at the 2004 dem convention, it was obvious that republicans were going to have to deal with him at some point. They should have gotten people out on the ground digging into all this stuff then. Unfortunately, republicans were too engrossed in their visceral hatred of the Clintons to pay attention to the real problems. Before Obama became the Messiah, it would probably have been a whole lot easier to get access. There's obviously a cover up in place now. I think the birth certificate is the wrong place to look, and I think Obama is perfectly happy to have people waste time there. If it ever gets to the point that he has no alternative, I am quite certain the he will simply produce the birth certificate and it will be game, set, match Obama.

Republicans are incompetent. Worse, they're the only thing standing between us and socialism/communism. Yuck.

Never once in 10,000 years would most Republicans expect to face a Candidate in a Presidential Election who four years earlier was a relatively unknown State Senator from the South Side of Chicago with a practically non-existent Legislative Record and a Voting Record that consists of him voting "Present" most of the time.

They expected Hillary to squash this lightweight. And most Republicans thought the first Black President would be Colin Powell, and not some carefully laundered Marxist.

Taking Obama down was something that the old guard Democrats should be able to do.

Anyway, why did Barry change his name? This happened after he graduated from college. Does anybody know?

I believe he changed his name (at least what people called him) from Barry to Barack, but he was always known as Obama. The only time Soetoro was used that I have seen was something his stepfather wrote for his school in Indonesia when he was a kid.

There was never a formal name change.

And even if he did list a religion on his application back in the 1970's, IT DOES NOT MATTER! We have no religious test to become president and I doubt anybody wants one. Also, people change their religious affiliation from time to time anyway so what would it matter except to the loons?

But I am sure the discredited dullard Jerome Corsi will give us all the facts...for a mere $15.

Gary Hart changed his name sometime after college (just prior to Law School... go figure). That caused a minor kerfuffle, but is irrelevant in the end. I'd have no problem if Obama changed his name for whatever reason... it's certainly understandable that he may wish to change that once he reached adulthood.

(04-22-2011 09:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans blew this one big time. After Obama spoke at the 2004 dem convention, it was obvious that republicans were going to have to deal with him at some point. They should have gotten people out on the ground digging into all this stuff then.

Spot on again.

(04-22-2011 09:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Karl Rove's divide and conquer strategy is designed to win every election 50.1-49.9, and with the majority of Americans with them on issues, that's not what they needed to be doing in 2000. If they'd run the campaign right, it would never have come down to hanging chad in Florida. Putting Dick Cheney on the ticket was a mistake, and keeping him there in 2004 was a bigger mistake. 2000 should have been someone that could help win some state not named Wyoming (Christine Whitman would have been my choice) and 2004 should have been about positioning a possible successor.

I think you underestimate how much substance Cheney put on the ticket back in 2000. Bush-Whitman would have been a pretty lightweight ticket running against a sitting VP from a pretty popular and successful administration, irrespective of comparisons to the 2008 tickets of both parties. McCain was the other logical choice, IIRC ... I'm not sure what other choices may have been better. Changing in 2004 would have meant admitting a mistake, which was anathema to Bush at the time (but you're probably right that it should've been done).

(04-22-2011 03:06 PM)I45owl Wrote:  I think you underestimate how much substance Cheney put on the ticket back in 2000.

If he added anything then you are right, I underestimate him. I've really never seen any analysis suggesting that he added anything. Interesting that you have a different perspective.

(04-22-2011 11:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-22-2011 09:33 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(04-22-2011 08:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-20-2011 03:45 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  It appears that when he changed his name from Barry Soetoro to BHO there is indication tied to the SS#, that some of his records were scrubbed in the time leading up to his Senate race. We may never get any answers, it seems Barry wants his legacy to be an FU enigma.

Any proof of this?

Or will you continue to make yourself look like a total fool.

And I'm still waiting for somebody on this site other than me to take you to task for this nonsense. Or is this site not the bastion of fact based discussion that liberals are not worthy of participation in, as the "esteemed" Dr Torch would have me believe?

There is no proof. That is my opinion. I used the word "appears" and "enigma" for a reason SimpleTom. The money spent on your education was surely wasted, Now, Quit being a jackwagon.

You're an idiot. Go back and read your post again. NOWHERE did you say that he appeared to change his name. You said "when he changed his name".

Regardless, you obviously believe this garbage which makes you a total fool. The Soetoro name BS on the Occidental College records was an April FOOLS Joke (Appropriately...LOL). He has one Social Security number and always has, and you don't declare a religion on a freaking college application!

SimpleTom, you need to slow your roll, relax, breath deep, take your meds, reread, take another comprehension class, learn the meaning of "appears" and "enigma" in the context I used it and then STFU.

(04-22-2011 01:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And even if he did list a religion on his application back in the 1970's, IT DOES NOT MATTER! We have no religious test to become president and I doubt anybody wants one. Also, people change their religious affiliation from time to time anyway so what would it matter except to the loons?

But I am sure the discredited dullard Jerome Corsi will give us all the facts...for a mere $15.

Tom are you not the least bit curious why Obama would spend so much money to hide any documentation about his past? From the birth certificate to his college writings? Do you at least acknowledge if a republican did the same 1) you would be suspicious of them and 2) the media would hound the issue night and day?

I don't believe he won't release the certificate because he wasn't born here. I think most likely it lists his religion as Muslim and he doesn't want to deal with it. His college writings are what I'd be more interested in. I'm sure they are far more damning. Which is why he has fought so hard and paid so much to keep them sealed.

(04-22-2011 01:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And even if he did list a religion on his application back in the 1970's, IT DOES NOT MATTER! We have no religious test to become president and I doubt anybody wants one. Also, people change their religious affiliation from time to time anyway so what would it matter except to the loons?

The left ALWAYS make a federal case of someones religious affiliation on the right. But despite that almost all Democrat candidate and office holders also claim to be church goers, we get "IT DOES NOT MATTER!".

(04-23-2011 09:18 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-22-2011 01:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And even if he did list a religion on his application back in the 1970's, IT DOES NOT MATTER! We have no religious test to become president and I doubt anybody wants one. Also, people change their religious affiliation from time to time anyway so what would it matter except to the loons?

The left ALWAYS make a federal case of someones religious affiliation on the right. But despite that almost all Democrat candidate and office holders also claim to be church goers, we get "IT DOES NOT MATTER!".

Dang it!!! I swatted my monitor when I saw the bug in your signature.

(04-23-2011 05:15 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Tom are you not the least bit curious why Obama would spend so much money to hide any documentation about his past? From the birth certificate to his college writings? Do you at least acknowledge if a republican did the same 1) you would be suspicious of them and 2) the media would hound the issue night and day?
I don't believe he won't release the certificate because he wasn't born here. I think most likely it lists his religion as Muslim and he doesn't want to deal with it. His college writings are what I'd be more interested in. I'm sure they are far more damning. Which is why he has fought so hard and paid so much to keep them sealed.

This.

Except I don't even want to speculate about the birth certificate because that's the side show.

The man was simply not vetted. How can anyone claim he was adequately vetted when his college and law school records are sealed and he has maintained a number of long-term relationships with highly questionable people and has never been questioned fully about any of them?

It is obvious that for some reason Obama does not want information from his past being circulated, and is willing to go to great lengths to prevent that from happening. Speculating about what the specific information might be only makes you looks foolish if your guess turns out to be wrong. The last president to try this hard to suppress information was Richard Nixon, who told us he wasn't a crook, but that didn't make him not be a crook.

There's simply too much smoke for there not to be a raging fire somewhere.

Conservatives are bat$hit crazy. And they get worse every year.

Keep this up and the moderates will throw all your candidates out in 2012.

(04-23-2011 11:00 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Conservatives are bat$hit crazy.

This from a person who supports the extreme radical agenda of the Liberal Left.

Mendaciousness at it's finest.

Look boys and girls. SumofAllRetards bought a dictionary. Unfortunately, he only looked up one new word. It hurt his head, so he doesn't do it any more.